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Why?

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Because if you're a Christian you should know who runs the world (for the time being) and how he operates. If you're not, this conversation will go nowhere and I won't bother with further comments.

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure satan's dominion refers more to man's fallen nature and see sin more so than Kanye West's personal endeavors. You can make the claim that the people surrounding him have mistreated him out of personal greed, but that's not the claim that's being pursued here.

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I see. I used to agree with this way of looking at things but no longer do. Its quite obvious there are "shadowy cabals" pushing agendas (they talk about their plans on youtube).

Owning and controlling mainstream culture is one of the most powerful methods of control anybody could have. Politics is downstream from culture. If one owns the culture they own the politics. Thus, the "celebrities" are given handlers to dictate what they say or they lose their special privileges.

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So who is the handler? Who is arranging this? And how is everyone on his client list ignorant to this operation except for Kanye?

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Sounds like competition for the church of Scientology.

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Kvetch said:

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Pookers said:

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Kvetch said:

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Why?

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Because if you're a Christian you should know who runs the world (for the time being) and how he operates. If you're not, this conversation will go nowhere and I won't bother with further comments.

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure satan's dominion refers more to man's fallen nature and see sin more so than Kanye West's personal endeavors. You can make the claim that the people surrounding him have mistreated him out of personal greed, but that's not the claim that's being pursued here.

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I see. I used to agree with this way of looking at things but no longer do. Its quite obvious there are "shadowy cabals" pushing agendas (they talk about their plans on youtube).

Owning and controlling mainstream culture is one of the most powerful methods of control anybody could have. Politics is downstream from culture. If one owns the culture they own the politics.

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Ok, so where is their vested interest in driving Kanye insane and getting him committed? If by cabal, you mean entities like the WEF, then sure. But they are explicit about their intent and don't necessarily hide their motivations. The idea being presented here is not like that and makes absolutely no sense when you try to scrutinize it beyond the face value claim that there is an interest in controlling the culture.

The claim surround the specific Kanye issues has related to the Jews, so are you positing that the Jews are trying to subvert our culture?

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Pookers said:

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Kvetch said:

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Why?

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Because if you're a Christian you should know who runs the world (for the time being) and how he operates. If you're not, this conversation will go nowhere and I won't bother with further comments.

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure satan's dominion refers more to man's fallen nature and see sin more so than Kanye West's personal endeavors. You can make the claim that the people surrounding him have mistreated him out of personal greed, but that's not the claim that's being pursued here.

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I see. I used to agree with this way of looking at things but no longer do. Its quite obvious there are "shadowy cabals" pushing agendas (they talk about their plans on youtube).

Owning and controlling mainstream culture is one of the most powerful methods of control anybody could have. Politics is downstream from culture. If one owns the culture they own the politics.

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Ok, so where is their vested interest in driving Kanye insane and getting him committed? If by cabal, you mean entities like the WEF, then sure. But they are explicit about their intent and don't necessarily hide their motivations. The idea being presented here is not like that and makes absolutely no sense when you try to scrutinize it beyond the face value claim that there is an interest in controlling the culture.

The claim surround the specific Kanye issues has related to the Jews, so are you positing that the Jews are trying to subvert our culture?

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Ahh, I see. Shutting conversation down with an anti semitism claim when that wasn't even mentioned.

I happen to think Satan himself runs hollywood with minions of various backgrounds. So no, not "da joos" as you are trying to reduce the conversation into.

If these guys are drugging their clients to keep them under control, its likely being done for no other purpose than the age old motivation of... greed.

Watch the Elvis movie or essentially any story of a huge mega star and their entourages. The folks around them feed maniacally at the fame and fortune of the "host" they attach do and only look our for their well-being to the extent it furthers the money train.

So what is the motivation to keep Ye on drugs... to keep him from running his mouth and decreasing his value / brand, thereby decreasing and potentially eliminating their paycheck.

You don't need a conspiracy theory. You need to understand the insane greed that infects many, many folks.

I'm not shutting anything down. I'm asking if that's the implication? Nobody seems to want to answer the central question of who is pulling the strings. I've asked multiple times and nobody has even attempted a straight answer.

Can you answer the question?

Know what the Greek word was for dark magic/sorcery in the New Testament? "Pharmakeia". DRUGS.

It's one of the most easy and time tested ways to lead someone astray/suck their soul out/control them. It's used on many sex slaves who would never consider seeking a better life because they NEED that next fix.

If Mac Miller was a client of this guy, that is a huge red flag. That dude was on an insane amount of powerful pills (RIP). Almost killed Eminem too, and now he's clean and rapping about Jesus being his savior.

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If these guys are drugging their clients to keep them under control, its likely being done for no other purpose than the age old motivation of... greed.

Watch the Elvis movie or essentially any story of a huge mega star and their entourages. The folks around them feed maniacally at the fame and fortune of the "host" they attach do and only look our for their well-being to the extent it furthers the money train.

So what is the motivation to keep Ye on drugs... to keep him from running his mouth and decreasing his value / brand, thereby decreasing and potentially eliminating their paycheck.

You don't need a conspiracy theory. You need to understand the insane greed that infects many, many folks.

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Exactly.

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I'm not shutting anything down. I'm asking if that's the implication? Nobody seems to want to answer the central question of who is pulling the strings. I've asked multiple times and nobody has even attempted a straight answer.

Can you answer the question?

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I did, Satan runs hollywood (one among many institutions he controls) with his earthly servitors.

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I'm not shutting anything down. I'm asking if that's the implication? Nobody seems to want to answer the central question of who is pulling the strings. I've asked multiple times and nobody has even attempted a straight answer.

Can you answer the question?

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I did, Satan runs hollywood (one among many institutions he controls) with his earthly servitors.

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Any institution subject to man is infected with sin. It's a fact of living in this world. That does not prove what the OP is trying to claim.

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I'm not shutting anything down. I'm asking if that's the implication? Nobody seems to want to answer the central question of who is pulling the strings. I've asked multiple times and nobody has even attempted a straight answer.

Can you answer the question?

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I did, Satan runs hollywood (one among many institutions he controls) with his earthly servitors.

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Any institution subject to man is infected with sin. It's a fact of living in this world. That does not prove what the OP is trying to claim.

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Being infected with sin is not equal to direct influence from the devil. He is an active, malevolent, and living being on this planet carrying out his plans. This much is stated clearly in the Bible.

Your assertion that the OP is wrong may very well be correct. However, to pretend such things are not possible is a stretch.

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Yeah, blackmail is the simplest solution. What does that have to do with Kanye? Is he threading to uncover a pedophile ring?

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He has an audience of millions if not tens of millions. More importantly that audience is extremely influential (so huge value). There is money/cultural influence at play with an artist of this magnitude.

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Pookers said:

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I'm not shutting anything down. I'm asking if that's the implication? Nobody seems to want to answer the central question of who is pulling the strings. I've asked multiple times and nobody has even attempted a straight answer.

Can you answer the question?

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I did, Satan runs hollywood (one among many institutions he controls) with his earthly servitors.

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Any institution subject to man is infected with sin. It's a fact of living in this world. That does not prove what the OP is trying to claim.

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Being infected with sin is not equal to direct influence from the devil. He is an active, malevolent, and living being on this planet carrying out his plans. This much is stated clearly in the Bible.

Your assertion that the OP is wrong may very well be correct. However, to pretend such things are not possible is a stretch.

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I'm not pretending Satanic influence is not possible. I'm talking about this specific case and the scope of what is being claimed.

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I'm not shutting anything down. I'm asking if that's the implication? Nobody seems to want to answer the central question of who is pulling the strings. I've asked multiple times and nobody has even attempted a straight answer.

Can you answer the question?

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Is it plausible that who or what group is "pulling the strings" is not something that is capable of being known currently

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I'm not shutting anything down. I'm asking if that's the implication? Nobody seems to want to answer the central question of who is pulling the strings. I've asked multiple times and nobody has even attempted a straight answer.

Can you answer the question?

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Is it plausible that who or what group is "pulling the strings" is not something that is capable of being known currently

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No. It is not plausible.

Who orchestrated the vaccine narrative across the world? If you can't assign a single person or organization does that mean it is a conspiracy theory that the vaccine mandate push wasn't an orchestrated event?

Not comparable situations. The vaccine issue became a fight between various entrenched political factions. Those factions are not disguised and it was fairly obvious to follow the entire time. No such dynamic exists here.

This is a person with obvious mental health issues and people are making the claim that he was intentionally driven insane to get him medicated and under control. And that this happens on a broad scale in Hollywood with no semblance of an answer to the question of who is orchestrating it.

It's a garbage theory. Just because things COULD theoretically happen doesn't mean they are. Y'all are hitching your wagon to the wrong cart here. This one is for the tin foil hats.

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So who is the handler? Who is arranging this? And how is everyone on his client list ignorant to this operation except for Kanye?

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Sounds like competition for the church of Scientology.

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The ones behind this are the originals. Scientology is nothing in comparison. This one goes back to the origins of humanity. Satan has been in the background, always working, always scheming.

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Know what the Greek word was for dark magic/sorcery in the New Testament? "Pharmakeia". DRUGS.

It's one of the most easy and time tested ways to lead someone astray/suck their soul out/control them. It's used on many sex slaves who would never consider seeking a better life because they NEED that next fix.

If Mac Miller was a client of this guy, that is a huge red flag. That dude was on an insane amount of powerful pills (RIP). Almost killed Eminem too, and now he's clean and rapping about Jesus being his savior.

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He was his client.

We aren't saying this is 100% true. We are saying there is smoke so there might be a fire worth looking into. Just because a firefighter comes by and says oh no fire here (removing Wikipedia information) makes it MORE suspicious not less. Immediately being dismissive is being naive. That is what we are saying.

Fair enough. From my perspective, there's no smoke here. At least not without evidence that's a LOT more compelling.

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I don't think the tin foil is working correctly.

Anybody who what's watched Kanye talk over the last couple weeks can see that there's something not right. Stop trying to make him some sort of innocent victim of some nefarious plot. It's ridiculous.

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Good thing drugs have never fried anyone's brain or changed who they once were or how they behave.

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Fair enough. From my perspective, there's no smoke here. At least not without evidence that's a LOT more compelling.

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Why would the dude scrub ANYTHING from the internet then?

Britney Spears went through the same thing - her "handler" was drugging her.

Who said it was him? And if it was, how about because Kanye West tweeted out an out of context text message from you and you know that people on the internet are going to develop conspiracy theories that accuse you of being a bad actor. Seems like a reasonable assumption based on where we are now.

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Who said it was him? And if it was, how about because Kanye West tweeted out an out of context text message from you and you know that people on the internet are going to develop conspiracy theories that accuse you of being a bad actor. Seems like a reasonable assumption based on where we are now.

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This sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

(Really just trying keep things lighthearted)

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Britney Spears went through the same thing - her "handler" was drugging her.

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You mean the girl who had a public mental breakdown and has proven since the end of her conservatorship that she is certifiably insane? That's your proof?

I agree that she's been exploited throughout her life, but come on. Why don't we talk about the vast majority of these Hollywood elites that don't end up like Kanye or Britney. Even the conservative ones.

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Who said it was him? And if it was, how about because Kanye West tweeted out an out of context text message from you and you know that people on the internet are going to develop conspiracy theories that accuse you of being a bad actor. Seems like a reasonable assumption based on where we are now.

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This sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

(Really just trying keep things lighthearted)

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Well it is. I have no proof of it whatsoever. Pure hearsay and conjecture based on very limited facts. Just like the OP.

But it makes sense. So I guess there's smoke.

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Britney Spears went through the same thing - her "handler" was drugging her.

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You mean the girl who had a public mental breakdown and has proven since the end of her conservatorship that she is certifiably insane? That's your proof?

I agree that she's been exploited throughout her life, but come on. Why don't we talk about the vast majority of these Hollywood elites that don't end up like Kanye or Britney. Even the conservative ones.

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Can you concede that, if a real text and not completely doctored, it's pretty hardcore to threaten to drug and institutionalize someone "back to zombieland"? What a f-ing psycho. Hope he loses everything if that is true.

Only a true POS and absolute fraud of a person would say this….

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Britney Spears went through the same thing - her "handler" was drugging her.

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You mean the girl who had a public mental breakdown and has proven since the end of her conservatorship that she is certifiably insane? That's your proof?

I agree that she's been exploited throughout her life, but come on. Why don't we talk about the vast majority of these Hollywood elites that don't end up like Kanye or Britney. Even the conservative ones.

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Can you concede that, if a real text and not completely doctored, it's pretty hardcore to threaten to drug and institutionalize someone "back to zombieland"? What a f-ing psycho. Hope he loses everything if that is true.

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Yeah. I agree that it's a terrible thing to threaten. But I have absolutely no context and people say terrible things when they're mad at each other. So unless Kanye is prepared to release all of their communications and expound on the nature of their relationship, one text means absolutely nothing.

You could take plenty of my texts out of context and frame me as a terrible person.

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Britney Spears went through the same thing - her "handler" was drugging her.

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You mean the girl who had a public mental breakdown and has proven since the end of her conservatorship that she is certifiably insane? That's your proof?

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Good thing drugs have never fried anyone's brain or changed who they once were or how they behave.

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Who said it was him? And if it was, how about because Kanye West tweeted out an out of context text message from you and you know that people on the internet are going to develop conspiracy theories that accuse you of being a bad actor. Seems like a reasonable assumption based on where we are now.

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This sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

(Really just trying keep things lighthearted)

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Well it is. I have no proof of it whatsoever. Pure hearsay and conjecture based on very limited facts. Just like the OP.

But it makes sense. So I guess there's smoke.

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How is it conjecture or heresay that the guy was involved with MKULTRA military psychological operations? We have actual documentation he did this and he spoke openly about it.

Is this someone you would trust to be a personal trainer? You're straight up denying actual data.

The conjecture and heresay is that he was drugging Kanye, but we know he had Kanye committed before in 2016 so we have past information of him doing exactly what he said he would do in the text.

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Yeah, blackmail is the simplest solution. What does that have to do with Kanye? Is he threading to uncover a pedophile ring?

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Assuming the tweet is true, the alleged Canadian psy op guy was clearly over the line.

He didn't hit Kanye up just to lob a threat at him out of the blue. I'd be curious what profane laden tirade from Kanye preceded the ultimatum from the mystery man.

Presumably Kanye was threatening him, since that's pretty much what he's been doing to a litany of folks non-stop these days.

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Who said it was him? And if it was, how about because Kanye West tweeted out an out of context text message from you and you know that people on the internet are going to develop conspiracy theories that accuse you of being a bad actor. Seems like a reasonable assumption based on where we are now.

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This sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

(Really just trying keep things lighthearted)

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Well it is. I have no proof of it whatsoever. Pure hearsay and conjecture based on very limited facts. Just like the OP.

But it makes sense. So I guess there's smoke.

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How is it conjecture or heresay that the guy was involved with MKULTRA military psychological operations? We have actual documentation he did this and he spoke openly about it.

Is this someone you would trust to be a personal trainer? You're straight up denying actual data.

The conjecture and heresay is that he was drugging Kanye, but we know he had Kanye committed before in 2016 so we have past information of him doing exactly what he said he would do in the text.

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And you have proof that he is using his training to commit voodoo psy-ops on all of Hollywood? Or that he's altering bi-polar medication to something that is specifically tailored to keep Kanye in line while retaining his creative and performative abilities?

I'm guessing you don't know anyone who's ever been institutionalized. 100% of the time, they claim that there's no reason for it and it's against their will. Because people that are sick typically cannot tell that they are sick and reject the help of those around them.

I don't know anything about this guy, and quite frankly neither do any of you. You don't know the extent of any training he may or may not have had. You don't know the manner I'm which he came into his current profession. You don't know what role he's had in Kanye's mental health treatment.

You're latching on to a few cherry picked facts and constructing a narrative that flies in the face of the obvious answer. Could this guy be exploiting Kanye? Sure, anything's possible. Is this guy some hired gun in charge of mind-controlling Hollywood stars in an operation to control the cultural narrative? Give me a break….

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Remember not that long ago with T Swift was complaining that she couldn't buy her own music rights. It was sold from some rich guy to another one. Why do that outside of control?

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If you look deep enough it all comes back to Bieber. Scooter Braun was Bieber's manager who bought the rights to Swift's music from her former label - Big Machine Label Group - and sold it for profit rather than just pass it back to the Swift.

Manziel's fall - also Bieber.