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OldArmy71 said:

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I am always suspicious of these accusations of racism, but as I have thought about it over the years, I think there is some truth to it. I lived in several towns in Texas and Louisiana during the 50s and 60s, and all the pools were Whites Only. If your parents and grandparents never learned….

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Many recruits had never even touched rifles growing up, yet some of those kids outscored those who shot their whole lives. It was because they didn't carry over old bad habits and applied what they were taught by instructors.

Why did the same never occur in the pool?

Now I'm just racking my brain over all this.

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Requires a a lot less coordination when shooting a rifle. Another thing is you can't drown from shooting a rifle even if you don't know how to shoot.

Way back then I'm sure it was difficult to gain access to a pool for minorities which is 100% horrible. In the last 30-40 years though it's called good parenting. Make sure your children can swim so they don't drown someday. Typically it is up to mothers to make sure lessons are taken at some point.

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WestTexAg12 said:

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OldArmy71 said:

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I am always suspicious of these accusations of racism, but as I have thought about it over the years, I think there is some truth to it. I lived in several towns in Texas and Louisiana during the 50s and 60s, and all the pools were Whites Only. If your parents and grandparents never learned….

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Many recruits had never even touched rifles growing up, yet some of those kids outscored those who shot their whole lives. It was because they didn't carry over old bad habits and applied what they were taught by instructors.

Why did the same never occur in the pool?

Now I'm just racking my brain over all this.

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The failure of the 25 yard swim is likely due to fear. Because of the fear aspect the order shouldn't be to see if a recruit takes the test fails and then gets lessons. Recruits should be able to select lessons FIRST or take the test. I bet you don't hand someone a rifle and say go shoot at that target. Oh you failed now we are going to show you how to do it. I bet you give them lessons on handling and shooting the gun THEN you give them the gun.

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How deep do you think the water is where they do the 25yd swim?

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WestTexAg12 said:

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OldArmy71 said:

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I am always suspicious of these accusations of racism, but as I have thought about it over the years, I think there is some truth to it. I lived in several towns in Texas and Louisiana during the 50s and 60s, and all the pools were Whites Only. If your parents and grandparents never learned….

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Many recruits had never even touched rifles growing up, yet some of those kids outscored those who shot their whole lives. It was because they didn't carry over old bad habits and applied what they were taught by instructors.

Why did the same never occur in the pool?

Now I'm just racking my brain over all this.

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Requires a a lot less coordination when shooting a rifle. Another thing is you can't drown from shooting a rifle even if you don't know how to shoot.

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What? Not even close.

Iron sucks are taught to float on their back, use explosive breathing, bicycle kick, and keep their arms to the side.

Not much coordination there

WestTexAg12 said:

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akm91 said:

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WestTexAg12 said:

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OldArmy71 said:

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I am always suspicious of these accusations of racism, but as I have thought about it over the years, I think there is some truth to it. I lived in several towns in Texas and Louisiana during the 50s and 60s, and all the pools were Whites Only. If your parents and grandparents never learned….

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Many recruits had never even touched rifles growing up, yet some of those kids outscored those who shot their whole lives. It was because they didn't carry over old bad habits and applied what they were taught by instructors.

Why did the same never occur in the pool?

Now I'm just racking my brain over all this.

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Requires a a lot less coordination when shooting a rifle. Another thing is you can't drown from shooting a rifle even if you don't know how to shoot.

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What? Not even close.

Iron sucks are taught to float on their back, use explosive breathing, bicycle kick, and keep their arms to the side.

Not much coordination there

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That's just wrong. Requires little to no coordination to fire a rifle.

Babies have survival instincts throw a six month old into water (with an adult nearby of course) they will kick and move their arms to resurface.

About the only swimming lesson I remember having was my grandmother sitting on the dock drinking a gin and Fresca telling me "kick, baby, kick." So I was swimming without a life preserver when I was three. And the old life preservers for little kids back then were so constrictive they actually hampered the ability to move arms and kick. Sure as hell couldn't roll over on your stomach to try to do a dog paddle or freestyle. You were Mae West.

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texagbeliever said:

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WestTexAg12 said:

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OldArmy71 said:

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I am always suspicious of these accusations of racism, but as I have thought about it over the years, I think there is some truth to it. I lived in several towns in Texas and Louisiana during the 50s and 60s, and all the pools were Whites Only. If your parents and grandparents never learned….

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Many recruits had never even touched rifles growing up, yet some of those kids outscored those who shot their whole lives. It was because they didn't carry over old bad habits and applied what they were taught by instructors.

Why did the same never occur in the pool?

Now I'm just racking my brain over all this.

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The failure of the 25 yard swim is likely due to fear. Because of the fear aspect the order shouldn't be to see if a recruit takes the test fails and then gets lessons. Recruits should be able to select lessons FIRST or take the test. I bet you don't hand someone a rifle and say go shoot at that target. Oh you failed now we are going to show you how to do it. I bet you give them lessons on handling and shooting the gun THEN you give them the gun.

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How deep do you think the water is where they do the 25yd swim?

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You seem to be confusing fear with danger. Fear is often irrational and is solidified by negative (failure) experiences.

Whos Line is it Anyway classic, wait for it 40 seconds in

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how long until a white male breathing is considered racists.

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I say this in jest, but I am just waiting until there is an outcry to cut down on cycling because it is racist/too white, which grows into a real/big movement.

The tired 'race card' could substantially redeem itself in my mind, if we can somehow take down (by social pressure, not violently) idiots (who happen to be disproportionately white) cycling on the road in the suburbs.

Damn, somehow I feel proud of myself for being PC on this post.

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WestTexAg12 said:

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akm91 said:

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WestTexAg12 said:

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OldArmy71 said:

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I am always suspicious of these accusations of racism, but as I have thought about it over the years, I think there is some truth to it. I lived in several towns in Texas and Louisiana during the 50s and 60s, and all the pools were Whites Only. If your parents and grandparents never learned….

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Many recruits had never even touched rifles growing up, yet some of those kids outscored those who shot their whole lives. It was because they didn't carry over old bad habits and applied what they were taught by instructors.

Why did the same never occur in the pool?

Now I'm just racking my brain over all this.

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Requires a a lot less coordination when shooting a rifle. Another thing is you can't drown from shooting a rifle even if you don't know how to shoot.

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What? Not even close.

Iron sucks are taught to float on their back, use explosive breathing, bicycle kick, and keep their arms to the side.

Not much coordination there

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That's just wrong. Requires little to no coordination to fire a rifle.

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To fire, sure.

To fire accurately in a time limit from standing, kneeling, sitting, prone with different methods of holding and applying the fundamentals of marksmanship (aiming, stability of hold, breath control, trigger control and follow through) with wind and other elements (heat, rain, cold) affecting you…yes it does.

The word "racist" has lost all meaning. Which means we can finally move on.

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The word "racist" has lost all meaning. Which means we can finally move on.

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This is absolute garbage. Body structure and anatomy? Jeez.

This problem with blacks and swimming has everything to do with accessibility and experience. Having a swimming pool at one's home has historically been a luxury that lower income families simply could not afford. Most people are introduced to swimming early in life through public neighborhood pools and/or country clubs. Both of which have simply not been as prevalent in black communities. As such, older generations of black Americans were never taught to swim, and as such, have not been able to pass that skill along to their children and grandchildren. Still today, access to swimming facilities and instruction is not as convenient to many communities.

To call swimming, itself, racist is absurd; and that statement should be met with ridicule. However, it would be appropriate to say that some communities, and therefore races, have been disadvantaged regarding exposure and access to being able to learn swimming as a life skill, or being able to be "good" at it.

Body structure and anatomy? And body fat? WTF?

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Golf on line 2

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Tennis

Thinking maybe her husband isn't the only one who had a stroke

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Aggie521 said:

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Golf on line 2

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Tennis

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Yachting. America's Cup.

Aggie521 said:

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Golf on line 2

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aggiehawg said:

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LegalDrugPusher said:

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Aggie521 said:

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Golf on line 2

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Tennis

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Yachting. America's Cup.

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Ice Hockey. Canadians are racist af.

Remember when we used to celebrate our differences. Our differences through diversity gave us our strength. We could joke with each other about our differences.

Now if a sport is not dominated by black people it's racist. (Recently hockey for example)

Safe spaces for everyone

I have been a swim team dad for 18 years. We are just now, over the last 5 years or so, seeing a smattering of black boys and girls enter swim teams.

The ones that stuck with it, usually became one of the top 3 point scorers.

The attrition rate of black swimmers is very high.

My personal opinion is that many black swimmers quickly learn that they have more advantages in other sports, so they turn their attention elsewhere.

It's a classic case of comparative advantage.

Thirty boys, half of them black, half of them white, start swimming in a swim district but also play basketball. Within 5 years 12 black boys drop swimming to focus on basketball, and 3 stay in swimming. Same time frame, 12 white boys drop basketball to focus on swimming, 3 stay in basketball.

The resulting demographics are pretty representative of reality. Look at the NBA vs. Olympic swimming team.

Which of those two sports is racist?

Side note:
The black boys and girls that I have seen excel at swimming have almost all done it because they want to get faster for water polo, which they love.

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aggiehawg said:

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Aggie521 said:

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Golf on line 2

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Tennis

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Yachting. America's Cup.

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Ice Hockey. Canadians are racist af.

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Historically many more children of color freeze to death on the ice.

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akm91 said:

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So it wasn't body structure or anatomy; it was obesity.

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Sure, I suppose.

What would be your opinion on why most can't swim?

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They never learned?

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This is absolute garbage. Body structure and anatomy? Jeez.

This problem with blacks and swimming has everything to do with accessibility and experience. Having a swimming pool at one's home has historically been a luxury that lower income families simply could not afford. Most people are introduced to swimming early in life through public neighborhood pools and/or country clubs. Both of which have simply not been as prevalent in black communities. As such, older generations of black Americans were never taught to swim, and as such, have not been able to pass that skill along to their children and grandchildren. Still today, access to swimming facilities and instruction is not as convenient to many communities.

To call swimming, itself, racist is absurd; and that statement should be met with ridicule. However, it would be appropriate to say that some communities, and therefore races, have been disadvantaged regarding exposure and access to being able to learn swimming as a life skill, or being able to be "good" at it.

Body structure and anatomy? And body fat? WTF?

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Just about anything is racist is you find it convenient to never accept responsibility for your own, or your ancestors decisions. Let's see…skiing is racist because only well to do participate, eating organic produce is racist because it's more expensive, driving a newer model car is racist because everyone can't afford one, attending a school like A&M is racist since it was historically a predominantly 'white' school which used Agriculture (which is racist) in its name. The list is endless. And libbies won't hesitate to use every one of them.

This is how I learned to swim thanks to whining too much within reach of my uncle. To be fair, I implied I already knew how, but what I meant was "Wade in the shallows"

John Wayne had to have had a blast throwing that kid into the pond.

Sure do see a lot of asians excel on swim teams.

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My personal opinion is that many black swimmers quickly learn that they have more advantages in other sports, so they turn their attention elsewhere.

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The same holds true in football. I've seen it happen a lot to friends' kids and relatives.

Lots of white middle school boys are eager to sign up for football. After a season of getting bashed around during practice by their black classmates who mature earlier and are bigger and stronger (and sitting on the bench during games), they drop out to focus on a sport where they might have an opportunity to play, like baseball.

Fast-forward 10 years and baseball has lots of white players, which causes all sorts of angst among the media. But nobody looks twice at the demographics of football.

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Whos Line is it Anyway classic, wait for it 40 seconds in

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Damn. That was a 0.00 reaction time.

WestTexAg12 said:

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I'll tell you this…

85% of my "Iron Ducks", aka swim failures, at Marine boot camp were black
10% Hispanic
5% white/other

That's just how it went. It's body structure and anatomy.

It isn't racist, they just overwhelmingly suck at it.

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Tell me you've never been to a swim meet without telling me you've never been to a swim meet.

I've got a 16 year old HS swimmer. There isn't a swimmer on his team that isn't at least 5'8 and thin as a rail.

I really do think it's access, cost and some cultural. A few years ago black competitive swimmers were rare, now I'm seeing more black kids getting into team swimming and diving. It's good to see.

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Sure do see a lot of asians excel on swim teams.

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Yeah. But the comparative advantage thing doesn't hold. What sports are Asians known to dominate? Badminton.

akm91 said:

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WestTexAg12 said:

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akm91 said:

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So it wasn't body structure or anatomy; it was obesity.

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Sure, I suppose.

What would be your opinion on why most can't swim?

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Most likely that they never learned to swim. Part of the reasoning is it may be cultural and another part of it may be access/cost to swim lessons.

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Likewise, I always called BS when George Strait sang about "I remember that old Frio River, where I learned to swim"

BusterAg said:

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akm91 said:

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Sure do see a lot of asians excel on swim teams.

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Yeah. But the comparative advantage thing doesn't hold. What sports are Asians known to dominate? Badminton.

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Disadvantage in height resulting in shorter legs and arms. Can have a strong stroke but still not move enough water compared to a larger person.

I ran track in junior high. Three members of our relay team were 5'8" or taller, with long legs. The fourth was about 5'3". She was fast but needed almost two strides to match our one. Her legs were practically a blur when she was running third leg of a relay.

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Sure do see a lot of asians excel on swim teams.

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True story, when I was on the swim team in Saudi Arabia, my swim coach was the 100m Freestyle record holder from India. At a time when Rowdy Gaines was swimming the 100m Free in 49 seconds, Mr. Nair was swimming it in about 51s.

But the overwhelming % of best kids on our team were of Dutch or Australian Nationality.