I'm talking about years and years ago. Because for the most part they are socially conservative people.

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Because someone said we need equality, and they said that sounds reasonable.
Then someone said we need equity, and they thought, that sounds similar.
And then someone said let prepubescent kids lop off their wanker or you're a bigot, and they said nothing.

One of the first major socialist organizations, the Fabian Society, was founded in London in 1884.

I'm curious as why. I've only spent a couple days in London and I was working the majority of the time.

I deployed with sone Brits and it seemed they were all about doing their job and having fun. We were in our early 29's and politics never came up.

It seems the English "DNA" is must closest to American "DNA"…although I'm sure there are a ton of folks who would find that statement divisive.

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I'm curious as why. I've only spent a couple days in London and I was working the majority of the time.

I deployed with sone Brits and it seemed they were all about doing their job and having fun. We were in our early 29's and politics never came up.

It seems the English "DNA" is must closest to American "DNA"…although I'm sure there are a ton of folks who would find that statement divisive.

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They don't really talk politics until their late 29's, then you can't get them to shut up

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Quito said:

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I'm curious as why. I've only spent a couple days in London and I was working the majority of the time.

I deployed with sone Brits and it seemed they were all about doing their job and having fun. We were in our early 29's and politics never came up.

It seems the English "DNA" is must closest to American "DNA"…although I'm sure there are a ton of folks who would find that statement divisive.

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They don't really talk politics until their late 29's, then you can't get them to shut up

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I remember my 29's, they seemed to last for a decade, but it was only 365 days. A very confusing time.

Unions

Because they "left" common sense behind?



Thank you! I'll be here all week!

Illegal and legal immigration.

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I'm talking about years and years ago. Because for the most part they are socially conservative people.

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Because they have a greater dependence on government to provide for them. They have lived under system we escaped for almost a thousand years

This should highlight just how special the "American Experiment" is, and why you should fight to the death to protect that ideal.

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Because they "left" common sense behind?



Thank you! I'll be here all week!

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This. Not only economically but also Socially as their laws place Society firmly in the hands of the government and not the citizen. The government has all the rights.

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The Green Dragon said:

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I'm talking about years and years ago. Because for the most part they are socially conservative people.

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Because they have a greater dependence on government to provide for them. They have lived under system we escaped for almost a thousand years

This should highlight just how special the "American Experiment" is, and why you should fight to the death to protect that ideal.

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Correct. The National Health care system was the end of any of their ability to have some kind of military strength, which is what generally is what ends up being needed to be a major factor in the world. The fact that their new carrier is partially dependent on our assistance and logistics to operate tells the story.

I never considered my UK friends to be socially conservative.

I was listening to an abortion debate that had an English chick on it. She said UK liberals were more socially conservative than US liberals because UK doesn't have a religious right. Basically, if the religious right thinks killing babies is bad, US libs need to believe it's good. In UK, they don't have that pressure to move further left.

So, my answer to OP is that they have always been way left on political spectrum, just not as far left socially.

World War II

The results of WWII were great, as was their fortitude, but the toll it took on England and the English people was tremendous. They were never the same again.

The people of their colonial empire changed them.

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I never considered my UK friends to be socially conservative.

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Brits and most Europeans are followers. They're people groups that lived under kings for generations and they don't mind being told what to do. America was founded by the people who weren't going along with it anymore. The resulting mindset here comes from our founding. But, it's changing here because kids aren't being taught American exceptionalism or to love God and we're being flooded with immigrants, mostly illegal, but legal too.

Quito said:

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I'm curious as why. I've only spent a couple days in London and I was working the majority of the time.

I deployed with sone Brits and it seemed they were all about doing their job and having fun. We were in our early 29's and politics never came up.

It seems the English "DNA" is must closest to American "DNA"…although I'm sure there are a ton of folks who would find that statement divisive.

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We're muts. Purebreeds often have lots of issues. You can see that same strain of leftist push in the northeast were the English DNA would be the strongest.

Propaganda and a lack of critical thinking.

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Meeeja

This appears to be mostly it. Their conservatism actually includes a tradition of subservience to the state and if the state determines it requires very high taxes, nationalized industries like health, and other aspects of centralized and socialized authority, conservatives won't object too strongly, and their own left, which is less socially radical but more economically radical, is happy to oblige with policy.

Now, American critical theories culture is poisoning all of Western Europe via globalist activism and authoritarian capitalism trying to exploit it as a way to gain short term political advantage, and it's becoming a mess entirely.

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World War II

The results of WWII were great, as was their fortitude, but the toll it took on England and the English people was tremendous. They were never the same again.

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This is the answer.

I think Britain's last election before WWII was in 1936. They didn't hold an election during the war, so when the German's surrendered, they called an election in the summer of 1945. The Labour Party convinced the electorate (including a lot of servicemen) that the government owed them something for winning the war, and thus, Labour was elected an ushered in socialist medicine and a broader welfare state.

I believe "Cheer Churchill, vote Labour" was the slogan.

I lived there a long time.

GUILT.

They were made to feel guily about the British Empire. While it did some bad things, it did a lot of good things too. They also are very self-correcting (or were). They dumped slavery way before everyone else.

But that good and self-correction is forgotten. Only the bad they did is remembered. Hence they are "woke" and believe everything the BBC spoon-feeds them.

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This.

Big Media and Big Entertainment (which, let's be honest, we can combine them into one).

Followed so shortly after World War I where an entire generation was dead or scarred.

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Much of the Why is because of the UN.

Here was Thatcher decades ago:




Once the UK joined the UN they hitched their wagon to much of Eastern Europe who were still escaping the Soviet Union.

And the UK flourished as Eastern Europe developed buying UK goods. But with joining the UN they got immigrants from open borders. Many of them were from Muslim countries. Many were gypsies. Neither of whom wanted to assimilate. Social programs grew to support the two groups and now you have a mess.
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Man I loved her. We need more leaders like her today.

Eso si, Que es said:

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Because someone said we need equality, and they said that sounds reasonable.
Then someone said we need equity, and they thought, that sounds similar.
And then someone said let prepubescent kids lop off their wanker or you're a bigot, and they said nothing.

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You nailed it in a nutshell.

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I was listening to an abortion debate that had an English chick on it. She said UK liberals were more socially conservative than US liberals because UK doesn't have a religious right. Basically, if the religious right thinks killing babies is bad, US libs need to believe it's good. In UK, they don't have that pressure to move further left.

So, my answer to OP is that they have always been way left on political spectrum, just not as far left socially.

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I don't believe that.

UK Liberals, IMO, are just as Liberal as US Liberals.

Hollywood has sensationalized the in-your-face liberalization made it something you brag about and promote. Brits tend to be more private about such matters. In the US we have Tabloids that expose behavior, but you also have Madonna and who was the "wrecking ball" girl?! You had Playboy and Hustler with huge public parties.

In the UK, you have the paparazzi, but they were smart enough to pretend to hide.

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Miley Cyrus.... definitely hot!

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dmart90 said:

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World War II

The results of WWII were great, as was their fortitude, but the toll it took on England and the English people was tremendous. They were never the same again.

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This is the answer.

I think Britain's last election before WWII was in 1936. They didn't hold an election during the war, so when the German's surrendered, they called an election in the summer of 1945. The Labour Party convinced the electorate (including a lot of servicemen) that the government owed them something for winning the war, and thus, Labour was elected an ushered in socialist medicine and a broader welfare state.

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Wait what? The results of ww2 were great!?

It was the biggest disaster in human history. For Britain it was a million. Dead, their influence on civilization gone, all of Europe and Asia communist and subjugated by much more evil and dangerous people than nazis or japs ever dreamed of, the third world adrift and mostly just soaking up food and communism/socialism too.

It effectively destroyed the greatest civilization in history and left nothing but socialist *****

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dmart90 said:

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World War II

The results of WWII were great, as was their fortitude, but the toll it took on England and the English people was tremendous. They were never the same again.

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This is the answer.

I think Britain's last election before WWII was in 1936. They didn't hold an election during the war, so when the German's surrendered, they called an election in the summer of 1945. The Labour Party convinced the electorate (including a lot of servicemen) that the government owed them something for winning the war, and thus, Labour was elected an ushered in socialist medicine and a broader welfare state.

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In general I see the purging of the strongest men as Europe's general downfall:
A. In the 1600 - 1800 the ambitious left europe and found their way to America.
B. Great wars - both 1 and 2. Massive numbers of the BEST men were killed, leaving an excess of women and weak men - who then created and molded subsequent generations in their image (overly feminine and compliant).
C. The American security umbrella casts an environment that subsidizes weak men and pressures the muting of rough edges.
D. Legacy: strong men built things that are still standing, and europe tries to preserve that stuff. This means that subsequent generations have been caretakers rather than visionaries. Resistance to progress also means that folks are subjected live in small apartments and wait for things to come around. And with tourism being a big deal to their economies, they get stuck in complacency. The weak men remain and the strong men get fed up and move on.