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Behavior is based on environmental factors. This is the modern day equivalent of looking for "obedience bumps" on skulls.

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How do you know?

Are you saying that genetics have zero impact on behaviors? You are basically saying that the way that every human brain develops has no dependency on genetics?

I disagree, but the data are sparse.

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Just beginning to look through some of those papers listed above, but the third ones uses a "proxy-phenotype" method to try to extrapolate from 69 "education-associated" SNPs, single nucleotide polymorphisms.

Immediately, do you see any issues trying to correlate "cognitive performance" and those SNPs? I want to know where your brain is with respect to this kind of study.

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Getting into the weeds here of this one guys research, and I don't really want to. I don't think that these are examples of a professor chasing eugenics, and that was my only point.

I think that a study that uses all of the available scientific tools in 2022 would be vastly more informative than previous studies. Using genome sequencing, internet profiles, big data, and AI, I absolutely think you could find associations that would be positive to society, in health, education, policy considerations, and likely other fields.

I can't find any studies like that, unfortunately. Too many roadblocks.

The proxy-phenotype method is a typical example of researchers doing the best that they can with the tools they have.

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Too into the weeds..? Do you not read the papers that you post? Having a lot of publications on a topic isn't going to intimidate someone in the actual field, especially when those papers are all extrapolations that can't account for the number of variables that would have to be included.

For that paper specifically, he's looking for polymorphisms present in people at various education levels. Immediately we're biased towards whichever institutions the authors decide to look at - are they present because of 0.00175% of their SNPs led them there? Of course not, millions of other small choices add up to that. But they've selected those SNPs for the further parts of the study, so the potential bias doesn't matter.

That's what I'm trying to get you to see - there isn't a big shadowy organization preventing the data, it just isn't good data.

sorry guys, lunch time over. Try not behave and not get my thread locked.

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If you deny genetics influences behavior

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I didn't. In fact, I have argued against that idea in this very thread. What I reject is you hyperbole that it is 75%, or 100%, related to genetics or race.

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This is why virtually every city is segregated, people choose and want to live among their own. This is never going to change.

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I guess you have never lived in Houston.

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They don't allow them access because they don't want it widely known that race is far more than skin deep and that the problems and issues we face from race relations will never go away because the behavioral issues and conflicts are genetic and cannot be changed through social engineering.

Human Behavioral Genetics or Human Biodiveristy (HBD) is the single most problematic science in history. It's definitive proof that genetics governs all human behavior no matter how or what we do.

There have been numerous geneticists who have been fired from their jobs for venturing into this field because it essentially proves that all modern psychology and sociological theories are not just incorrect but wildly incorrect and that if you don't account for genetics then you're ignoring 75% of the cause.

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I can't agree with you on this at all.

It's absolutely true that certain cultural groups have certain tendencies, and that can be proven. Focusing on those tendencies, and how to adjust our social programs based on those, would be helpful to society.

But, I firmly reject the opinion that 75% of human behavior is caused by race.

I think that people that have this type of opinion are the problem, because the powers that be are more afraid of people like that than they are interested in making people's lives better.

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I never said it was caused by race, just that race is genetic and much more than skin, eye, hair, and body shape. See the map below to see just how far apart the races actually are from a genetic standpoint. You can easily see that Europeans are closely related, Asians are closely related, Africans are closer to each other than anyone else, etc. Race is absolutely real from a genetic standpoint. Denying this leads back exactly to where we were before.



Genetics absolutely do govern human behavior. This is why the best choice you can make for your kids is choosing the right spouse to ensure they have solid genetics. Choose the wrong spouse and they may make bad choices no matter how well your raise then.

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Africa has the highest genetic diversity of any continent. Which makes sense because as far as we know all other continental groups are subsets of that group.

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All Africans are represented in the bottom left corner of the chart. None of them are close to Europeans or Asians and even further from natives to the Americas.

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Charts like this are so intentionally vague it's ridiculous. They're using the fixation index as a measure of "distance" between races, but FST is just a measure of SNP expression.

Of course highly segregated groups are going to have different polymorphisms, that's the whole idea behind them. What is this graph trying to show?

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Genetic distance between the races. Read the description on the top right, it explains it quite clearly.

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Genetic distance based on fixation index (FST) measures single nucleotide polymorphisms.

Separated populations have different SNPs.

This graph shows that populations that are far apart are far apart genetically ONLY WHEN you compare SNPs.

It's redundant - so what is the intent behind posting it?

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I just don't believe we can ever solve these issues through any sort of social policy.

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"Solving" racial relations is like trying to "solve" chess. It likely can never be done. There are just too many factors to consider.

That said, racial relations are absolutely worse in 2022 than they were in 2000, for example, and that is 100% due to social policies.

But, I'm not even focused on that. I am focused on how we can treat diseases, educate and socially interact based on racial differences. We can't study that right now based on genetic data due to wokeism.

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If you deny genetics influences behavior then you're fundamentally part of the problem. Just looking at Africa, Asia, Europe, and the Americas prior to significant immigration could easily tell you that the races are nothing alike in behavior and trying to shove them all into one area won't work.

This is why virtually every city is segregated, people choose and want to live among their own. This is never going to change.

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Why is it important it change? That's the pre-supposition of the 60/70's Academia that seems most suspect. Having different burroughs worked fine for the Classical world and even more recently. They just were not mandated --- that's when you get into trouble. Let natural segregation happen--just don't legislate it.

Leave the "tendencies" alone.

1) So, do you think that this research is evidence of this guy chasing eugenics?

2) Does a study like this justify the NIH from withholding more complete data to make the results better?

3) Do you think adding in behavioral data from internet history would make a study like this more accurate?

I'm not defending this guys work. It's not the point. I'm saying the NIH shouldn't be denying access to helpful data for work LIKE this, and that this guy is obviously not chasing eugenics.

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Genetics absolutely do govern human behavior. This is why the best choice you can make for your kids is choosing the right spouse to ensure they have solid genetics. Choose the wrong spouse and they may make bad choices no matter how well your raise then.

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Show me which chromosome the behavior gene is located on.

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Probably the ones that cause genetic psychological disorders and diseases? If mental illness can be hereditary, why not behaviors?

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Genetics absolutely do govern human behavior. This is why the best choice you can make for your kids is choosing the right spouse to ensure they have solid genetics. Choose the wrong spouse and they may make bad choices no matter how well your raise then.

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Show me which chromosome the behavior gene is located on.

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Probably the ones that cause genetic psychological disorders and diseases? If mental illness can be hereditary, why not behaviors?

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Autism is roughly 80% genetic, just like IQ, but clearly behavior is entirely environmental. Let's just ignore the myriad of identical twin studies (identical twins raised separately) that say the exact opposite where each person is extremely similar to the other as an adult despite them not growing up together.

Same thing with adopted siblings that grew up within the same household where each kid is no more similar than two random people chosen off the street.

BAP has long had this "certain races are genetically inferior" shtick around here. I am vehemently against it and quite frankly wish STAFF would nuke the idea from orbit.

There is ZERO doubt that genetics plays a role in our brains. ZERO. But, this idea that certain races' behaviors and intelligence is solely based upon race and nothing else is a crock of **** propped up by junk science and bad conclusions.

Why the call for meddling censorship? Saying differences are real has nothing to do with rank of superior or not.

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I just don't believe we can ever solve these issues through any sort of social policy.

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"Solving" racial relations is like trying to "solve" chess. It likely can never be done. There are just too many factors to consider.

That said, racial relations are absolutely worse in 2022 than they were in 2000, for example, and that is 100% due to social policies.

But, I'm not even focused on that. I am focused on how we can treat diseases, educate and socially interact based on racial differences. We can't study that right now based on genetic data due to wokeism.

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If you deny genetics influences behavior then you're fundamentally part of the problem. Just looking at Africa, Asia, Europe, and the Americas prior to significant immigration could easily tell you that the races are nothing alike in behavior and trying to shove them all into one area won't work.

This is why virtually every city is segregated, people choose and want to live among their own. This is never going to change.

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So you agree that mass immigration did change behaviors of certain races? A black baby from a drug abusing mother wouldn't have a different outcome is he were adopted into a healthy white family?

It's a far stretch to go from "genetics affects our behavior" to "genetics governs all of our behaviors". The former is probably true to a small degree, and the latter is nonsense. We've known about genetic components of addiction for awhile now. And you'll see some people simply refuse to touch alcohol because of what they know is in their family bloodline. We are more than capable of using our mental faculties to make choices AGAINST what we feel like doing or what our body is craving for us to do.

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So you agree that mass immigration did change behaviors of certain races? A black baby from a drug abusing mother wouldn't have a different outcome is he were adopted into a healthy white family?

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That's exactly the kind of example the whole thing really turns on. If it wouldn't have a different outcome, than that means race matters. But that is very hard to believe.

(I would adjust the example to say baby born before she got on drugs to clear the genetic backdrop) Yes, surely the outcome would be different? Especially if further suppose raised on a space base or such, with no exposure to any idea of MSM race narratives.

My intuition says the outcome would be really different. But if race genetics partly determines, than that would be wrong.

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They don't allow them access because they don't want it widely known that race is far more than skin deep and that the problems and issues we face from race relations will never go away because the behavioral issues and conflicts are genetic and cannot be changed through social engineering.

Human Behavioral Genetics or Human Biodiveristy (HBD) is the single most problematic science in history. It's definitive proof that genetics governs all human behavior no matter how or what we do.

There have been numerous geneticists who have been fired from their jobs for venturing into this field because it essentially proves that all modern psychology and sociological theories are not just incorrect but wildly incorrect and that if you don't account for genetics then you're ignoring 75% of the cause.

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I can't agree with you on this at all.

It's absolutely true that certain cultural groups have certain tendencies, and that can be proven. Focusing on those tendencies, and how to adjust our social programs based on those, would be helpful to society.

But, I firmly reject the opinion that 75% of human behavior is caused by race.

I think that people that have this type of opinion are the problem, because the powers that be are more afraid of people like that than they are interested in making people's lives better.

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I never said it was caused by race, just that race is genetic and much more than skin, eye, hair, and body shape. See the map below to see just how far apart the races actually are from a genetic standpoint. You can easily see that Europeans are closely related, Asians are closely related, Africans are closer to each other than anyone else, etc. Race is absolutely real from a genetic standpoint. Denying this leads back exactly to where we were before.



Genetics absolutely do govern human behavior. This is why the best choice you can make for your kids is choosing the right spouse to ensure they have solid genetics. Choose the wrong spouse and they may make bad choices no matter how well your raise then.

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Africa has the highest genetic diversity of any continent. Which makes sense because as far as we know all other continental groups are subsets of that group.

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All Africans are represented in the bottom left corner of the chart. None of them are close to Europeans or Asians and even further from natives to the Americas.

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then this chart is using some cherry picked attribute as a stand-in for genetic diversity. simple thought exercise - all of human genetics came out of Africa, ergo all are derivatives of that set. Any measure that points you in the opposite direction from the basic fact that Africa is the most genetically diverse continent is suspect.

On its face that sounds straight forward, but why would it still be the most diverse? What if in prehistoric times the vast majority just left? Are not some clearly no longer present there? There seem some odd assumptions built into that. Without offering any comment on that graph or if it amounts to anything.

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They don't allow them access because they don't want it widely known that race is far more than skin deep and that the problems and issues we face from race relations will never go away because the behavioral issues and conflicts are genetic and cannot be changed through social engineering.

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One side effect of them not allowing access is that it makes it harder to counter ridiculous assertions like this one.
Anecdotally, this is not true.

OTOH, the government doesn't want anyone to figure out how to make things better for minorities either. Lest they slip away from their control and dependence

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Genetics greatly influences behavior. It's been shown time after time. My comment has nothing to do with race. It's widely reported in twins separated at birth, siblings discovered through DNA testing, etc.

In my personal life, I've seen behavior differences is adopted children vs. natural born siblings.

I think we'd all love to believe we are controlled by our intellect, not our body, but it just isn't so.

I've always thought that genetics defines potential and living life determines how much of that potential is reached.

Both Genetics AND Environmental factors play a role in behaviors and outcomes. It isn't an either/or scenario.

For the original post, publicly funded scientific data should be publicly available. The data was gathered ethically. Conclusions from the data are just that - conclusions from data.

So tired of the censorship.

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Show me which chromosome the behavior gene is located on.

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Genetics greatly influences behavior. It's been shown time after time. My comment has nothing to do with race. It's widely reported in twins separated at birth, siblings discovered through DNA testing, etc.

In my personal life, I've seen behavior differences is adopted children vs. natural born siblings.

I think we'd all love to believe we are controlled by our intellect, not our body, but it just isn't so.

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Isn't that more the impact of family and very localiszed individual genetics, as vs making an argument like an entire ethnic group is "prone to Y because of genetics"?? Like say diabetes runs in the family --- thats not like saying it runs in the Celts. Strike that--that's a disease. No, it would be like saying "doing sales runs in the Celts". Does that really fly?

That's where the raising the kids on a space station analogy comes in --- not even exposure to lefits teaching about the past-- nothing to clutter the mind with pre-conceptions or patronizing. Have you noticed (just saw it play out with a family kid) that toddlers of all races don't show any real judgementalness toward each other--they have to learn such negatives?

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Isn't that more the impact of family and very localiszed individual genetics, as vs making an argument like an entire ethnic group is "prone to Y because of genetics"?? Like say diabetes runs in the family --- thats not like saying it runs in the Celts.

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Yes, in the example I talked about.

However, and I'm sure I will be corrected if wrong, there are certainly genetic problems within racial groups. Tay-Sachs among certain Jewish groups, obesity among Polynesians (on a Western diet), alcoholism in Native Americans, Sickle Cell in blacks.

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Isn't that more the impact of family and very localiszed individual genetics, as vs making an argument like an entire ethnic group is "prone to Y because of genetics"?? Like say diabetes runs in the family --- thats not like saying it runs in the Celts.

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Yes, in the example I talked about.

However, and I'm sure I will be corrected if wrong, there are certainly genetic problems within racial groups. Tay-Sachs among certain Jewish groups, obesity among Polynesians (on a Western diet), alcoholism in Native Americans, Sickle Cell in blacks.

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Yes, that's why I changed my example. Those are all conditions. We are talking about behavior and capability potential. Does a particular race prefer to build than another? A certain idea can't even understand? Something more abstract than a malady disorder or disease.

Again, I see strong influence toward success or failure in life, based on family-level genetics.

When you start talking about an entire ethnic/racial group, I've seen too many outliers and exceptions to believe that you can make such behavior generalizations about an entire race or ethnicity.

Culture is more to credit/blame at that level.

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BAP has long had this "certain races are genetically inferior" shtick around here. I am vehemently against it and quite frankly wish STAFF would nuke the idea from orbit.

There is ZERO doubt that genetics plays a role in our brains. ZERO. But, this idea that certain races' behaviors and intelligence is solely based upon race and nothing else is a crock of **** propped up by junk science and bad conclusions.

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Who said anything about inferior? I never have. I said races are different, you read into what you wanted to see.

Its the standard academic line to try to tamp down inquiry. Recall the 90's with the Bell Curve discussion when it would come up --- not enough realized that it didn't put whites on top, so it was just an analysis and not some bigotry driven thing.

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On its face that sounds straight forward, but why would it still be the most diverse? What if in prehistoric times the vast majority just left? Are not some clearly no longer present there? There seem some odd assumptions built into that. Without offering any comment on that graph or if it amounts to anything.

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Because the vast majority didn't just leave. Small groups left and established other populations. we know empirically that Africa has the most genetic diversity. It is not an assumption. For example

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2953791/

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Again, I see strong influence toward success or failure in life, based on family-level genetics.

When you start talking about an entire ethnic/racial group, I've seen too many outliers and exceptions to believe that you can make such behavior generalizations about an entire race or ethnicity.

Culture is more to credit/blame at that level.

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Agree. So the elusive question becomes, how much of culture derives / or emerges from traits that have to do with what is being called race?

Hell, I have even seen it denied routinely in the 90's and first decade of this century that `race' even scientifically exists or could be shown. So part of the problem is no formal definition seems to exist like does for how to tell an airplane from a helicopter.

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I just don't believe we can ever solve these issues through any sort of social policy.

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"Solving" racial relations is like trying to "solve" chess. It likely can never be done. There are just too many factors to consider.

That said, racial relations are absolutely worse in 2022 than they were in 2000, for example, and that is 100% due to social policies.

But, I'm not even focused on that. I am focused on how we can treat diseases, educate and socially interact based on racial differences. We can't study that right now based on genetic data due to wokeism.

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If you deny genetics influences behavior then you're fundamentally part of the problem. Just looking at Africa, Asia, Europe, and the Americas prior to significant immigration could easily tell you that the races are nothing alike in behavior and trying to shove them all into one area won't work.

This is why virtually every city is segregated, people choose and want to live among their own. This is never going to change.

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So you agree that mass immigration did change behaviors of certain races? A black baby from a drug abusing mother wouldn't have a different outcome is he were adopted into a healthy white family?

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No it did not change the behavior, that was my entire point. People remain segregated even in our "melting pot" because of this very reason.

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It's a far stretch to go from "genetics affects our behavior" to "genetics governs all of our behaviors". The former is probably true to a small degree, and the latter is nonsense. We've known about genetic components of addiction for awhile now. And you'll see some people simply refuse to touch alcohol because of what they know is in their family bloodline. We are more than capable of using our mental faculties to make choices AGAINST what we feel like doing or what our body is craving for us to do.

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Everything is governed by genetics, that's how it works. And I do mean everything from how religious you are, to how politically conservative or liberal you are relative to society, how disgusted you are by gays, what kind of foods you like, how likely you are to be promiscuous or not, your intelligence, your discipline, your laziness, your ability to fix things with your hands, etc.

This is why human behavioral genetics makes people angry. They don't want to accept that they largely don't have a lot of control. Oh sure free will exists but you are going to be genetically inclined to make decisions a certain way and no amount of retraining, education, etc will change that unless you are literally abused or severely neglected aka massive trauma.

It doesn't matter whether you accept it or not, this is reality. There are numerous identical twin studies and adoptive sibling studies that go into detail about how genetics governs human behavior.

The studies on Genetics and IQ have been done and its irrefutable. Education, money and opportunities will not change it.

The science and data does not care about progressive feelings and that's why so many of them try to deny the truth and blame it on "economics".

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So you agree that mass immigration did change behaviors of certain races? A black baby from a drug abusing mother wouldn't have a different outcome is he were adopted into a healthy white family?

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That's exactly the kind of example the whole thing really turns on. If it wouldn't have a different outcome, than that means race matters. But that is very hard to believe.

(I would adjust the example to say baby born before she got on drugs to clear the genetic backdrop) Yes, surely the outcome would be different? Especially if further suppose raised on a space base or such, with no exposure to any idea of MSM race narratives.

My intuition says the outcome would be really different. But if race genetics partly determines, than that would be wrong.

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Assuming two identical twins from the same drug addicted mother and father, one grows up in the ghetto and one in a well off family? The odds of both ending up drug addicts is going to be high. We know that identical twins end up being very very similar as adults no matter how they grow up.

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Everything is governed by genetics, that's how it works. And I do mean everything from how religious you are, to how politically conservative or liberal you are relative to society, how disgusted you are by gays, what kind of foods you like, how likely you are to be promiscuous or not, your intelligence, your discipline, your laziness, your ability to fix things with your hands, etc.

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This seems rather unlikely. Its not even clear how genes could determine such things because some of those kind of response are what your life experiences prioritize or put in front of you first. Which has everything to do with environment? If you tracked your own life well, you can even recall when had other stances and dispositions.

This without disputing its importance. It just seems very over-weighted.

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On its face that sounds straight forward, but why would it still be the most diverse? What if in prehistoric times the vast majority just left? Are not some clearly no longer present there? There seem some odd assumptions built into that. Without offering any comment on that graph or if it amounts to anything.

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Because the vast majority didn't just leave. Small groups left and established other populations. we know empirically that Africa has the most genetic diversity. It is not an assumption. For example

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2953791/

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But without counting any that have come there since in the last few centuries, why isn't there a small bit of Japan or China, or whathaveyou in Africa if examples of every kind remained behind? Reading this section of your link it does seem to imply all the genes are found there as you say:

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To date, few population genetic studies of SVs across ethnically diverse populations have been performed (37). Instead, most studies have focused on the European, Japanese, Chinese, and African (Yoruba) HapMap populations (37). A study of 67 common copy number variants (CNVs) in these populations indicated that 11% of the variation was due to differences among populations and that many of the variants were shared among populations from different regions, further supporting the argument that these variants existed prior to migration of modern humans out of Africa (171). There are currently no studies of SV variability within and between ethnically diverse African populations. Such knowledge will be informative for reconstructing human evolutionary history and for understanding the role of SVs in normal phenotypic diversity and in susceptibility to disease.

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I just don't believe we can ever solve these issues through any sort of social policy.

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"Solving" racial relations is like trying to "solve" chess. It likely can never be done. There are just too many factors to consider.

That said, racial relations are absolutely worse in 2022 than they were in 2000, for example, and that is 100% due to social policies.

But, I'm not even focused on that. I am focused on how we can treat diseases, educate and socially interact based on racial differences. We can't study that right now based on genetic data due to wokeism.

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If you deny genetics influences behavior then you're fundamentally part of the problem. Just looking at Africa, Asia, Europe, and the Americas prior to significant immigration could easily tell you that the races are nothing alike in behavior and trying to shove them all into one area won't work.

This is why virtually every city is segregated, people choose and want to live among their own. This is never going to change.

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So you agree that mass immigration did change behaviors of certain races? A black baby from a drug abusing mother wouldn't have a different outcome is he were adopted into a healthy white family?

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No it did not change the behavior, that was my entire point. People remain segregated even in our "melting pot" because of this very reason.

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It's a far stretch to go from "genetics affects our behavior" to "genetics governs all of our behaviors". The former is probably true to a small degree, and the latter is nonsense. We've known about genetic components of addiction for awhile now. And you'll see some people simply refuse to touch alcohol because of what they know is in their family bloodline. We are more than capable of using our mental faculties to make choices AGAINST what we feel like doing or what our body is craving for us to do.

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Everything is governed by genetics, that's how it works. And I do mean everything from how religious you are, to how politically conservative or liberal you are relative to society, how disgusted you are by gays, what kind of foods you like, how likely you are to be promiscuous or not, your intelligence, your discipline, your laziness, your ability to fix things with your hands, etc.

This is why human behavioral genetics makes people angry. They don't want to accept that they largely don't have a lot of control. Oh sure free will exists but you are going to be genetically inclined to make decisions a certain way and no amount of retraining, education, etc will change that unless you are literally abused or severely neglected aka massive trauma.

It doesn't matter whether you accept it or not, this is reality. There are numerous identical twin studies and adoptive sibling studies that go into detail about how genetics governs human behavior.

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Yes, and we are talking about large groups of people, and of course exceptions will exist. But when you look at say a certain group of people you can predict the outcomes based on genetics very well. Especially when that group of people share genetics.

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They don't allow them access because they don't want it widely known that race is far more than skin deep and that the problems and issues we face from race relations will never go away because the behavioral issues and conflicts are genetic and cannot be changed through social engineering.

Human Behavioral Genetics or Human Biodiveristy (HBD) is the single most problematic science in history. It's definitive proof that genetics governs all human behavior no matter how or what we do.

There have been numerous geneticists who have been fired from their jobs for venturing into this field because it essentially proves that all modern psychology and sociological theories are not just incorrect but wildly incorrect and that if you don't account for genetics then you're ignoring 75% of the cause.

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I can't agree with you on this at all.

It's absolutely true that certain cultural groups have certain tendencies, and that can be proven. Focusing on those tendencies, and how to adjust our social programs based on those, would be helpful to society.

But, I firmly reject the opinion that 75% of human behavior is caused by race.

I think that people that have this type of opinion are the problem, because the powers that be are more afraid of people like that than they are interested in making people's lives better.

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I never said it was caused by race, just that race is genetic and much more than skin, eye, hair, and body shape. See the map below to see just how far apart the races actually are from a genetic standpoint. You can easily see that Europeans are closely related, Asians are closely related, Africans are closer to each other than anyone else, etc. Race is absolutely real from a genetic standpoint. Denying this leads back exactly to where we were before.



Genetics absolutely do govern human behavior. This is why the best choice you can make for your kids is choosing the right spouse to ensure they have solid genetics. Choose the wrong spouse and they may make bad choices no matter how well your raise then.

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Africa has the highest genetic diversity of any continent. Which makes sense because as far as we know all other continental groups are subsets of that group.

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All Africans are represented in the bottom left corner of the chart. None of them are close to Europeans or Asians and even further from natives to the Americas.

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then this chart is using some cherry picked attribute as a stand-in for genetic diversity. simple thought exercise - all of human genetics came out of Africa, ergo all are derivatives of that set. Any measure that points you in the opposite direction from the basic fact that Africa is the most genetically diverse continent is suspect.

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Africans never interbred with Neanderthals and it's likely that modern humans first evolved in the Balkans, not Africa. Humans then went back to Africa and interbred with a separate homonid there. Asians descended from the Balkan humans who went east and then interbred with Neanderthals and Denisovans.

Primates evolved in Africa but the evidence now is pointing more towards the Balkans as the actual origin of Homo sapiens who then went to the rest of Europe, Asia, the Americas, and back to Africa.

samurai_science said:

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The studies on Genetics and IQ have been done and its irrefutable. Education, money and opportunities will not change it.

The science and data does not care about progressive feelings and that's why so many of them try to deny the truth and blame it on "economics".

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Say again? That is certainly not true of volcanology and its a similar age of science. What makes what is done to date so special? Both present day (tainted by wokeness) and 19th C and early 20th (tainted by racial ideas) are a bit suspect and were not conducted with anything like Vulcan detachment.

That leaves a narrow window at the end of the 20th Century. Was it so infallible and conclusive? What did it find?

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Everything is governed by genetics, that's how it works. And I do mean everything from how religious you are, to how politically conservative or liberal you are relative to society, how disgusted you are by gays, what kind of foods you like, how likely you are to be promiscuous or not, your intelligence, your discipline, your laziness, your ability to fix things with your hands, etc.

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This seems rather unlikely. Its not even clear how genes could determine such things because some of those kind of response are what your life experiences prioritize or put in front of you first. Which has everything to do with environment? If you tracked your own life well, you can even recall when had other stances and dispositions.

This without disputing its importance. It just seems very over-weighted.

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Whether you want to believe it or not, that is reality. Why would you think your genes wouldn't make you act a certain way when this is literally the sole reason for why all animals behave the way they do? Do you think humans are somehow unique and not subject to the same rules as every other species on the planet?