Oooh waiting for Lot Y to do the same thing he did in the last thread on this subject and tell us that the Mayors and DAs of the Leftist cities with sky high murder rates have ZERO control over their cities and it's the fault of republicans who haven't held power in these cities since WW2 ended

*Popcorn*

Manhattan said:

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The backlog predates Democratic control of Harris co!

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There is always a court backlog.

The party you support made it 10,000 times worse.

Just for once, quit twisting the facts or outright lying.

Clob94 said:

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There's lies
There's damn lies
And then there's statistics the msm and cm's ........

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fify

ProgN said:

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https://richmond.com/opinion/columnists/the-red-state-murder-problem-thats-just-a-democratic-driven-myth/article_45c268f4-27c6-531b-89ce-d1561bd29862.html

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With Republicans hammering them over rising murder rates, Democrats have come up with a new line of defense: Republicans, they claim, are the ones really responsible for the surge in homicides. The U.S., California Gov. Gavin Newsom, a Democrat, recently declared, has a "red state murder problem."

No, it doesn't. The bogus claim comes from a March study by the Democratic think tank Third Way, which purports to show that, contrary to "the right-wing obsession over homicides in Democratic cities: murder rates are far higher in Trump-voting red states than Biden-voting blue states." According to Third Way, of the top 10 states with the highest per-capita murder rates in 2020, eight (Missouri, Louisiana, Kentucky, Alabama, Tennessee, South Carolina, Mississippi and Arkansas) voted for Donald Trump, while just two (New Mexico and Georgia) voted for Joe Biden. "Republicans seem to do a much better job of talking about stopping crime than stopping crime," Jim Kessler, an author of the report, told Axios.

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One problem with that: In most of these red states, the high murder rates are driven by the lethal violence in their blue cities.

Take Missouri. Yes, it voted for Trump. But it is also home to two of the most dangerous U.S. cities St. Louis and Kansas City both of which are run by Democrats. Earlier this year, CBS News did an analysis of the "deadliest U.S. cities" using the latest FBI and other crime data. In 2019, it found, St. Louis had the highest murder rate in the nation, with 64.54 murders per 100,000 residents. Kansas City, meanwhile, had the eighth-highest murder rate, with 29.88 murders per 100,000. According to the FBI, the state had about 520 murders in major metropolitan areas that year, 20 in cities outside metropolitan areas, and 28 in nonmetropolitan counties. So, the vast majority of Missouri's homicides took place in its Democrat-run cities.

The same is true for Louisiana, which has two of the most lethal Democratic-run cities in the country: Baton Rouge, which in 2019 had the sixth-highest murder rate in the nation with 31.72 murders per 100,000 residents, and New Orleans, which had the seventh-highest rate with 30.67 murders per 100,000. Without those cities, the state's murder rate would significantly drop.

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There's more facts in the article but too much to bring in.

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Third Way also claims that 3 of the 5 states with the largest increase in murder rate between 2019 and 2021 were "decidedly rural" red states "Trump-voting Wyoming at 91.7%, South Dakota at 69%, and Nebraska at 59.1%." Sounds terrible. Here's what they left out: According to FBI data, Wyoming had a grand total of 13 murders in 2019, or 2.2 per 100,000 residents, while South Dakota had 17 and Nebraska had 45. So even if Wyoming's murder rate nearly doubled, it still saw fewer than 30 murders in 2021. What else are these red states missing besides large murder numbers? Large, crime-ridden, Democratic-run cities.

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To argue, as Third Way does, that "murder rates are actually higher in Republican, Trump-voting states" without pointing out that those rates are driven by the slaughter taking place in Democratic-voting blue cities is intentionally misleading.

The fact is, the red state murder problem is really a red state murder myth.

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This is a really good read and shocked that it appeared in The Washington Post.

TL;DR: Progressives lie and distort the truth for propaganda because their voters are dumbasses.

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Ha. I know one of the principals in Third Way. He's pro choice, anti guns, open borders, raising taxes, etc etc…..here's the amazing thing….he consider himself and Third Way to be Centrists!!

Ask him why he hates America and wants to destroy her. I'd love to hear what he says.

Guys the elephant in the room here is that the South has very large numbers of black Americans who tend to commit very high numbers of murder on a per capita basis.

So democratic Vermont will always have a lower murder rate per capita than ruby red Mississippi.

I remember when the Texas government forced Austin to defund their police, and forced their hard left Soros DA to not prosecute violent criminals leading to a record murder rate in 2021.

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/685815783/meet-black-girl-magic-the-19-african-american-women-elected-as-judges-in-texas

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https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/685815783/meet-black-girl-magic-the-19-african-american-women-elected-as-judges-in-texas

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All rode in on Beta's coattails in 2018 and have completely destroyed Harris County.

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Manhattan said:

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There are violent felons out on cash bail committing crimes due to the lack of state courts.

Kim Ogg is a problem but the bigger problem is the state.

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That's some serious mental gymnastics. But that is your MO.

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I for one, support stupid mental gymnastics.
I would love nothing more than liberals to suffer the consequences of their voting habits.

#DefundTheCops already

I sure wish we still Johnny Holmes running the da office.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/dealing-out-death/

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Ask him why he hates America and wants to destroy her. I'd love to hear what he says.

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I'm actually getting together with him in a couple months while in Dc. I'll ask.

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ProgN said:

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Ask him why he hates America and wants to destroy her. I'd love to hear what he says.

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I'm actually getting together with him in a couple months while in Dc. I'll ask.

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Get back to us please.

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Now do blue cities in red states vs blue cities in blue states.

States control way more than the cities do.

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Let's look at 2 cities of similar size - one in a blue state, one in red state.

City A had 797 murders in 2021. City B had 473 murders in 2021.

City A is Chicago...pretty sure Illinois is DARK blue. (and Chicago is even DARKER blue)

City B is Houston...Texas is light red...(but Houston is medium blue)

Chicago has VERY STRICT gun control laws as does the state of Illinois.

Houston has NO gun control laws and the state of Texas has Constitutional Carry, meaning EVERYONE who's allowed legally can go strapped.

Wait...what was your point again?

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False - Texas is medium red. Any double digit win is medium +

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fka ftc said:

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Manhattan said:

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Now do blue cities in red states vs blue cities in blue states.

States control way more than the cities do.

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False. Local DAs prosecute these crimes not state attorney generals. Educate yourself and come back to discuss.

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Harris co Texas has had a sever backlog of felony cases since Hurricane Harvey, because the state refueled to open an adequate number of courts.

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Any alleged "backlog" is more attributable to Covid lockdowns and the cessation of court proceedings than Harvey.

Your ability to routinely offer ridiculously stupid takes indicates you are this forum's greatest troll, OR, you are thankful for Biden so you don't occupy "World's Dumbest" all by yourself!

So the conservatives and typical Republican murderers are all in the backlog?

Sounds legit.

You're lying. We'll play tomorrow if you're still in the mood.

Manhattan said:

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Now do blue cities in red states vs blue cities in blue states.

States control way more than the cities do.

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Wrong. Not when crime enforcement at the local level and your Soros bought off DA's are using 'prosecutorial discretion' to NOT go after violent criminals.

Ken Paxton talked about how in Texas, he has very little enforcement ability at the AG level in Texas. This is true, often, in Red states because of the deference for local control.

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Manhattan said:

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Now do blue cities in red states vs blue cities in blue states.

States control way more than the cities do.

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Let's look at 2 cities of similar size - one in a blue state, one in red state.

City A had 797 murders in 2021. City B had 473 murders in 2021.

City A is Chicago...pretty sure Illinois is DARK blue. (and Chicago is even DARKER blue)

City B is Houston...Texas is light red...(but Houston is medium blue)

Chicago has VERY STRICT gun control laws as does the state of Illinois.

Houston has NO gun control laws and the state of Texas has Constitutional Carry, meaning EVERYONE who's allowed legally can go strapped.

Wait...what was your point again?

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What he is saying is no matter what facts you give him, he is going to actually try to defend the Democrats on their abysmal record on crime -- particularly in the cities that they control.

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Now do blue cities in red states vs blue cities in blue states.

States control way more than the cities do.

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There you go….. head in sand.

The crime is occurring where the blue voters are. Period! The murders are happening where the blue voters are! It is really not hard to understand.

You have to lie, cheat, and manipulate in order to ever make the policies of biden and his ilk, or handlers or whatever you want to call them, look good.

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fka ftc said:

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Manhattan said:

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Now do blue cities in red states vs blue cities in blue states.

States control way more than the cities do.

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False. Local DAs prosecute these crimes not state attorney generals. Educate yourself and come back to discuss.

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Harris co Texas has had a sever backlog of felony cases since Hurricane Harvey, because the state refueled to open an adequate number of courts.

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Complete and utter lie. Has a backlog because judges are scared of covid still

Take a guess where literally all the crime is? pic.twitter.com/iRoLcOPH3Q

— NevilleTheCat (@FearTheFloof) October 22, 2022

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Manhattan said:

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The backlog predates Democratic control of Harris co!

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There is always a court backlog.

The party you support made it 10,000 times worse.

Just for once, quit twisting the facts or outright lying.

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I've seen this clown on here enough to know he will never accept the truth for what it is. He is either a moronic true believer, an absolute troll, or incapable of telling the truth.

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Rapier108 said:

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Manhattan said:

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The backlog predates Democratic control of Harris co!

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There is always a court backlog.

The party you support made it 10,000 times worse.

Just for once, quit twisting the facts or outright lying.

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I've seen this clown on here enough to know he will never accept the truth for what it is. He is either a moronic true believer, an absolute troll, or incapable of telling the truth.

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Cue the "Why not both?" gif machine.

Anyone with an ounce of snap knows which demographic areas crime is out of control in and the honest residents in those areas also know why.

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Manhattan said:

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Manhattan said:

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Now do blue cities in red states vs blue cities in blue states.

States control way more than the cities do.

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False. Local DAs prosecute these crimes not state attorney generals. Educate yourself and come back to discuss.

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Harris co Texas has had a sever backlog of felony cases since Hurricane Harvey, because the state refueled to open an adequate number of courts.

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Harvey ****ed up Port A, Rockport, and all the towns in that area much worse.

I wonder why THEY don't have that same problem.

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They did, for a while during the covid stuff they couldn't even arrest anyone for less than a felony because there was no "safe" place to put them. I was for handcuffing them to trees but no one took up that suggestion.

That area has a serious drug problem.

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Ag with kids said:

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Manhattan said:

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fka ftc said:

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Manhattan said:

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Now do blue cities in red states vs blue cities in blue states.

States control way more than the cities do.

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False. Local DAs prosecute these crimes not state attorney generals. Educate yourself and come back to discuss.

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Harris co Texas has had a sever backlog of felony cases since Hurricane Harvey, because the state refueled to open an adequate number of courts.

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Harvey ****ed up Port A, Rockport, and all the towns in that area much worse.

I wonder why THEY don't have that same problem.

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They did, for a while during the covid stuff they couldn't even arrest anyone for less than a felony because there was no "safe" place to put them. I was for handcuffing them to trees but no one took up that suggestion.

That area has a serious drug problem.

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It was full of murders like Houston because of Harvey????

Manhattan said:

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Now do blue cities in red states vs blue cities in blue states.

States control way more than the cities do.

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Manhattan needs a refresher course on government.
The city (and county) has its own police force and its own police chief. A county has their own DA and local judges.

The state has their own law enforcement, (such as the Rangers), which do not necessarily interfere with the local police force, unless requested. Same for the National Guard (state).

The city is the first line of law enforcement not the state. A blue city has a blue local government. The local government appoints the leadership for the police force, not the state. Finally the county DA is elected by the people of a given county. If that county is blue, the DA will be blue. It is the DA that prosecutes the crime. The state does not control the local DA. Finally, state does not control any of the elected judges.

So the "way more" control you speak of is non-sensical.

ProgN said:

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https://richmond.com/opinion/columnists/the-red-state-murder-problem-thats-just-a-democratic-driven-myth/article_45c268f4-27c6-531b-89ce-d1561bd29862.html

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With Republicans hammering them over rising murder rates, Democrats have come up with a new line of defense: Republicans, they claim, are the ones really responsible for the surge in homicides. The U.S., California Gov. Gavin Newsom, a Democrat, recently declared, has a "red state murder problem."

No, it doesn't. The bogus claim comes from a March study by the Democratic think tank Third Way, which purports to show that, contrary to "the right-wing obsession over homicides in Democratic cities: murder rates are far higher in Trump-voting red states than Biden-voting blue states." According to Third Way, of the top 10 states with the highest per-capita murder rates in 2020, eight (Missouri, Louisiana, Kentucky, Alabama, Tennessee, South Carolina, Mississippi and Arkansas) voted for Donald Trump, while just two (New Mexico and Georgia) voted for Joe Biden. "Republicans seem to do a much better job of talking about stopping crime than stopping crime," Jim Kessler, an author of the report, told Axios.

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One problem with that: In most of these red states, the high murder rates are driven by the lethal violence in their blue cities.

Take Missouri. Yes, it voted for Trump. But it is also home to two of the most dangerous U.S. cities St. Louis and Kansas City both of which are run by Democrats. Earlier this year, CBS News did an analysis of the "deadliest U.S. cities" using the latest FBI and other crime data. In 2019, it found, St. Louis had the highest murder rate in the nation, with 64.54 murders per 100,000 residents. Kansas City, meanwhile, had the eighth-highest murder rate, with 29.88 murders per 100,000. According to the FBI, the state had about 520 murders in major metropolitan areas that year, 20 in cities outside metropolitan areas, and 28 in nonmetropolitan counties. So, the vast majority of Missouri's homicides took place in its Democrat-run cities.

The same is true for Louisiana, which has two of the most lethal Democratic-run cities in the country: Baton Rouge, which in 2019 had the sixth-highest murder rate in the nation with 31.72 murders per 100,000 residents, and New Orleans, which had the seventh-highest rate with 30.67 murders per 100,000. Without those cities, the state's murder rate would significantly drop.

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There's more facts in the article but too much to bring in.

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Third Way also claims that 3 of the 5 states with the largest increase in murder rate between 2019 and 2021 were "decidedly rural" red states "Trump-voting Wyoming at 91.7%, South Dakota at 69%, and Nebraska at 59.1%." Sounds terrible. Here's what they left out: According to FBI data, Wyoming had a grand total of 13 murders in 2019, or 2.2 per 100,000 residents, while South Dakota had 17 and Nebraska had 45. So even if Wyoming's murder rate nearly doubled, it still saw fewer than 30 murders in 2021. What else are these red states missing besides large murder numbers? Large, crime-ridden, Democratic-run cities.

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To argue, as Third Way does, that "murder rates are actually higher in Republican, Trump-voting states" without pointing out that those rates are driven by the slaughter taking place in Democratic-voting blue cities is intentionally misleading.

The fact is, the red state murder problem is really a red state murder myth.

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This is a really good read and shocked that it appeared in The Washington Post.

TL;DR: Progressives lie and distort the truth for propaganda because their voters are dumbasses.

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This whole premise takes advantage of the fact that a vast majority of Americans do not know how to think critically. Our spoon fed culture of regurgitating talking points from our media and news headlines is proof point #1. It's just ridiculous how many weak people will eat up this inane argument.