Fetuses aren't infants.

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Fetuses aren't infants.

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So when does a fetus become an infant?

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They haven't need to because Abortion up to viability was legal in this country....

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Roe was overturned months ago. Not one Democrat has ever proposed anything close to that.

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Republicans are the ones that passed laws forcing 10 year old rape victims to give birth, they need to repeal the law.

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Quit repeating this lie. Republicans in Texas made it illegal to have an abortion. They didn't issue a travel ban or make it illegal for the girl to leave the state. They aren't forcing her to give birth.

You are pretty much going by the lib playbook "keep telling the lie until it's accepted as the truth".

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So if you are 10 years old and pregnant and "in Texas" you have to give birth. That is called forced birth.

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Kvetch said:

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Manhattan said:

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They haven't need to because Abortion up to viability was legal in this country....

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Roe was overturned months ago. Not one Democrat has ever proposed anything close to that.

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Republicans are the ones that passed laws forcing 10 year old rape victims to give birth, they need to repeal the law.

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Quit repeating this lie. Republicans in Texas made it illegal to have an abortion. They didn't issue a travel ban or make it illegal for the girl to leave the state. They aren't forcing her to give birth.

You are pretty much going by the lib playbook "keep telling the lie until it's accepted as the truth".

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So if you are 10 years old and pregnant and "in Texas" you have to give birth. That is called forced birth.

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This happened in Texas?

You are way too emotional on this to engage in meaningful debate.

[We've given you more leeway here than you've earned on this thread. Either you start posting verifiable evidence of your statements about 10 year olds in Texas and the GOP party official positions on this issue or you will be given time off. - Staff]

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Fetuses aren't infants.

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Yet we still count premature births toward infant mortality when they very well may be at the exact same level of development as those "fetuses."

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dermdoc said:

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Manhattan said:

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87IE said:

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Manhattan said:

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Kvetch said:

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Manhattan said:

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They haven't need to because Abortion up to viability was legal in this country....

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Roe was overturned months ago. Not one Democrat has ever proposed anything close to that.

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Republicans are the ones that passed laws forcing 10 year old rape victims to give birth, they need to repeal the law.

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Quit repeating this lie. Republicans in Texas made it illegal to have an abortion. They didn't issue a travel ban or make it illegal for the girl to leave the state. They aren't forcing her to give birth.

You are pretty much going by the lib playbook "keep telling the lie until it's accepted as the truth".

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So if you are 10 years old and pregnant and "in Texas" you have to give birth. That is called forced birth.

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This happened in Texas?

You are way too emotional on this to engage in meaningful debate.

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Statically, it happening in Ohio weeks after the scotus decision means similar circumstances have happened in Texas.

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Cool. Did it happen in Texas?

And if fetuses aren't infants, then why are people charged with double homicides if they kill a pregnant woman?

Manhattan said:

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dermdoc said:

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Manhattan said:

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87IE said:

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Manhattan said:

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Kvetch said:

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Manhattan said:

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They haven't need to because Abortion up to viability was legal in this country....

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Roe was overturned months ago. Not one Democrat has ever proposed anything close to that.

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Republicans are the ones that passed laws forcing 10 year old rape victims to give birth, they need to repeal the law.

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Quit repeating this lie. Republicans in Texas made it illegal to have an abortion. They didn't issue a travel ban or make it illegal for the girl to leave the state. They aren't forcing her to give birth.

You are pretty much going by the lib playbook "keep telling the lie until it's accepted as the truth".

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So if you are 10 years old and pregnant and "in Texas" you have to give birth. That is called forced birth.

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This happened in Texas?

You are way too emotional on this to engage in meaningful debate.

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Statically, it happening in Ohio weeks after the scotus decision means similar circumstances have happened in Texas.

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Wait.. the victims in Ohio were forced to give birth?

To your first answer the state isn't forcing her to have the baby. She is free to leave the state if she and her family decide to have an abortion... Keep in mind that the Plan B pill is still available in Texas.. Then again, based on your posting history you won't let facts get in the way of your lies....

Keyword birth.

The way the laws are correctly written.

[Citation needed. -staff]

So when has this happened in Texas?

Your words not mine.

Lose the emotion and think critically.

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Keyword birth.

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So traveling through the birth canal makes one a human? No point up until birth are you more than a clump of cells?

Fetus is just a technical term that means a baby before birth. Just like infant and toddler are different stages of development. Killing someone at the fetus stage is no different than killing them at the infant or toddler stage.

Your evil bull**** doesn't stand up to even the lightest of scrutiny.

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Keyword birth.

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So traveling through the north canal makes one a human? No point up until birth are you more than a clump of cells?

Fetus is just a technical term that means a baby before birth. Just like infant and toddler are different stages of development. Killing someone at the fetus stage is no different than killing them at the infant or toddler stage.

Your evil bull**** doesn't stand up to even the lightest of scrutiny.

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And calling a clump of cells at 10 weeks doesnt make some one a person, if you put a person on a table, they don't die immediately.

If existence relies on the sole willingness of one person, you aren't a person.

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Keyword birth.

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So traveling through the north canal makes one a human? No point up until birth are you more than a clump of cells?

Fetus is just a technical term that means a baby before birth. Just like infant and toddler are different stages of development. Killing someone at the fetus stage is no different than killing them at the infant or toddler stage.

Your evil bull**** doesn't stand up to even the lightest of scrutiny.

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And calling a clump of cells at 10 weeks doesnt make some one a person, if you put a person on a table, they don't die immediately.

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So when is abortion murder?

When is a baby viable?

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Manhattan said:

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Keyword birth.

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So traveling through the north canal makes one a human? No point up until birth are you more than a clump of cells?

Fetus is just a technical term that means a baby before birth. Just like infant and toddler are different stages of development. Killing someone at the fetus stage is no different than killing them at the infant or toddler stage.

Your evil bull**** doesn't stand up to even the lightest of scrutiny.

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And calling a clump of cells at 10 weeks doesnt make some one a person, if you put a person on a table, they don't die immediately.

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Except for the fact that we live in time, and we know for a fact how that "clump of cells" will continue to develop if you don't actively murder it. If someone is in a coma and I know for certain that they will be fine in 6 months, I would be morally wrong to turn off the life support. That would be the intentional killing of a human being. What we refer to as murder.

You still have no point.

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If existence relies on the sole willingness of one person, you aren't a person.

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Bull***** An infant's existence is 100% reliant on another person. As are some elderly care patients and hospitalized patients. You going to advocate for murdering anyone who is dependent?

Evil.

Murder is a legal term, it is never murder when it is up to the mother.

A fetus is viable when it can be safely delivered.

Manhattan said:

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Murder is a legal term, it is never murder when it is up to the mother.

A fetus is viable when it can be safely delivered.

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So when is that?

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If existence relies on the sole willingness of one person, you aren't a person.

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. Bull***** An infant's existence is 100% reliant on another person. As are some elderly care patients and hospitalized patients. You going to advocate for murdering anyone who is dependent?

Evil.

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One person. A living breathing infant will be taken care of.

Democrat passed laws such as Medicaid expansion help take care of that.

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Murder is a legal term, it is never murder when it is up to the mother.

A fetus is viable when it can be safely delivered.

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And mothers can kill babies and it is okay?

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Manhattan said:

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If existence relies on the sole willingness of one person, you aren't a person.

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. Bull***** An infant's existence is 100% reliant on another person. As are some elderly care patients and hospitalized patients. You going to advocate for murdering anyone who is dependent?

Evil.

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One person. A living breathing infant will be taken care of.

Democrat passed laws such as Medicaid expansion help take care of that.

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Troll. This is the worst argument I've ever seen.

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Keyword birth.

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So traveling through the north canal makes one a human? No point up until birth are you more than a clump of cells?

Fetus is just a technical term that means a baby before birth. Just like infant and toddler are different stages of development. Killing someone at the fetus stage is no different than killing them at the infant or toddler stage.

Your evil bull**** doesn't stand up to even the lightest of scrutiny.

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And calling a clump of cells at 10 weeks doesnt make some one a person, if you put a person on a table, they don't die immediately.

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When does the clump of cells become a person. Be specific and show your work.

Read the thread.

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Murder is a legal term, it is never murder when it is up to the mother.

A fetus is viable when it can be safely delivered.

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But it is, by definition, homicide.

Come to terms with that.

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Keyword birth.

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So traveling through the north canal makes one a human? No point up until birth are you more than a clump of cells?

Fetus is just a technical term that means a baby before birth. Just like infant and toddler are different stages of development. Killing someone at the fetus stage is no different than killing them at the infant or toddler stage.

Your evil bull**** doesn't stand up to even the lightest of scrutiny.

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And calling a clump of cells at 10 weeks doesnt make some one a person, if you put a person on a table, they don't die immediately.

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Bah I wish I didn't even reply to you. Gives you more credibility than you deserve.

"Clump of cells at 10 weeks"

What an ignorant statement.

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Read the thread.

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Support your argument.

The homicide mention brings to mind the real crux of the issue. The faux privacy. Executions are not allowed
to be in secret. You know the data and the when, and the whole context.

If abortions had to be publicly noted, the ones for frivolous reasons would go away.

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Read the thread.

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Support your argument.

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He can't. Nobody can support the idiotic nonsense he's spouting in any serious way. He's just trolling.

Manhattan said:

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Keyword birth.

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So traveling through the north canal makes one a human? No point up until birth are you more than a clump of cells?

Fetus is just a technical term that means a baby before birth. Just like infant and toddler are different stages of development. Killing someone at the fetus stage is no different than killing them at the infant or toddler stage.

Your evil bull**** doesn't stand up to even the lightest of scrutiny.

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And calling a clump of cells at 10 weeks doesnt make some one a person, if you put a person on a table, they don't die immediately.

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Actually, I take my last post back. You decided to be a gatekeeper on when a human has a right to their life based on your own definition of personhood.

This is a rhetorical question and doesn't need an answer:

On a scale of 1-10 (1 being the worst and 10 being perfect) how would you rate humanity's track record for deciding some humans have rights and others don't? And assuming, like me, you rate it poorly, what makes you so sure that this time you got it right?

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Read the thread.

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Support your argument.

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He can't. Nobody can support the idiotic nonsense he's spouting in any serious way. He's just trolling.

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I'm not going in circle, that's ezban.

Do you think someone born when their mom is 21 because their mom had an abortion at 10 weeks when they were 16 shouldn't exist?

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Read the thread.

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Support your argument.

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He can't. Nobody can support the idiotic nonsense he's spouting in any serious way. He's just trolling.

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I'm not going in circle, that's ezban.

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Every time he's proven to be totally and completely wrong he pretends he already answered the question earlier or in another thread

This is no different