Manhattan said:

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Idk, that's not the subject of the OP.

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Translation:

"A LOT more, but I don't want to admit it"

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Kvetch said:

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OG UNF said:

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Kids shouldn't have kids. Change my mind.

Abortion should be perfectly legal for like 8-10 weeks post conception.

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Explain why your arbitrary feelings on where life begins should constitute a deadline for abortion. When does it become murder? Why 8-10 weeks?

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Because a reasonable agreement on what is acceptable is necessary to move forward as a nation, and losing the Union and/or TX to war along this divide is impractical.

Late term abortion is unacceptable to me. Morning after pills and ectopic pregnancies don't move the needle for me morally. Particularly with girls I their teens. So I lean over conservative on it being ok long before a child might feel pain or cognition as an ok compromise.

Edit - and not trying to argue, bud. I understand where you're coming from.

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I don't find that persuasive. Nobody plants themselves on the hill that ectopic pregnancies or morning after pills are the problem, so that's basically a moot point.

I understand where you're coming from, too, but I think it's a naive position. If you don't have a basic moral standard upon which your position is built, the side that wants more will always push (and get) more. If you need evidence of this, look at the slippery slope of every cultural issue over the last 50 years. On certain issues, you just have to stand up and say "No, this is wrong, and we will not permit it."

Arguing about the fringe cases is always a bad faith argument. Do I believe kids should have kids? No. But I understand that it's a fallen world and committing an evil act to somehow try to rectify a sad situation isn't an actual solution. As long as it's not a threat to the life of a mother, avenues like adoption are readily available and provide a reasonable solution to those cases without killing a human being.

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IslanderAg04 said:

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Manhattan said:

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Republicans could have done that in any state where they have banned abortion. They chose to punish 10 year old girls, and Abbott's case, lie about eliminating rape.

And to address your detail, I have a thread on arresting those that hire illegal immigrants, until the law is changed, that is the solution.

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You're behind the curve dude. This has been tried numerous times under Obama, and yet got turned down. It's literally one of the pushes that led to the repeal of row v wade.

Plus your state supports wide open baby killing. So you're in the clear if you knock up your sancha.

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If you don't know the difference between an unviable fetus and a baby you might need to go to science class with KBJ.

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Please tell us, what does an unviable fetus mean?

So are people that are having abortions now called or calling themselves mothers? Or are mothers agreeing with abortions?

Equally both are jacked up!

Why did they choose some and not others? If they are mothers?

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Hammerly High Dive Crips said:

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Manhattan said:

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Because 10 year olds now have to travel to a different state to get an abortion, it already happened in Ohio.

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When people have to focus on the one in a million cases, you know they are clinging desperately to a BSC stance. Pretty sure in most states that would fall under "life of the mother". A ten year old giving birth is not supposed to happen and a very clear threat to her life.

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Then why did she have to travel to a different state? This is what Republicans want, 10 year olds having babies. Maybe make an exception for rape if you don't want that….

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So all the Minor Attracted People can have 'consensual sex' with as many 10 year olds as they want. That's what Democrats support. Democrat party is ****ing satan incarnate.

The ad perfectly depicts women who abort babies as murderous monsters.

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Because 10 year olds now have to travel to a different state to get an abortion, it already happened in Ohio.

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Typical lib response. Everyone must confirm to the desires of the .00001% of the population.

Manhattan said:

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Because 10 year olds now have to travel to a different state to get an abortion, it already happened in Ohio.

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So, let me get this straight, because you have confused me...

A 10-year-old girl is raped, and doesn't tell anyone until she's showing a bun, or;

A 10-year-old girl is raped, comes home and tells Mom and Dad, who then shush the little girl to keep it quiet, cause, "We don't want the neighbors to find out, they'll think we're bad parents."

So my question is, WTF is wrong with these parents? Either they are raising a daughter who is afraid to tell Mom or Dad she was raped, or Mom and Dad are so void of morals to place reputation above the health of their daughter...And you find fault with the law...

I don't know the timing, but the Illegal who raped her evidently did it at least twice...and the young girl exhibited no change in behavior after the first, let alone the second? Nor did the parents note any changes?

Did they even go to a local doctor, or just run to Indiana to clean up the mess they themselves created??

Manhattan, you obviously did no research on the issue, only offered a flippant opinion that matched your ingrained agenda.

Sorry to say you may be an Aggie. But for sure you don't convey it.

Or stepdad rapes her and mom blames her for being a tempting harlot.

And she is pulled out of school, kept hidden for months, and then the parents feign shock and anger when she goes into labor.

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Garrelli 5000 said:

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It's because Manhattan is a staff approved troll. He'll take the craziest of bat crap crazy liberal side for 100% of political topics.

Unlike non troll posters that will engage in dialogue, he's troll with free rein to troll. Non trolls also have a very short leash. His is non existent.

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It is not not a troll, or even a liberal argument to say that 10 year old rape victims shouldn't be forced to give birth.

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So discus an exemption for rape. Which republicans continually do. I ask for the third ****ing time, why do liberals always vote it down to make exclusions for rape. This has happened here in Texas when the heart beat bill was passed. It's always all or nothing with liberal leaders. This is what has riled up the current liberal kabal. The old doormat republicans are getting run out, and liberal leaders dont know how to negotiate. They just alienate, using extremes as fuel.

The fact that you say crap like "republicans want 10 year olds to get raped, and forced to have the baby" is why you're seen as a joke on this board.

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So discus an exemption for rape. Which republicans continually do. I ask for the third ****ing time, why do liberals always vote it down to make exclusions for rape. This has happened here in Texas when the heart beat bill was passed. It's always all or nothing with liberal leaders. This is what has riled up the current liberal kabal. The old doormat republicans are getting run out, and liberal leaders dont know how to negotiate. They just alienate, using extremes as fuel.

The fact that you say crap like "republicans want 10 year olds to get raped, and forced to have the baby" is why you're seen as a joke on this board.

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Democrats had no input on the current laws in Texas. Republicans are the only ones forcing 10 year old rape victims to give birth.

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So discus an exemption for rape. Which republicans continually do. I ask for the third ****ing time, why do liberals always vote it down to make exclusions for rape. This has happened here in Texas when the heart beat bill was passed. It's always all or nothing with liberal leaders. This is what has riled up the current liberal kabal. The old doormat republicans are getting run out, and liberal leaders dont know how to negotiate. They just alienate, using extremes as fuel.

The fact that you say crap like "republicans want 10 year olds to get raped, and forced to have the baby" is why you're seen as a joke on this board.

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Democrats had no input on the current laws in Texas. Republicans are the only ones forcing 10 year old rape victims to give birth.

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What a joke. What input should the democrats have had that they were denied? That was the entire point of his post. The democrats aren't fighting for the fringe cases that you're pretending to care about. They are using them as a political pawn to support murdering all babies.

Troll away.

the fringe cases only exist because Republicans like punishing 10 year old rape victims.

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the fringe cases only exist because Republicans like punishing 10 year old rape victims.

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So rape occurs because of Republicans? And the 1 in a million case is grounds to systematically murder the other million perfectly healthy babies?

You are so ridiculous.

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Manhattan said:

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the fringe cases only exist because Republicans like punishing 10 year old rape victims.

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So rape occurs because of Republicans? And the 1 in a million case is grounds to systematically murder the other million perfectly healthy babies?

You are so ridiculous.

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Nobody in this thread is claiming that. Start with the age of consent in Texas is 17 so anyone under 17 should be able to get an abortion.

Manhattan said:

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Kvetch said:

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Manhattan said:

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the fringe cases only exist because Republicans like punishing 10 year old rape victims.

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So rape occurs because of Republicans? And the 1 in a million case is grounds to systematically murder the other million perfectly healthy babies?

You are so ridiculous.

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Nobody in this thread is claiming that. Start with the age of consent in Texas is 17 so anyone under 17 should be able to get an abortion.

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If a 16 year old girl has consensual sex with an 18 year old boy, it isn't rape.

It isn't consensual according to Texas law, but it there is an affirmative defense for the 18 year old against sexual assault.

Manhattan said:

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Kvetch said:

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Manhattan said:

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the fringe cases only exist because Republicans like punishing 10 year old rape victims.

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So rape occurs because of Republicans? And the 1 in a million case is grounds to systematically murder the other million perfectly healthy babies?

You are so ridiculous.

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Nobody in this thread is claiming that. Start with the age of consent in Texas is 17 so anyone under 17 should be able to get an abortion.

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When have Democrats ever proposed anything close to that? It doesn't make any sense logically, but I guarantee you Republicans would sign on to that if all other abortions were banned.

They haven't need to because abortion up to viability was legal in this country....

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They haven't need to because Abortion up to viability was legal in this country....

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Roe was overturned months ago. Not one Democrat has ever proposed anything close to that.

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It isn't consensual according to Texas law, but it there is an affirmative defense for the 18 year old against sexual assault.

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Yes, if it was 'consensual.'

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Manhattan said:

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They haven't need to because Abortion up to viability was legal in this country....

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Roe was overturned months ago. Not one Democrat has ever proposed anything close to that.

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Republicans are the ones that passed laws forcing 10 year old rape victims to give birth, they need to repeal the law.

The brutal truth is national laws should not take fringes into account. Can't run any major culture that way. Besides, this is just being used by the Dems-MSM as a talking point. No real caring drives any of it. The policies show it.

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Kvetch said:

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Manhattan said:

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They haven't need to because Abortion up to viability was legal in this country....

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Roe was overturned months ago. Not one Democrat has ever proposed anything close to that.

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Republicans are the ones that passed laws forcing 10 year old rape victims to give birth, they need to repeal the law.

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No. HTH.

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the fringe cases only exist because Republicans like punishing 10 year old rape victims.

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Holy Jesus, man!!!

You should be in the hospital, you have been hit in the head so many times you should be worse off than Tua Tagovailoa.

Please, save your life, get off this board...or at least this thread.

It is sad that Republicans can't condemn their own party for punishing 10 year old rape victims, if you are for punishing 10 year old rape victims, just admit it.


It is incredibly sad that OP thinks a 10 year old getting an abortion is "abortion for convenience"

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HumpitPuryear said:

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In the vast majority of cases there is no incest or rape and the mother and baby are both healthy. Abortion has absolutely nothing to do with women's health and it damn sure isn't good for the health of unborn children.

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This is the correct answer.

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Then propose that and make it a law and let the left vote against it.

You know you've lost the argument when you're depending on a one in a million outlier fringe case to justify the daily slaughter of thousands of babies

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You know you've lost the argument when you're depending on a one in a million outlier fringe case to justify the daily slaughter of thousands of babies

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The Republican Party give a single **** about any babies. Infant and maternal mortality in red states proves that.

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Maroon Dawn said:

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You know you've lost the argument when you're depending on a one in a million outlier fringe case to justify the daily slaughter of thousands of babies

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The Republican Party give a single **** about any babies. Infant and maternal mortality in red states proves that.

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What is the infant mortality for abortion?

100%

Weird emotional based argument.

dermdoc said:

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Manhattan said:

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Maroon Dawn said:

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You know you've lost the argument when you're depending on a one in a million outlier fringe case to justify the daily slaughter of thousands of babies

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The Republican Party give a single **** about any babies. Infant and maternal mortality in red states proves that.

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What is the infant mortality for abortion?

100%

Weird emotional based argument.

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There's no logic behind anything he says.

dermdoc said:

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Manhattan said:

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Maroon Dawn said:

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You know you've lost the argument when you're depending on a one in a million outlier fringe case to justify the daily slaughter of thousands of babies

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The Republican Party give a single **** about any babies. Infant and maternal mortality in red states proves that.

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What is the infant mortality for abortion?

100%

Weird emotional based argument.

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0%.

He's completely lost the argument and is now trying to pretend President PedoDementia is doing better than 4 years of peace and prosperity under Trump

Manhattan said:

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Kvetch said:

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Manhattan said:

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They haven't need to because Abortion up to viability was legal in this country....

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Roe was overturned months ago. Not one Democrat has ever proposed anything close to that.

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Republicans are the ones that passed laws forcing 10 year old rape victims to give birth, they need to repeal the law.

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Quit repeating this lie. Republicans in Texas made it illegal to have an abortion. They didn't issue a travel ban or make it illegal for the girl to leave the state. They aren't forcing her to give birth.

You are pretty much going by the lib playbook "keep telling the lie until it's accepted as the truth".

Manhattan said:

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dermdoc said:

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Manhattan said:

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Maroon Dawn said:

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You know you've lost the argument when you're depending on a one in a million outlier fringe case to justify the daily slaughter of thousands of babies

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The Republican Party give a single **** about any babies. Infant and maternal mortality in red states proves that.

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What is the infant mortality for abortion?

100%

Weird emotional based argument.

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0%.

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So you are saying there is zero percent infant mortality for abortion?

Please explain.