Brazil election is nuts

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Brazil feels like the worst case scenario for 2024 here if things get crazy.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/brazils-presidential-election-season-is-marred-by-violence-11664632154

"President Jair Bolsonaro and his leftist rival, Luiz Incio Lula da Silva, a former president who polls show will likely win, have taken to wearing bulletproof vests. At least two dozen candidates on the political left and right said they have requested police protection after receiving death threats from the opposition.

About 40 mainly local politicians from the left and the right were killed in the first half of this year, while some 170 others were victims of attempted murders, beatings, kidnappings and verbal attacks such as death threats related to their roles in office, according to a report from the Observatory of Political and Electoral Violence at the Federal University of the State of Rio de Janeiro. The level of attacks is some 50% more than during the previous six months, and more than a fourfold increase compared with the first half of 2019, when the group started tracking the data.

Mr. Bolsonaro has frequently said he suspects there will be widespread fraud in the election, without providing evidence, vowing to recognize the result only if it is "clean." His stance has raised concern among his supporters, many of whom have said they believe the election is about to be stolen. If Mr. Bolsonaro loses, it would be the first time since the early 1990s that an elected president has failed to win a second term.

"The country is deeply polarized, and these elections have been marked by a profound intolerance of political adversaries," said Mr. Borba, adding that violent political disputes between voters themselves have surged in recent months.

About two-thirds of voters in Brazil said they fear being attacked because of their political preferences, according to a Datafolha poll conducted in August, raising concern that the threat of violence could reduce voter turnout in the world's fourth-largest democracy. While voting is obligatory in Brazil, the fine for not doing so is largely symbolic at the equivalent of around 65 U.S. cents."
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oldord
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Do they use electronic tabulation?
Buck Turgidson
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The globalist left hates Bolsonaro. They will cheat at every opportunity to get rid of him.
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Voting integrity is a real problem that is growing and neither side of the aisles actually trust the system, unless they win.

Violence against politicians is surely increasing (note the Bernie bro shooting up the House Reps baseball game). I'm actually surprised nobody had made an attempt at Trump or Biden. There's some real craziness and true believers out there.

I think it only gets worse and we see an increase in civil wars globally.
HarleySpoon
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Is it still politically correct to say "Brazil nuts"…..or is it considered a trope these days?
BusterAg
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C@LAg said:

brazil nuts:




Once upon a time (2002 or so), I had a boss that was about 50 and from deep east Texas. An Asian woman asked my boss what you called these when we were at a work party, and, after a very awkward pause, I said Brazil nuts. She was very thankful. I got a raise. True story.
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms … disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes… . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”

--Thomas Jefferson
Dan Scott
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Polls now closed in Brazil
Woods Ag
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What else are they called?
RGLAG85
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Woods Ag said:

What else are they called?
Nasty! What else do you want to know?
Dan Scott
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Voting is mandatory in Brazil and there is a small fine for not voting. They expect about 80% turnout
Dan Scott
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Bolsonero up 48-43 with 20% of votes counted. Bloomberg saying early votes from Bolsonero favored area so the lead won't hold. It'll likely go to run-off
Dan Scott
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48-44 after 31% now. Minas Gerais The Brazilian swing state in tied.
Dan Scott
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47-44 after 41%
Dan Scott
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46-45 after 52%
Dan Scott
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Still Bolsonero 46-45 after 60%. Polls had him down 10% their polling must suck too.
Dan Scott
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Lula takes small lead 46-46 after 70%
Dan Scott
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47-45 Lula after 80%

Brazil has all electronic voting and final results provided within hours after polls closing. I didn't know that was possible.
ChemEAg08
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I have a guy voting for the lefty who is exactly as one would think of a leftist.

His dad is voting for Bolsonero so At least that evens out.
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Woods Ag said:

What else are they called?
When I was a kid and dinosaurs ruled the earth, they were often called (Black person) toes.
Silian Rail
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Bolsonaro needs to pull a Pinochet and seize control via a military coup if he cares for his country
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47-44 Luna after 92%

We'll do this again October 30
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Silian Rail said:

Bolsonaro needs to pull a Pinochet and seize control via a military coup if he cares for his country

I support this.
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Pinochet said:

Silian Rail said:

Bolsonaro needs to pull a Pinochet and seize control via a military coup if he cares for his country

I support this.

Name checks out for the free helicopter ride coupon code.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/03/world/americas/brazil-elections-runoff-bolsonaro-lula.html

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For months, pollsters and analysts had said that President Jair Bolsonaro was doomed. He faced a wide and unwavering deficit in Brazil's high-stakes presidential race, and in recent weeks, the polls had suggested he could even lose in the first round, ending his presidency after just one term.

Instead, it was Mr. Bolsonaro who was celebrating. While the challenger, Luiz Incio Lula da Silva, a former leftist president, finished the night ahead, Mr. Bolsonaro far outperformed forecasts and sent the race to a runoff.

Mr. da Silva received 48.4 percent of the votes, and Mr. Bolsonaro 43.23 percent, with 99.87 percent of the ballots counted, according to Brazil's elections agency. Mr. da Silva needed to exceed 50 percent to be elected president in the first round.

They will face off on Oct. 30 in what is widely regarded as the most important vote in decades for Latin America's largest nation.
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For months, Mr. Bolsonaro has criticized the nation's electronic voting machines as rife with fraud without any evidence and has suggested that the only way he would lose is if the election is rigged.

Mr. Bolsonaro told reporters late Sunday that he "overcame the lies" in the polls and that he felt he now had an advantage in the second round. Even with the positive results, he also suggested there could have been fraud, saying he would wait for the military to check the results.

"Our system is not 100 percent ironclad," he said. "There's always the possibility of something abnormal happening in a fully computerized system."

Mr. Bolsonaro had claimed for months that the polls were underestimating his support, using his enormous rallies as evidence. Yet, virtually every poll showed him behind. On Sunday, it was clear that he was right. He performed better in all of Brazil's 27 states than what Ipec, one of Brazil's biggest polling firms, had predicted a day before the election, exceeding the projections by at least 8 percentage points in 10 states.

Pollsters appeared to misjudge the strength of conservative candidates across the country. Governors and lawmakers supported by Mr. Bolsonaro also outperformed polls, winning many of their races on Sunday.
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Mr. Bolsonaro, 67, has made his campaign about protecting Brazil's conservative traditions from what he says are threats from leftist elites. He has made his campaign slogan "God, family, homeland and liberty," and he has vowed to fight against things like legalized drugs, legalized abortion, transgender rights and restrictions on freedom of religion and free speech.

Mr. Bolsonaro wants to further increase access to firearms, repeating in his stump speech that "armed people will never be enslaved." One of his main accomplishments during his first term was soaring gun ownership.

Facing a wide gap in polls, Mr. Bolsonaro recently expanded social welfare for poor families, and he has pledged to continue those policies during his second term.

Mr. Bolsonaro has also said he wants to sell Brazil's state-owned oil company, make it easier to mine in the Amazon rainforest and continue to reduce regulations on industry.
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Hammerly High Dive Crips
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Dan Scott said:

Bolsonero up 48-43 with 20% of votes counted. Bloomberg saying early votes from Bolsonero favored area so the lead won't hold. It'll likely go to run-off
I hope that he is victorious and puts the violent deranged left in (humane) camps and mental asylums. I am assuming their "left" is a bunch of depraved godless socialists?
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Silian Rail said:

Bolsonaro needs to pull a Pinochet and seize control via a military coup if he cares for his country
This. Make an example of the left for all the world to see. Godless leftists do not even deserve a seat at the table in determining the fate of any country. They are the seriously the number one threat to just about any half-developed or developed country. A cancer that eventually leads any country to ruin.
Agnes Moffitt Rollin 60's - RIP Casper and Lil Ricky - FREE GOOFY AND LUCKY!
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