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2wealfth Man said:

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I can't believe a state actor did this. There are logical reasons against it for practically everyone save Poland or someone out of left field.

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So you admit you're viewing this with a bias that it's impossible a state did this. That's a bad way to analyze data.

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I don't understand how people can't at least accept the possibility the NeoCons in the US/NATO took down NS2 to force a war; a war they've been wanting since the cold war.

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I could definitely buy us doing this. I don't think it's to force a war.

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Is Sleepy Joe wearing an earpiece in this clip? It could be for translations, but i dont know if he's talking to the foreign press or not. Guess I've just never seen anyone wearing one before.

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Hell yes he is. So who is his puppet master?

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2wealfth Man said:

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I can't believe a state actor did this. There are logical reasons against it for practically everyone save Poland or someone out of left field.

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So you admit you're viewing this with a bias that it's impossible a state did this. That's a bad way to analyze data.

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I don't understand how people can't at least accept the possibility the NeoCons in the US/NATO took down NS2 to force a war; a war they've been wanting since the cold war.

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I could definitely buy us doing this. I don't think it's to force a war.

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NS2 being brought down backs the EU into a corner and makes resolving things peacefully a lot more difficult.

the motivations are certainly obscure....

but the only real obvious one is that whoever did it wants europe to have less energy available, and wants russia to lose the bargaining power of having those pipelines reopened and supplying energy to europe.

the next most obvious would be who has a huge incentive for europe to find alternate energy sources.

the actors are also very obscure....

the only things we know for sure are:

1) there are no elected or senior bureaucratic leaders in western europe or america that are actually acting in the interests of their nation

2) all such western state actors in power are acting solely for the benefit of whichever of a very nebulous mix of true puppet international financial masters they actually serve

3) putin is acting in his own personal self interest, and seems to be an outsider to those factions

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I can't believe a state actor did this. There are logical reasons against it for practically everyone save Poland or someone out of left field.

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We talking undersea pipeline. I don't see how this would be possible without state support.

I guess you could drop an anchor on it or drag an anchor into it. Thats happened before on pipelines in the GOM and happens on occasion with undersea cables.

Possible but a hard sell imo. Somebody is watching everything that moves in that area.

Also don't forget the referendum about to take place.

Possible that the Ukes are making damn sure that the Euros don't cave on them to get their gas back and give the rus Crimea in a negotiated peace settlement? Idea starting to make some sense to me so somebody tell me why they wouldn't

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Possible that the Ukes are making damn sure that the Euros don't cave on them to get their gas back and give the rus Crimea in a negotiated peace settlement? Idea starting to make some sense to me so somebody tell me why they wouldn't

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While that is a compelling reason, I dont think the Ukes have the capability.

The two areas of the leaks is so far apart (~75 km) that natural events (like subsea mudslides or earthquakes) can be almost certainly ruled out. The same goes about ships dragging anchor or fishing nets from trawlers, or a submarine colliding by chance. This is deliberate.

— Javier Blas (@JavierBlas) September 27, 2022

Thank you, USA. pic.twitter.com/nALlYQ1Crb

— Radek Sikorski MEP (@radeksikorski) September 27, 2022

Yesterday before the news hit

Thousands of people in Gera in Germany against Olaf Scholz's policy and the explosion of energy and gas prices. They demand an end to sanctions on Russia and the reopening of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. Demonstrations also in other German cities but EU media censors them. pic.twitter.com/dmTMLY11jn

— RadioGenova (@RadioGenova) September 26, 2022

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Yesterday before the news hit

Thousands of people in Gera in Germany against Olaf Scholz's policy and the explosion of energy and gas prices. They demand an end to sanctions on Russia and the reopening of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. Demonstrations also in other German cities but EU media censors them. pic.twitter.com/dmTMLY11jn

— RadioGenova (@RadioGenova) September 26, 2022

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Great example of the weakness of Western people.

They'd rather give in to an authoritarian tyrant than get uncomfortable in their cushy lives.

aezmvp said:

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Pookers said:

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2wealfth Man said:

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I can't believe a state actor did this. There are logical reasons against it for practically everyone save Poland or someone out of left field.

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So you admit you're viewing this with a bias that it's impossible a state did this. That's a bad way to analyze data.

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I don't understand how people can't at least accept the possibility the NeoCons in the US/NATO took down NS2 to force a war; a war they've been wanting since the cold war.

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I could definitely buy us doing this. I don't think it's to force a war.

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Irrelevant. If we did that, its an act of war. It's Russia's choice how they see it.

The pipeline isn't even some American to Russian thing. Its Germany/Europe's and Russia's issue.

This is incredibly risky and belligerent stuff sanctions took the form of material attack and damage rather than not shipping something.

Hopefully any retaliation just goes to the policydrivers.

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ironically enough, I am here in Virginia Beach where there are so many US military installations and at my hotel two German Army soldiers got into my elevator.

Well to be fair the reason they are in this situation is because they became dependent on Russian gas as their primary form of energy. Trump told them so at a speech at the UN and they laughed at him...so the people are technically pointing their anger in the correct direction.

Right again... for the umpteenth time.

I posted this on the other thread. But, the pipelines should be able to be repaired.

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Subsea pipelines can be repaired fairly quickly if you have the right sized pipeline repair flanges, misalignment flange and a spool piece to replace the damaged part of the pipeline.

Most companies that sell pipeline repair equipment have these in stock

All it takes is the time to mobilize the kit, the boat and the repair crew.

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Sure, if it's not too deep for divers. What's the water depth of this pipeline? Otherwise you're stuck with an ROV intervention, and I doubt there are many construction vessels over there ready to mob up to do a subsea repair. Nothing done subsea comes easy.

But then you have to think about operating conditions, gas lines hydrate up if they're deep enough and get cold enough, if you get water ingress. You can't just cut it and flood the whole pipeline. There's got to be some way to isolate that section of the damaged pipeline.

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I posted this on the other thread. But, the pipelines should be able to be repaired.

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Subsea pipelines can be repaired fairly quickly if you have the right sized pipeline repair flanges, misalignment flange and a spool piece to replace the damaged part of the pipeline.

Most companies that sell pipeline repair equipment have these in stock

All it takes is the time to mobilize the kit, the boat and the repair crew.

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Sounds like a repair can happen within a week. No biggie.

I've never heard of or interacted with the Polish MEP who bragged about the American attack on the Nordstream pipeline today, but apparently I'm on someone's list because he's heard of me. pic.twitter.com/YFSUp8gMpu

— Martyr Made 🦉🪓 (@martyrmade) September 27, 2022

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I posted this on the other thread. But, the pipelines should be able to be repaired.

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Subsea pipelines can be repaired fairly quickly if you have the right sized pipeline repair flanges, misalignment flange and a spool piece to replace the damaged part of the pipeline.

Most companies that sell pipeline repair equipment have these in stock

All it takes is the time to mobilize the kit, the boat and the repair crew.

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Sounds like a repair can happen within a week. No biggie.

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Yes. Maybe a bit longer. You can bet that if they didn't already pre-buy repair flanges at the start of the project years ago, they will be scouring the globe for some. Somebody will have the right pieces. Think about how quickly the industry was mobilized during the BP Macondo incident back in 2010.

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David Wallace said:

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I posted this on the other thread. But, the pipelines should be able to be repaired.

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Subsea pipelines can be repaired fairly quickly if you have the right sized pipeline repair flanges, misalignment flange and a spool piece to replace the damaged part of the pipeline.

Most companies that sell pipeline repair equipment have these in stock

All it takes is the time to mobilize the kit, the boat and the repair crew.

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Sounds like a repair can happen within a week. No biggie.

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Yes. Maybe a bit longer. You can bet that fi they didn't already pre-buy repair flanges at the start of the project years ago, they will be scouring the globe for some. Somebody will have the right pieces. Think about how quickly the industry was mobilized during the BP Macondo incident back in 2010.

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Agreed. Also I think I read the water around these leaks is about 100 meters. So not very deep.

So someone created an international incident in order to low up something that can be repaired in a week? Sounds like something Biden definitely had his hand in. Only he could be that incompetent

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David Wallace said:

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I posted this on the other thread. But, the pipelines should be able to be repaired.

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Subsea pipelines can be repaired fairly quickly if you have the right sized pipeline repair flanges, misalignment flange and a spool piece to replace the damaged part of the pipeline.

Most companies that sell pipeline repair equipment have these in stock

All it takes is the time to mobilize the kit, the boat and the repair crew.

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Sounds like a repair can happen within a week. No biggie.

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Yes. Maybe a bit longer. You can bet that fi they didn't already pre-buy repair flanges at the start of the project years ago, they will be scouring the globe for some. Somebody will have the right pieces. Think about how quickly the industry was mobilized during the BP Macondo incident back in 2010.

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Agreed. Also I think I read the water around these leaks is about 100 meters. So not very deep.

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Thats deep for a dive work, they're going to need a saturation dive spread.

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black_ice said:

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David Wallace said:

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I posted this on the other thread. But, the pipelines should be able to be repaired.

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Subsea pipelines can be repaired fairly quickly if you have the right sized pipeline repair flanges, misalignment flange and a spool piece to replace the damaged part of the pipeline.

Most companies that sell pipeline repair equipment have these in stock

All it takes is the time to mobilize the kit, the boat and the repair crew.

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Sounds like a repair can happen within a week. No biggie.

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Yes. Maybe a bit longer. You can bet that fi they didn't already pre-buy repair flanges at the start of the project years ago, they will be scouring the globe for some. Somebody will have the right pieces. Think about how quickly the industry was mobilized during the BP Macondo incident back in 2010.

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Agreed. Also I think I read the water around these leaks is about 100 meters. So not very deep.

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Thats deep for a dive work, they're going to need a saturation dive spread.

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Perhaps so. But thankfully this isn't Atlantic Ocean depths.

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black_ice said:

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David Wallace said:

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I posted this on the other thread. But, the pipelines should be able to be repaired.

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Subsea pipelines can be repaired fairly quickly if you have the right sized pipeline repair flanges, misalignment flange and a spool piece to replace the damaged part of the pipeline.

Most companies that sell pipeline repair equipment have these in stock

All it takes is the time to mobilize the kit, the boat and the repair crew.

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Sounds like a repair can happen within a week. No biggie.

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Yes. Maybe a bit longer. You can bet that fi they didn't already pre-buy repair flanges at the start of the project years ago, they will be scouring the globe for some. Somebody will have the right pieces. Think about how quickly the industry was mobilized during the BP Macondo incident back in 2010.

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Agreed. Also I think I read the water around these leaks is about 100 meters. So not very deep.

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Thats deep for a dive work, they're going to need a saturation dive spread.

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The divers can use something like the WASP from Oceaneering. Good down to 600 meters.

Here is a nice pipeline repair video from QCS (Now part of Oil States)

In response to Europe's energy crisis, Putin said on Sept. 17 that if Europe wants to solve the issue, it can ignore US orders and open up the Nord Steam 2 pipeline. "Just push the button and everything will get going," Putin said.

Instead, someone bombed it. pic.twitter.com/rXDYorkfLj

— Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) September 27, 2022

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Biden is a ****ing moron. You don't say stupid **** like that.

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That's what he has always done!

Pookers said:

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Yukon Cornelius said:

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2wealfth Man said:

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I can't believe a state actor did this. There are logical reasons against it for practically everyone save Poland or someone out of left field.

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So you admit you're viewing this with a bias that it's impossible a state did this. That's a bad way to analyze data.

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I don't understand how people can't at least accept the possibility the NeoCons in the US/NATO took down NS2 to force a war; a war they've been wanting since the cold war.

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The evil global cabal is not very good at this if they think breaking something that can apparently be fixed in a couple of weeks would start World War 3.

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I posted this on the other thread. But, the pipelines should be able to be repaired.

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Subsea pipelines can be repaired fairly quickly if you have the right sized pipeline repair flanges, misalignment flange and a spool piece to replace the damaged part of the pipeline.

Most companies that sell pipeline repair equipment have these in stock

All it takes is the time to mobilize the kit, the boat and the repair crew.

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I did subsea pipeline repairs off the coast of Africa for XOM. You are correct. Mobilization of the proper equipment and material will take longer than the repair.

Also, the subsea pipelines are coated with 4"-6" of concrete to keep them from floating. The bomb was most likely placed at a weld where there is no concrete or Russia could have launched a explosive device on an internal smart pig.

Nothing complicated about it.

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Easier to blow up than repair i presume, each time. Question - why would russia do that?

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I posted this on the other thread. But, the pipelines should be able to be repaired.

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Subsea pipelines can be repaired fairly quickly if you have the right sized pipeline repair flanges, misalignment flange and a spool piece to replace the damaged part of the pipeline.

Most companies that sell pipeline repair equipment have these in stock

All it takes is the time to mobilize the kit, the boat and the repair crew.

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I did subsea pipeline repairs off the coast of Africa for XOM. You are correct. Mobilization of the proper equipment and material will take longer than the repair.

Also, the subsea pipelines are coated with 4"-6" of concrete to keep them from floating. The bomb was most likely placed at a weld where there is no concrete or Russia could have launched a explosive device on an internal smart pig.

Nothing complicated about it.

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Easier to blow up than repair i presume, each time. Question - why would russia do that?

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If the explosion happened on the outside of the pipe then we don't know who did it.

If the explosion was inside the pipe then it was definitely Russia. They can send that pig robot thing all through the pipeline. With explosives.

Former Navy frogman has an interesting take:

Russia, Europe, and the Golden Goose Named Nord Stream

Today, September 27, "somebody" blew up both Nord Stream pipelines by underwater sabotage, that is, with a submarine/mini submarine/frogman demolition raid. Who? "Somebody." But only Americans watching brain-dead up-is-down 2+2=5 propaganda 24/7 will believe Putin ordered it. Why?

Because Russia controls the natural gas input to the Nord Stream pipelines with valves. They can turn the pressure on and off at will. As long as the pipelines are undamaged, Russia holds more face cards and has more options.

What happened today with the submarine/mini-sub/frogman pipeline demo attack, was that Europe lost ANY chance to reconsider its sanctions against Russia in return for more natural gas.

Now, who, pray tell, might want to forestall ANY opportunity for Europeans to reconsider their sanctions against Russia, as winter sets in, people freeze, and factories shut down, leading to mass unemployment, the worst economic depression in a century, and possibly mass riots that could overturn governments?

Think hard. Ponder. Did Russia originally cut off Europe's gas? NO. Europe put sanctions on Russia over Ukraine and said, "We won't buy your nasty damn Russian gas anymore." But, the option to reconsider sanctions, and buy Russian gas again, was always open. Russia controlled the valves, and was always willing to honor their multi-year contracts and keep selling natural gas to Europe. {Buying with Rubles, etc, as many countries are.]

Now, after the Nord Stream pipelines were blown up today, the option for Europeans to reconsider their anti-Russian sanctions is closed, at least this winter. Only America can send them replacement liquid natural gas, and we can't send half of what they need by LNG tanker. Way less than half.

So Europe is now SCREWED. Trapped like a cave diver who is a thousand feet from the cave exit, looking at his last air bottle's gauge, as the needle heads to zero. He's not going to make it, and he knows it.

Here is another analogy. A guy you don't like much owns a golden goose. Every day it lays a golden egg, and you buy the gold egg on favorable terms. Every day, long term contract. You do massive jewelry business, whatever. The deal works for both of you.

Now, you get into a fight with the owner of the goose, mainly on behalf of one of your much richer friends who hates the goose guy even MORE than you hate him. You are pressured into not buying any of they guy's golden eggs. Your rich friend assures you that soon the owner of the golden goose will come begging you to buy his golden eggs again, because his income has been cut off.

But it doesn't work out the way your rich friend said. Turns out, Mr. Golden Goose can sell his golden eggs to other people. He's not going broke. On the other hand, you, the big league jeweler, you ARE going broke without the gold. You are looking at closing your chain of jewelry outlets and laying everybody off. Bankrupt.

Now, is it logical, do you believe, that under any circumstance, the owner of the golden goose is going to break the neck of his golden goose and kill it, out of a fit of pique, BECAUSE YOU REFUSED TO BUY HIS GOLDEN EGGS!?

EXACTLY.

It seems pretty clear the most likely culprit. And one foolish and arrogant enough too. Some longshots also remain in the running.