Jmiller said:That's not how our laws work and they are far more likely to be sent back if their case has been seen in court.FTAG 2000 said:Jmiller said:
Trump left a 1.3 million case backlog in the immigration courts. Average wait time is over two years. If Republicans were sincere, this would not happen.
There shouldn't have been any cases. They should have all been sent back.
Now THAT is how you gaslight!Watermelon Man said:
Just want to point out that the title of this thread is promoting misinformation.
Illegals are not suing DeSantis. Lawyers representing illegals are not suing DeSantis.
The migrants flown to Martha's Vineyard are not in this country illegally. They have as much of a legal right to be here as you or I do (although, perhaps, only on a temporary basis).
These people are fleeing the Communist regime in Venezuela and have applied for asylum here in the US. They are anti-communists. They are awaiting a hearing to determine whether or not asylum will be granted or not. Until that hearing, there is nothing illegal about their immigration status, they are resident aliens. The idea that these are illegals pouring through an open border is just another lie the Right Wing Propaganda outlets are pumping to cause chaos and try to destroy America.
I say "try to destroy America," because that is what they are trying to do. This country is based on the rule of law (as per the US Constitution) and built on laws. By pushing these lies, they are undermining those laws and this encourages a group to form opinions based on emotion rather than the law, so the laws get ignored in favor of emotion.
Once we have lost the rule of law, the nation is gone.
Whose job is it to enforce the border according to the Constitution you keep talking about?Jmiller said:
People are being quite because you are either being obtuse or trolling. If you are honest in your request, THEN DO YOUR OWN LIFTING and read the lawsuit.
ThisHubert J. Farnsworth said:Jmiller said:That's not how our laws work and they are far more likely to be sent back if their case has been seen in court.FTAG 2000 said:Jmiller said:
Trump left a 1.3 million case backlog in the immigration courts. Average wait time is over two years. If Republicans were sincere, this would not happen.
There shouldn't have been any cases. They should have all been sent back.
You are so ignorant. Once they are in the country, most of them won't ever show up for their hearings
Why are they here?Manhattan said:dermdoc said:
So let me get this straight.
As long as the illegals are not in libtopias like Martha's Vineyard it is okay?
Just keep them in the hinterlands and Hicksville and the libs will support no border integrity. And then demand that we take care of them and pay for them.
The hypocrisy is surreal.
You can't lie to someone and stick them in a train car… errr plane.
Jmiller said:
Wrong again. My argument was that 'the problem was inexistence and not being resolved under Trump' to 'well, it became worse under Trump which implies Republicans are not sincere in their efforts to address our problems with immigration.'
Agree completely about the rule of law.Watermelon Man said:
Just want to point out that the title of this thread is promoting misinformation.
Illegals are not suing DeSantis. Lawyers representing illegals are not suing DeSantis.
The migrants flown to Martha's Vineyard are not in this country illegally. They have as much of a legal right to be here as you or I do (although, perhaps, only on a temporary basis).
These people are fleeing the Communist regime in Venezuela and have applied for asylum here in the US. They are anti-communists. They are awaiting a hearing to determine whether or not asylum will be granted or not. Until that hearing, there is nothing illegal about their immigration status, they are resident aliens. The idea that these are illegals pouring through an open border is just another lie the Right Wing Propaganda outlets are pumping to cause chaos and try to destroy America.
I say "try to destroy America," because that is what they are trying to do. This country is based on the rule of law (as per the US Constitution) and built on laws. By pushing these lies, they are undermining those laws and this encourages a group to form opinions based on emotion rather than the law, so the laws get ignored in favor of emotion.
Once we have lost the rule of law, the nation is gone.
Then you should be able to prove that with some data. Perhaps more recent data than what is seen here.Hubert J. Farnsworth said:Jmiller said:That's not how our laws work and they are far more likely to be sent back if their case has been seen in court.FTAG 2000 said:Jmiller said:
Trump left a 1.3 million case backlog in the immigration courts. Average wait time is over two years. If Republicans were sincere, this would not happen.
There shouldn't have been any cases. They should have all been sent back.
You are so ignorant. Once they are in the country, most of them won't ever show up for their hearings
The majority of Americans believe it, because it is true. It's the ones trying to spread hate that are against the truth.Maroon Dawn said:Watermelon Man said:
Just want to point out that the title of this thread is promoting misinformation.
Illegals are not suing DeSantis. Lawyers representing illegals are not suing DeSantis.
The migrants flown to Martha's Vineyard are not in this country illegally. They have as much of a legal right to be here as you or I do (although, perhaps, only on a temporary basis).
These people are fleeing the Communist regime in Venezuela and have applied for asylum here in the US. They are anti-communists. They are awaiting a hearing to determine whether or not asylum will be granted or not. Until that hearing, there is nothing illegal about their immigration status, they are resident aliens. The idea that these are illegals pouring through an open border is just another lie the Right Wing Propaganda outlets are pumping to cause chaos and try to destroy America.
I say "try to destroy America," because that is what they are trying to do. This country is based on the rule of law (as per the US Constitution) and built on laws. By pushing these lies, they are undermining those laws and this encourages a group to form opinions based on emotion rather than the law, so the laws get ignored in favor of emotion.
Once we have lost the rule of law, the nation is gone.
Literally nobody believes you and your talking point
They've been coached to say "asylum" as soon as they get here because that's the magic word that keeps the border wide open and everyone knows it
What are the laws now?Watermelon Man said:The majority of Americans believe it, because it is true. It's the ones trying to spread hate that are against the truth.Maroon Dawn said:Watermelon Man said:
Just want to point out that the title of this thread is promoting misinformation.
Illegals are not suing DeSantis. Lawyers representing illegals are not suing DeSantis.
The migrants flown to Martha's Vineyard are not in this country illegally. They have as much of a legal right to be here as you or I do (although, perhaps, only on a temporary basis).
These people are fleeing the Communist regime in Venezuela and have applied for asylum here in the US. They are anti-communists. They are awaiting a hearing to determine whether or not asylum will be granted or not. Until that hearing, there is nothing illegal about their immigration status, they are resident aliens. The idea that these are illegals pouring through an open border is just another lie the Right Wing Propaganda outlets are pumping to cause chaos and try to destroy America.
I say "try to destroy America," because that is what they are trying to do. This country is based on the rule of law (as per the US Constitution) and built on laws. By pushing these lies, they are undermining those laws and this encourages a group to form opinions based on emotion rather than the law, so the laws get ignored in favor of emotion.
Once we have lost the rule of law, the nation is gone.
Literally nobody believes you and your talking point
They've been coached to say "asylum" as soon as they get here because that's the magic word that keeps the border wide open and everyone knows it
And, the border is not "wide open," which is also supported by the truth. If the border was wide open, as you say, there would not be a problem with illegals. We would not find trailer-trucks filled with dead bodies because there would be nothing stopping them from entering. We would not have families drowning trying to get across the Rio Grande. Coyotes would not exist.
These facts exist because our immigration system is broken. Again, we are a nation of laws. These immigration laws haven't had any meaning change in over thirty years, yet the problems we now face have arisen in the past ten. The solution is to reform the laws to reflect our current situation. Yet, there is great resistance to reform those laws. This resistance is spearheaded by those trying to score political points off the suffering our broken system causes the least fortunate. But, it's OK since those profiting from and perpetuating the suffering are calling themselves Christians.
Clown world.
Watermelon Man said:The majority of Americans believe it, because it is true. It's the ones trying to spread hate that are against the truth.Maroon Dawn said:Watermelon Man said:
Just want to point out that the title of this thread is promoting misinformation.
Illegals are not suing DeSantis. Lawyers representing illegals are not suing DeSantis.
The migrants flown to Martha's Vineyard are not in this country illegally. They have as much of a legal right to be here as you or I do (although, perhaps, only on a temporary basis).
These people are fleeing the Communist regime in Venezuela and have applied for asylum here in the US. They are anti-communists. They are awaiting a hearing to determine whether or not asylum will be granted or not. Until that hearing, there is nothing illegal about their immigration status, they are resident aliens. The idea that these are illegals pouring through an open border is just another lie the Right Wing Propaganda outlets are pumping to cause chaos and try to destroy America.
I say "try to destroy America," because that is what they are trying to do. This country is based on the rule of law (as per the US Constitution) and built on laws. By pushing these lies, they are undermining those laws and this encourages a group to form opinions based on emotion rather than the law, so the laws get ignored in favor of emotion.
Once we have lost the rule of law, the nation is gone.
Literally nobody believes you and your talking point
They've been coached to say "asylum" as soon as they get here because that's the magic word that keeps the border wide open and everyone knows it
And, the border is not "wide open," which is also supported by the truth. If the border was wide open, as you say, there would not be a problem with illegals. We would not find trailer-trucks filled with dead bodies because there would be nothing stopping them from entering. We would not have families drowning trying to get across the Rio Grande. Coyotes would not exist.
These facts exist because our immigration system is broken. Again, we are a nation of laws. These immigration laws haven't had any meaning change in over thirty years, yet the problems we now face have arisen in the past ten. The solution is to reform the laws to reflect our current situation. Yet, there is great resistance to reform those laws. This resistance is spearheaded by those trying to score political points off the suffering our broken system causes the least fortunate. But, it's OK since those profiting from and perpetuating the suffering are calling themselves Christians.
Clown world.
Exactly. It is the feds responsibility.Definitely Not A Cop said:Watermelon Man said:The majority of Americans believe it, because it is true. It's the ones trying to spread hate that are against the truth.Maroon Dawn said:Watermelon Man said:
Just want to point out that the title of this thread is promoting misinformation.
Illegals are not suing DeSantis. Lawyers representing illegals are not suing DeSantis.
The migrants flown to Martha's Vineyard are not in this country illegally. They have as much of a legal right to be here as you or I do (although, perhaps, only on a temporary basis).
These people are fleeing the Communist regime in Venezuela and have applied for asylum here in the US. They are anti-communists. They are awaiting a hearing to determine whether or not asylum will be granted or not. Until that hearing, there is nothing illegal about their immigration status, they are resident aliens. The idea that these are illegals pouring through an open border is just another lie the Right Wing Propaganda outlets are pumping to cause chaos and try to destroy America.
I say "try to destroy America," because that is what they are trying to do. This country is based on the rule of law (as per the US Constitution) and built on laws. By pushing these lies, they are undermining those laws and this encourages a group to form opinions based on emotion rather than the law, so the laws get ignored in favor of emotion.
Once we have lost the rule of law, the nation is gone.
Literally nobody believes you and your talking point
They've been coached to say "asylum" as soon as they get here because that's the magic word that keeps the border wide open and everyone knows it
And, the border is not "wide open," which is also supported by the truth. If the border was wide open, as you say, there would not be a problem with illegals. We would not find trailer-trucks filled with dead bodies because there would be nothing stopping them from entering. We would not have families drowning trying to get across the Rio Grande. Coyotes would not exist.
These facts exist because our immigration system is broken. Again, we are a nation of laws. These immigration laws haven't had any meaning change in over thirty years, yet the problems we now face have arisen in the past ten. The solution is to reform the laws to reflect our current situation. Yet, there is great resistance to reform those laws. This resistance is spearheaded by those trying to score political points off the suffering our broken system causes the least fortunate. But, it's OK since those profiting from and perpetuating the suffering are calling themselves Christians.
Clown world.
"Our immigration system is broken." Is exactly the point DeSantis and Abbott are making. So how is it their fault, and not the people claiming that the border is secure?
Afghanistan doesn't border the US. Vietnam doesn't border the US. If you look at history, very few immigrants that came to the US seeking asylum were from countries that border the US. That sound like a "made up rule," one you created to try to win internet points.Hubert J. Farnsworth said:Watermelon Man said:
Just want to point out that the title of this thread is promoting misinformation.
Illegals are not suing DeSantis. Lawyers representing illegals are not suing DeSantis.
The migrants flown to Martha's Vineyard are not in this country illegally. They have as much of a legal right to be here as you or I do (although, perhaps, only on a temporary basis).
These people are fleeing the Communist regime in Venezuela and have applied for asylum here in the US. They are anti-communists. They are awaiting a hearing to determine whether or not asylum will be granted or not. Until that hearing, there is nothing illegal about their immigration status, they are resident aliens. The idea that these are illegals pouring through an open border is just another lie the Right Wing Propaganda outlets are pumping to cause chaos and try to destroy America.
I say "try to destroy America," because that is what they are trying to do. This country is based on the rule of law (as per the US Constitution) and built on laws. By pushing these lies, they are undermining those laws and this encourages a group to form opinions based on emotion rather than the law, so the laws get ignored in favor of emotion.
Once we have lost the rule of law, the nation is gone.
Last I checked, Venezuela doesn't border the United States. They are supposed to apply for asylum in the first country over from them.
Well, to be honest, Ted Cruz should be laughed at.Manhattan said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:Jmiller said:
Trump left a 1.3 million case backlog in the immigration courts. Average wait time is over two years. If Republicans were sincere, this would not happen.
Liberal logic. "Trump left 1.3 million immigration cases backlogged so we should just let them all in illegally".
Ted Cruz brought this up years ago that we need way more judges and he was laughed at.
Watermelon Man said:Afghanistan doesn't border the US. Vietnam doesn't border the US. If you look at history, very few immigrants that came to the US seeking asylum were from countries that border the US. That sound like a "made up rule," one you created to try to win internet points.Hubert J. Farnsworth said:Watermelon Man said:
Just want to point out that the title of this thread is promoting misinformation.
Illegals are not suing DeSantis. Lawyers representing illegals are not suing DeSantis.
The migrants flown to Martha's Vineyard are not in this country illegally. They have as much of a legal right to be here as you or I do (although, perhaps, only on a temporary basis).
These people are fleeing the Communist regime in Venezuela and have applied for asylum here in the US. They are anti-communists. They are awaiting a hearing to determine whether or not asylum will be granted or not. Until that hearing, there is nothing illegal about their immigration status, they are resident aliens. The idea that these are illegals pouring through an open border is just another lie the Right Wing Propaganda outlets are pumping to cause chaos and try to destroy America.
I say "try to destroy America," because that is what they are trying to do. This country is based on the rule of law (as per the US Constitution) and built on laws. By pushing these lies, they are undermining those laws and this encourages a group to form opinions based on emotion rather than the law, so the laws get ignored in favor of emotion.
Once we have lost the rule of law, the nation is gone.
Last I checked, Venezuela doesn't border the United States. They are supposed to apply for asylum in the first country over from them.
Watermelon Ma said:
The majority of Americans believe it, because it is true. It's the ones trying to spread hate that are against the truth.
Do you remember when Arizona tried to enforce the immigration rules that are in effect because the federal government was refusing to? They were not allowed, even though the federal government was ignoring the laws. You say we are a nation of laws and that they are broken, but they are broken because they aren't followed.Quote:
These facts exist because our immigration system is broken. Again, we are a nation of laws.
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These immigration laws haven't had any meaning change in over thirty years, yet the problems we now face have arisen in the past ten. The solution is to reform the laws to reflect our current situation. Yet, there is great resistance to reform those laws.
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This resistance is spearheaded by those trying to score political points off the suffering our broken system causes the least fortunate. But, it's OK since those profiting from and perpetuating the suffering are calling themselves Christians.
Watermelon Man said:Well, to be honest, Ted Cruz should be laughed at.Manhattan said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:Jmiller said:
Trump left a 1.3 million case backlog in the immigration courts. Average wait time is over two years. If Republicans were sincere, this would not happen.
Liberal logic. "Trump left 1.3 million immigration cases backlogged so we should just let them all in illegally".
Ted Cruz brought this up years ago that we need way more judges and he was laughed at.
All laws are "made up." That is the purpose of our legislature. As I stated, our immigration laws haven't had any meaningful changes in over 30 years. If he current laws aren't working, they need to be changed so they do work.dermdoc said:What are the laws now?Watermelon Man said:The majority of Americans believe it, because it is true. It's the ones trying to spread hate that are against the truth.Maroon Dawn said:Watermelon Man said:
Just want to point out that the title of this thread is promoting misinformation.
Illegals are not suing DeSantis. Lawyers representing illegals are not suing DeSantis.
The migrants flown to Martha's Vineyard are not in this country illegally. They have as much of a legal right to be here as you or I do (although, perhaps, only on a temporary basis).
These people are fleeing the Communist regime in Venezuela and have applied for asylum here in the US. They are anti-communists. They are awaiting a hearing to determine whether or not asylum will be granted or not. Until that hearing, there is nothing illegal about their immigration status, they are resident aliens. The idea that these are illegals pouring through an open border is just another lie the Right Wing Propaganda outlets are pumping to cause chaos and try to destroy America.
I say "try to destroy America," because that is what they are trying to do. This country is based on the rule of law (as per the US Constitution) and built on laws. By pushing these lies, they are undermining those laws and this encourages a group to form opinions based on emotion rather than the law, so the laws get ignored in favor of emotion.
Once we have lost the rule of law, the nation is gone.
Literally nobody believes you and your talking point
They've been coached to say "asylum" as soon as they get here because that's the magic word that keeps the border wide open and everyone knows it
And, the border is not "wide open," which is also supported by the truth. If the border was wide open, as you say, there would not be a problem with illegals. We would not find trailer-trucks filled with dead bodies because there would be nothing stopping them from entering. We would not have families drowning trying to get across the Rio Grande. Coyotes would not exist.
These facts exist because our immigration system is broken. Again, we are a nation of laws. These immigration laws haven't had any meaning change in over thirty years, yet the problems we now face have arisen in the past ten. The solution is to reform the laws to reflect our current situation. Yet, there is great resistance to reform those laws. This resistance is spearheaded by those trying to score political points off the suffering our broken system causes the least fortunate. But, it's OK since those profiting from and perpetuating the suffering are calling themselves Christians.
Clown world.
Are we supposed to follow those or some made up ones?
And I hate to hear of the things you mentioned but firmly believe that if we followed the current laws and stringently monitored the border this would not happen.
And if you really believe a wide open border would stop the problems, then why is NYC and Martha's Vineyard balking at having these folks in their midst? Since I am sure most of them agree with open borders, why the resistance? They should welcome these folks.
It is okay as long as it is somewhere else.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
Which law says we have to let anyone into the United States at all?Watermelon Man said:
Just want to point out that the title of this thread is promoting misinformation.
Illegals are not suing DeSantis. Lawyers representing illegals are not suing DeSantis.
The migrants flown to Martha's Vineyard are not in this country illegally. They have as much of a legal right to be here as you or I do (although, perhaps, only on a temporary basis).
These people are fleeing the Communist regime in Venezuela and have applied for asylum here in the US. They are anti-communists. They are awaiting a hearing to determine whether or not asylum will be granted or not. Until that hearing, there is nothing illegal about their immigration status, they are resident aliens. The idea that these are illegals pouring through an open border is just another lie the Right Wing Propaganda outlets are pumping to cause chaos and try to destroy America.
I say "try to destroy America," because that is what they are trying to do. This country is based on the rule of law (as per the US Constitution) and built on laws. By pushing these lies, they are undermining those laws and this encourages a group to form opinions based on emotion rather than the law, so the laws get ignored in favor of emotion.
Once we have lost the rule of law, the nation is gone.
Quote:
Why are libs who are for open borders upset that some illegal immigrants are being sent to them?
Watermelon Man said:All laws are "made up." That is the purpose of our legislature. As I stated, our immigration laws haven't had any meaningful changes in over 30 years. If he current laws aren't working, they need to be changed so they do work.dermdoc said:What are the laws now?Watermelon Man said:The majority of Americans believe it, because it is true. It's the ones trying to spread hate that are against the truth.Maroon Dawn said:Watermelon Man said:
Just want to point out that the title of this thread is promoting misinformation.
Illegals are not suing DeSantis. Lawyers representing illegals are not suing DeSantis.
The migrants flown to Martha's Vineyard are not in this country illegally. They have as much of a legal right to be here as you or I do (although, perhaps, only on a temporary basis).
These people are fleeing the Communist regime in Venezuela and have applied for asylum here in the US. They are anti-communists. They are awaiting a hearing to determine whether or not asylum will be granted or not. Until that hearing, there is nothing illegal about their immigration status, they are resident aliens. The idea that these are illegals pouring through an open border is just another lie the Right Wing Propaganda outlets are pumping to cause chaos and try to destroy America.
I say "try to destroy America," because that is what they are trying to do. This country is based on the rule of law (as per the US Constitution) and built on laws. By pushing these lies, they are undermining those laws and this encourages a group to form opinions based on emotion rather than the law, so the laws get ignored in favor of emotion.
Once we have lost the rule of law, the nation is gone.
Literally nobody believes you and your talking point
They've been coached to say "asylum" as soon as they get here because that's the magic word that keeps the border wide open and everyone knows it
And, the border is not "wide open," which is also supported by the truth. If the border was wide open, as you say, there would not be a problem with illegals. We would not find trailer-trucks filled with dead bodies because there would be nothing stopping them from entering. We would not have families drowning trying to get across the Rio Grande. Coyotes would not exist.
These facts exist because our immigration system is broken. Again, we are a nation of laws. These immigration laws haven't had any meaning change in over thirty years, yet the problems we now face have arisen in the past ten. The solution is to reform the laws to reflect our current situation. Yet, there is great resistance to reform those laws. This resistance is spearheaded by those trying to score political points off the suffering our broken system causes the least fortunate. But, it's OK since those profiting from and perpetuating the suffering are calling themselves Christians.
Clown world.
Are we supposed to follow those or some made up ones?
And I hate to hear of the things you mentioned but firmly believe that if we followed the current laws and stringently monitored the border this would not happen.
And if you really believe a wide open border would stop the problems, then why is NYC and Martha's Vineyard balking at having these folks in their midst? Since I am sure most of them agree with open borders, why the resistance? They should welcome these folks.
It is okay as long as it is somewhere else.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
I find it hard to believe you hate to hear of the suffering caused by trying to work with the current laws. If you really hated to hear it, you would call for your legislators to change it. It seems that as long as the suffering is imposed on "those other people," you are just fine with it.
I never said a wide open border would stop the problems. And, it is another lie that NYC and MV are balking at having these folks in their midst. As for NYC, they have been welcoming immigrants for well over a hundred years. They even have a Statue on an island in their harbor stating as much. As for MV, there really isn't much there for the migrants. They are much better served by getting them help than by stunts designed to "piss off the libs." Regardless, the folks of MV did a whole lot more to help them than DeSantis, and for a whole lot less money.
The hypocrisy is, well, overwhelming. How folks who proclaim they believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ, a religion based on love and charity can be so hateful and selfish is amazing.
Manhattan said:Quote:
Why are libs who are for open borders upset that some illegal immigrants are being sent to them?
Because the people sending them are the ones making it difficult for them to get jobs and integrate into society.
Manhattan said:Quote:
Why are libs who are for open borders upset that some illegal immigrants are being sent to them?
Because the people sending them are the ones making it difficult for them to get jobs and integrate into society.
Manhattan said:Quote:
Why are libs who are for open borders upset that some illegal immigrants are being sent to them?
Because the people sending them are the ones making it difficult for them to get jobs and integrate into society.
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I only have one question for that judge
So how did 50 Venezuelans get from the Texas border to Florida?
You should have seen her when she started.
Manhattan said:Quote:
Why are libs who are for open borders upset that some illegal immigrants are being sent to them?
Because the people sending them are the ones making it difficult for them to get jobs and integrate into society.
Watermelon Man said:All laws are "made up." That is the purpose of our legislature. As I stated, our immigration laws haven't had any meaningful changes in over 30 years. If he current laws aren't working, they need to be changed so they do work.dermdoc said:What are the laws now?Watermelon Man said:The majority of Americans believe it, because it is true. It's the ones trying to spread hate that are against the truth.Maroon Dawn said:Watermelon Man said:
Just want to point out that the title of this thread is promoting misinformation.
Illegals are not suing DeSantis. Lawyers representing illegals are not suing DeSantis.
The migrants flown to Martha's Vineyard are not in this country illegally. They have as much of a legal right to be here as you or I do (although, perhaps, only on a temporary basis).
These people are fleeing the Communist regime in Venezuela and have applied for asylum here in the US. They are anti-communists. They are awaiting a hearing to determine whether or not asylum will be granted or not. Until that hearing, there is nothing illegal about their immigration status, they are resident aliens. The idea that these are illegals pouring through an open border is just another lie the Right Wing Propaganda outlets are pumping to cause chaos and try to destroy America.
I say "try to destroy America," because that is what they are trying to do. This country is based on the rule of law (as per the US Constitution) and built on laws. By pushing these lies, they are undermining those laws and this encourages a group to form opinions based on emotion rather than the law, so the laws get ignored in favor of emotion.
Once we have lost the rule of law, the nation is gone.
Literally nobody believes you and your talking point
They've been coached to say "asylum" as soon as they get here because that's the magic word that keeps the border wide open and everyone knows it
And, the border is not "wide open," which is also supported by the truth. If the border was wide open, as you say, there would not be a problem with illegals. We would not find trailer-trucks filled with dead bodies because there would be nothing stopping them from entering. We would not have families drowning trying to get across the Rio Grande. Coyotes would not exist.
These facts exist because our immigration system is broken. Again, we are a nation of laws. These immigration laws haven't had any meaning change in over thirty years, yet the problems we now face have arisen in the past ten. The solution is to reform the laws to reflect our current situation. Yet, there is great resistance to reform those laws. This resistance is spearheaded by those trying to score political points off the suffering our broken system causes the least fortunate. But, it's OK since those profiting from and perpetuating the suffering are calling themselves Christians.
Clown world.
Are we supposed to follow those or some made up ones?
And I hate to hear of the things you mentioned but firmly believe that if we followed the current laws and stringently monitored the border this would not happen.
And if you really believe a wide open border would stop the problems, then why is NYC and Martha's Vineyard balking at having these folks in their midst? Since I am sure most of them agree with open borders, why the resistance? They should welcome these folks.
It is okay as long as it is somewhere else.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
I find it hard to believe you hate to hear of the suffering caused by trying to work with the current laws. If you really hated to hear it, you would call for your legislators to change it. It seems that as long as the suffering is imposed on "those other people," you are just fine with it.
I never said a wide open border would stop the problems. And, it is another lie that NYC and MV are balking at having these folks in their midst. As for NYC, they have been welcoming immigrants for well over a hundred years. They even have a Statue on an island in their harbor stating as much. As for MV, there really isn't much there for the migrants. They are much better served by getting them help than by stunts designed to "piss off the libs." Regardless, the folks of MV did a whole lot more to help them than DeSantis, and for a whole lot less money.
The hypocrisy is, well, overwhelming. How folks who proclaim they believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ, a religion based on love and charity can be so hateful and selfish is amazing.
Is it hateful and selfish to point out that unlimited immigration into a system that has a good welfare system is a recipe for financial collapse? Where do those "asylum seekers" go then? Yes, there are some legitimate asylum seekers in line, but we have them indistinguishable from those to whom "asylum" is just the password. Sincce you have started bringing religious beliefs into this, can I now assume, based on my personal feelings on why we have to be careful with who and how many people come into this country, that you are hateful and selfish because you want human trafficking, drugs, and gangs to come into the country to destroy the lives of other immigrants that came here for legitimate asylum?Quote:
The hypocrisy is, well, overwhelming. How folks who proclaim they believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ, a religion based on love and charity can be so hateful and selfish is amazing.
It's a joke, son. A joke, I tell ya'. You're supposed to laugh, I say, laugh. You aren't supposed to take it literal.dermdoc said:Watermelon Man said:Well, to be honest, Ted Cruz should be laughed at.Manhattan said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:Jmiller said:
Trump left a 1.3 million case backlog in the immigration courts. Average wait time is over two years. If Republicans were sincere, this would not happen.
Liberal logic. "Trump left 1.3 million immigration cases backlogged so we should just let them all in illegally".
Ted Cruz brought this up years ago that we need way more judges and he was laughed at.
Texas voters say that would be Beto who should be laughed at.
Two questions
Why are libs who are for open borders upset that some illegal immigrants are being sent to them?
Who does the Constitution stipulate is responsible for border security and are they doing their job?
Hubert J. Farnsworth said:Manhattan said:Quote:
Why are libs who are for open borders upset that some illegal immigrants are being sent to them?
Because the people sending them are the ones making it difficult for them to get jobs and integrate into society.
Because conservative states don't want them and are honest about not wanting them. You of course ignore the root cause which is sh**ty democrat border policy.
Watermelon Man said:It's a joke, son. A joke, I tell ya'. You're supposed to laugh, I say, laugh. You aren't supposed to take it literal.dermdoc said:Watermelon Man said:Well, to be honest, Ted Cruz should be laughed at.Manhattan said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:Jmiller said:
Trump left a 1.3 million case backlog in the immigration courts. Average wait time is over two years. If Republicans were sincere, this would not happen.
Liberal logic. "Trump left 1.3 million immigration cases backlogged so we should just let them all in illegally".
Ted Cruz brought this up years ago that we need way more judges and he was laughed at.
Texas voters say that would be Beto who should be laughed at.
Two questions
Why are libs who are for open borders upset that some illegal immigrants are being sent to them?
Who does the Constitution stipulate is responsible for border security and are they doing their job?
/FHLH
Who are the libs who are for open borders? I know many of them feel we need to be compassionate to those in need, but few are advocating open borders. Just more Right Wing Propaganda.
And, the illegal immigrants are not being sent anywhere. More Propaganda, but you won't back down from a lie no matter how many times it is pointed out to you. Furthermore, who are the libs who are upset about migrants being sent to northern cities? Another lie.
As far as the Constitution goes, I am not sure it stipulates any direct responsibility for border security as far as immigration is concerned. The Legislative Branch is responsible for writing the laws, but getting them to do anything on this seems impossible. Talk to your legislators, if you want to get something changed. If you don't want to change anything, don't complain about nothing being done about it.
Watermelon Man said:All laws are "made up." That is the purpose of our legislature. As I stated, our immigration laws haven't had any meaningful changes in over 30 years. If he current laws aren't working, they need to be changed so they do work.dermdoc said:What are the laws now?Watermelon Man said:The majority of Americans believe it, because it is true. It's the ones trying to spread hate that are against the truth.Maroon Dawn said:Watermelon Man said:
Just want to point out that the title of this thread is promoting misinformation.
Illegals are not suing DeSantis. Lawyers representing illegals are not suing DeSantis.
The migrants flown to Martha's Vineyard are not in this country illegally. They have as much of a legal right to be here as you or I do (although, perhaps, only on a temporary basis).
These people are fleeing the Communist regime in Venezuela and have applied for asylum here in the US. They are anti-communists. They are awaiting a hearing to determine whether or not asylum will be granted or not. Until that hearing, there is nothing illegal about their immigration status, they are resident aliens. The idea that these are illegals pouring through an open border is just another lie the Right Wing Propaganda outlets are pumping to cause chaos and try to destroy America.
I say "try to destroy America," because that is what they are trying to do. This country is based on the rule of law (as per the US Constitution) and built on laws. By pushing these lies, they are undermining those laws and this encourages a group to form opinions based on emotion rather than the law, so the laws get ignored in favor of emotion.
Once we have lost the rule of law, the nation is gone.
Literally nobody believes you and your talking point
They've been coached to say "asylum" as soon as they get here because that's the magic word that keeps the border wide open and everyone knows it
And, the border is not "wide open," which is also supported by the truth. If the border was wide open, as you say, there would not be a problem with illegals. We would not find trailer-trucks filled with dead bodies because there would be nothing stopping them from entering. We would not have families drowning trying to get across the Rio Grande. Coyotes would not exist.
These facts exist because our immigration system is broken. Again, we are a nation of laws. These immigration laws haven't had any meaning change in over thirty years, yet the problems we now face have arisen in the past ten. The solution is to reform the laws to reflect our current situation. Yet, there is great resistance to reform those laws. This resistance is spearheaded by those trying to score political points off the suffering our broken system causes the least fortunate. But, it's OK since those profiting from and perpetuating the suffering are calling themselves Christians.
Clown world.
Are we supposed to follow those or some made up ones?
And I hate to hear of the things you mentioned but firmly believe that if we followed the current laws and stringently monitored the border this would not happen.
And if you really believe a wide open border would stop the problems, then why is NYC and Martha's Vineyard balking at having these folks in their midst? Since I am sure most of them agree with open borders, why the resistance? They should welcome these folks.
It is okay as long as it is somewhere else.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
I find it hard to believe you hate to hear of the suffering caused by trying to work with the current laws. If you really hated to hear it, you would call for your legislators to change it. It seems that as long as the suffering is imposed on "those other people," you are just fine with it.
I never said a wide open border would stop the problems. And, it is another lie that NYC and MV are balking at having these folks in their midst. As for NYC, they have been welcoming immigrants for well over a hundred years. They even have a Statue on an island in their harbor stating as much. As for MV, there really isn't much there for the migrants. They are much better served by getting them help than by stunts designed to "piss off the libs." Regardless, the folks of MV did a whole lot more to help them than DeSantis, and for a whole lot less money.
The hypocrisy is, well, overwhelming. How folks who proclaim they believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ, a religion based on love and charity can be so hateful and selfish is amazing.
dermdoc said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:Manhattan said:Quote:
Why are libs who are for open borders upset that some illegal immigrants are being sent to them?
Because the people sending them are the ones making it difficult for them to get jobs and integrate into society.
Because conservative states don't want them and are honest about not wanting them. You of course ignore the root cause which is sh**ty democrat border policy.
It should not be the democrat or republican border policy.
It should be based on what the rule of law is unless it is changed.
If you really believe that when DeSantis pulled this stunt he was thinking only of the well being of the 50 folks who were lied to and used as pawns, well, that explains a lot.Definitely Not A Cop said:Watermelon Man said:All laws are "made up." That is the purpose of our legislature. As I stated, our immigration laws haven't had any meaningful changes in over 30 years. If he current laws aren't working, they need to be changed so they do work.dermdoc said:What are the laws now?Watermelon Man said:The majority of Americans believe it, because it is true. It's the ones trying to spread hate that are against the truth.Maroon Dawn said:Watermelon Man said:
Just want to point out that the title of this thread is promoting misinformation.
Illegals are not suing DeSantis. Lawyers representing illegals are not suing DeSantis.
The migrants flown to Martha's Vineyard are not in this country illegally. They have as much of a legal right to be here as you or I do (although, perhaps, only on a temporary basis).
These people are fleeing the Communist regime in Venezuela and have applied for asylum here in the US. They are anti-communists. They are awaiting a hearing to determine whether or not asylum will be granted or not. Until that hearing, there is nothing illegal about their immigration status, they are resident aliens. The idea that these are illegals pouring through an open border is just another lie the Right Wing Propaganda outlets are pumping to cause chaos and try to destroy America.
I say "try to destroy America," because that is what they are trying to do. This country is based on the rule of law (as per the US Constitution) and built on laws. By pushing these lies, they are undermining those laws and this encourages a group to form opinions based on emotion rather than the law, so the laws get ignored in favor of emotion.
Once we have lost the rule of law, the nation is gone.
Literally nobody believes you and your talking point
They've been coached to say "asylum" as soon as they get here because that's the magic word that keeps the border wide open and everyone knows it
And, the border is not "wide open," which is also supported by the truth. If the border was wide open, as you say, there would not be a problem with illegals. We would not find trailer-trucks filled with dead bodies because there would be nothing stopping them from entering. We would not have families drowning trying to get across the Rio Grande. Coyotes would not exist.
These facts exist because our immigration system is broken. Again, we are a nation of laws. These immigration laws haven't had any meaning change in over thirty years, yet the problems we now face have arisen in the past ten. The solution is to reform the laws to reflect our current situation. Yet, there is great resistance to reform those laws. This resistance is spearheaded by those trying to score political points off the suffering our broken system causes the least fortunate. But, it's OK since those profiting from and perpetuating the suffering are calling themselves Christians.
Clown world.
Are we supposed to follow those or some made up ones?
And I hate to hear of the things you mentioned but firmly believe that if we followed the current laws and stringently monitored the border this would not happen.
And if you really believe a wide open border would stop the problems, then why is NYC and Martha's Vineyard balking at having these folks in their midst? Since I am sure most of them agree with open borders, why the resistance? They should welcome these folks.
It is okay as long as it is somewhere else.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
I find it hard to believe you hate to hear of the suffering caused by trying to work with the current laws. If you really hated to hear it, you would call for your legislators to change it. It seems that as long as the suffering is imposed on "those other people," you are just fine with it.
I never said a wide open border would stop the problems. And, it is another lie that NYC and MV are balking at having these folks in their midst. As for NYC, they have been welcoming immigrants for well over a hundred years. They even have a Statue on an island in their harbor stating as much. As for MV, there really isn't much there for the migrants. They are much better served by getting them help than by stunts designed to "piss off the libs." Regardless, the folks of MV did a whole lot more to help them than DeSantis, and for a whole lot less money.
The hypocrisy is, well, overwhelming. How folks who proclaim they believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ, a religion based on love and charity can be so hateful and selfish is amazing.
Is it hateful or unchristian to send immigrants that are currently living under an overpass with 50,000 others to places that state they are welcoming of them with the immigrants signed consent?
