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This is Texas, our Governor needs to lead, not just be better than other states. He showed his true colors and just re-signed his COVID emergency declaration. He loves power and will take it again given the chance. I don't trust him any more than Beta.

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Beto is the leader that would have stood up to his Dem overlords and told them no? He runs every Dem talking point and does exactly what they tell him to. Every single one of your arguments for Beto over Abbot have been completely dishonest and full of BS. Try again. What policies of Beto do you want? Defunded police so there's more crime? Soft on illegal immigration? More gun restrictions for law abiding citizens? Because talking about COVID shut down or property taxes being too high is academically dishonest when you know the Dem candidate would be worse in those than the Republican.

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You can't get through to him. His Abbott Derangement Syndrome has broken him so much that he wants Beta to win just to get rid of Abbott.

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Most of us who hate Abbott are still likely to vote for him; we are just very tired of the fake two party binary we have been enslaved by for decades and the apparent lack of an appetite to break free from it.

I suppose most of the posters around here are boomers and only need to live another 15 years but some of us get to look forward to living another 40 years in communist state should we not break free from the establishment; its why some of us are done playing the bull**** game we have been set up with.

Sometimes, especially during the general election, the most appropriate question is who to vote against rather than who to vote for.

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Abbott is better at jogging than Beto.

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Yeah. Who goes jogging in a dress shirt?

Beto O'Rourke.

The same blue shirt he wears everywhere...

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But it has a blue collar. Can't you see what a working man looks like?

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This is Texas, our Governor needs to lead, not just be better than other states. He showed his true colors and just re-signed his COVID emergency declaration. He loves power and will take it again given the chance. I don't trust him any more than Beta.

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Beto is the leader that would have stood up to his Dem overlords and told them no? He runs every Dem talking point and does exactly what they tell him to. Every single one of your arguments for Beto over Abbot have been completely dishonest and full of BS. Try again. What policies of Beto do you want? Defunded police so there's more crime? Soft on illegal immigration? More gun restrictions for law abiding citizens? Because talking about COVID shut down or property taxes being too high is academically dishonest when you know the Dem candidate would be worse in those than the Republican.

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I've been completely honest. You just haven't paid attention. At best he could be called a RINO, but he's just another power hungry politician.

He had no right to shut down the state. He had no right to mandate masks. He had no right to throw business owners in jail. He had no right to limit the number of people who could enter your home or business. He had no right to tell you how close you could stand to someone. He has a lust for power that matches any Democrat alive today. He's just as soft on illegal immigration as anyone. He could stop it, but he chooses measures that only make the problem worse to show people that he's 'doing something'.

Don't believe me? New York is no longer under emergency declaration, but Abbott just re-signed ours. If Beta is elected, there will be more of the same. Besides, if the governor position is as weak as some people say, why does anyone care who wins?

Can someone explain the mother's against Greg Abbott sign to me
It says come and take it with a they/them on its back reading a book

So confused

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This is Texas, our Governor needs to lead, not just be better than other states. He showed his true colors and just re-signed his COVID emergency declaration. He loves power and will take it again given the chance. I don't trust him any more than Beta.

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You are beyond blind to equate them given Beto's explicit statements and intentions when running for WH.

The inability to do comparisons these days are mind-boggling.

If it really seems so "similar" understand there is still a difference between choosing to live under Mussolini rather than Hitler or Stalin.

And the difference is far wider than that. Texas has trended more a "Florida/DeSantis-lite" than any blue state.

To say otherwise is madness.

Cities dominated by ultra blue like Jenkins don't count, and even he has been balanced by a decent Mayor.

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This is Texas, our Governor needs to lead, not just be better than other states. He showed his true colors and just re-signed his COVID emergency declaration. He loves power and will take it again given the chance. I don't trust him any more than Beta.

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Beto is the leader that would have stood up to his Dem overlords and told them no? He runs every Dem talking point and does exactly what they tell him to. Every single one of your arguments for Beto over Abbot have been completely dishonest and full of BS. Try again. What policies of Beto do you want? Defunded police so there's more crime? Soft on illegal immigration? More gun restrictions for law abiding citizens? Because talking about COVID shut down or property taxes being too high is academically dishonest when you know the Dem candidate would be worse in those than the Republican.

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You can't get through to him. His Abbott Derangement Syndrome has broken him so much that he wants Beta to win just to get rid of Abbott.

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Most of us who hate Abbott are still likely to vote for him; we are just very tired of the fake two party binary we have been enslaved by for decades and the apparent lack of an appetite to break free from it.

I suppose most of the posters around here are boomers and only need to live another 15 years but some of us get to look forward to living another 40 years in communist state should we not break free from the establishment; its why some of us are done playing the bull**** game we have been set up with.

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If that is your angle, then it makes more sense. But understand this, it still pans out to it is essential to stop the OBiden agenda now --- not give it more governors. 2024 is actuallly irrelevant compared to these mid-terms for the reasons you state.

You need to buy time for what you have in view -- -you won't even get a breather if a Bidenite comes into control of Texas.

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Pookers said:

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This is Texas, our Governor needs to lead, not just be better than other states. He showed his true colors and just re-signed his COVID emergency declaration. He loves power and will take it again given the chance. I don't trust him any more than Beta.

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Beto is the leader that would have stood up to his Dem overlords and told them no? He runs every Dem talking point and does exactly what they tell him to. Every single one of your arguments for Beto over Abbot have been completely dishonest and full of BS. Try again. What policies of Beto do you want? Defunded police so there's more crime? Soft on illegal immigration? More gun restrictions for law abiding citizens? Because talking about COVID shut down or property taxes being too high is academically dishonest when you know the Dem candidate would be worse in those than the Republican.

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You can't get through to him. His Abbott Derangement Syndrome has broken him so much that he wants Beta to win just to get rid of Abbott.

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Most of us who hate Abbott are still likely to vote for him; we are just very tired of the fake two party binary we have been enslaved by for decades and the apparent lack of an appetite to break free from it.

I suppose most of the posters around here are boomers and only need to live another 15 years but some of us get to look forward to living another 40 years in communist state should we not break free from the establishment; its why some of us are done playing the bull**** game we have been set up with.

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If that is your angle, then it makes more sense. But understand this, it still pans out to it is essential to stop the OBiden agenda now --- not give it more governors. 2024 is actuallly irrelevant compared to these mid-terms for the reasons you state.

You need to buy time for what you have in view -- -you won't even get a breather if a Bidenite comes into control of Texas.

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Unless your average "conservative" voter figures out the GOPe is not in the business of putting "conservatives" into office then we are going to end up in the same gulags as if we voted democrat.

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The O'Dork supporting "conservatives" won't like this at all.

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My brother is mad at Abbott about the PUF fund stuff (he is a TT grad). So he wont vote for him OR any dem.

I think that is a stupid take.

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Agree with him that Texas Republicans need a better option, but remind him that abstaining from voting helps get us closer to Mr. Defund your Police, Come for your Guns, and Lower Border Security.

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We had at least 3 better options.

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Not for the general.

I am glad incumbent governor Greg Abbott's lead over Beto O' Rourke is widening. I understand the issues with Greg Abbott, but Beto O' Rourke advocates for defunding the police and open borders. A Democrat has not won a statewide election in Texas since 1994, and that will not change in November.

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yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it. but we are less than 5 weeks away from early voting starting.. a little more than 6 weeks from a critical election. Prather can sing a sad country song about it, but he isn't an option anymore. Now is not the time to ***** about it. Defeating fake mexican real pandejo is critical.

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I'm not complaining about the supposed criticality of beating Beto even though I want him to lose. I'm also not complaining about Abbott likely winning the general as I do want that.

My only complaint is that people have blinders for beating Beto that they do not see the long term consequences of continuing to vote for establishment types.

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long term consequences?

Abbott is meh. Not real bad, not good. Really screwed up on covid. Avoiding shutting down the border, so he doesn't rock the boat before election, or screw up his chance at running for pres.

WHO CARE? He's the governor; He has little power except the bully pulpit.

If you want long term conservative change, you should be more concerned with the Lt Gov and Speaker of the House. Did you take Texas govt in school?

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Yes….but this is an Abbott thread….

I brought your exact points up before primary season and people laughed me away because "Beto will destroy Texas with how powerful our governor is", which is completely false with our weak Governor government. Even more reason to risk an unproven anti establishment Governor candidate but that fell on deaf ears.

I actually wanted people to focus more on the legislature and Lt Gov in the primary but that wasn't the fun shiny discussion at the top of the ticket.

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Texas Governors have much more power than governor credit for. Yes, Lt. Gov is the president of the Senate, but Abbott has shown that he can single-handedly shut down the state with no checks on his power. Especially in-between sessions, he's essentially untouchable.

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This power was granted to him by special mysterious Covid special exceptions. (Dem fed)

SociallyConditionedAg said:

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This is Texas, our Governor needs to lead, not just be better than other states. He showed his true colors and just re-signed his COVID emergency declaration. He loves power and will take it again given the chance. I don't trust him any more than Beta.

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Abbott used power granted to him to follow recommendations of other "powers that were" at the time... in other words he did not use his "power" to deviate from dem suggestions.

Now dems are using their faulty suggestions to recommend a regime change... irony!

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SociallyConditionedAg said:

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This is Texas, our Governor needs to lead, not just be better than other states. He showed his true colors and just re-signed his COVID emergency declaration. He loves power and will take it again given the chance. I don't trust him any more than Beta.

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Beto is the leader that would have stood up to his Dem overlords and told them no? He runs every Dem talking point and does exactly what they tell him to. Every single one of your arguments for Beto over Abbot have been completely dishonest and full of BS. Try again. What policies of Beto do you want? Defunded police so there's more crime? Soft on illegal immigration? More gun restrictions for law abiding citizens? Because talking about COVID shut down or property taxes being too high is academically dishonest when you know the Dem candidate would be worse in those than the Republican.

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You can't get through to him. His Abbott Derangement Syndrome has broken him so much that he wants Beta to win just to get rid of Abbott.

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Most of us who hate Abbott are still likely to vote for him; we are just very tired of the fake two party binary we have been enslaved by for decades and the apparent lack of an appetite to break free from it.

I suppose most of the posters around here are boomers and only need to live another 15 years but some of us get to look forward to living another 40 years in communist state should we not break free from the establishment; its why some of us are done playing the bull**** game we have been set up with.

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The best way to solve this is for you to find the best candidate, and lobby for him during the PRIMARY.

Splitting the vote now, and presenting negative arguments now does not fix what YOU should have fixed in the PRIMARY. Making those arguments now only strengthen Beto, and encouages other voters to support Beto.

I suspect, many ADS "voters" in this thread are actually using this condition to subverlty elect Beto; all the while denying they are Beto supporters.

There is no other reason to discuss the primary or other options that should have been offered in the past primary otherwise.

In general, if you don't support Abbott, and are vocal about it, you are encouraging votes for Beto.

Is that your intention?

Any answer at this point is suspect.

LightningDammitt said:

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Pookers said:

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Bob Knights Liver said:

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This is Texas, our Governor needs to lead, not just be better than other states. He showed his true colors and just re-signed his COVID emergency declaration. He loves power and will take it again given the chance. I don't trust him any more than Beta.

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Beto is the leader that would have stood up to his Dem overlords and told them no? He runs every Dem talking point and does exactly what they tell him to. Every single one of your arguments for Beto over Abbot have been completely dishonest and full of BS. Try again. What policies of Beto do you want? Defunded police so there's more crime? Soft on illegal immigration? More gun restrictions for law abiding citizens? Because talking about COVID shut down or property taxes being too high is academically dishonest when you know the Dem candidate would be worse in those than the Republican.

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You can't get through to him. His Abbott Derangement Syndrome has broken him so much that he wants Beta to win just to get rid of Abbott.

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Most of us who hate Abbott are still likely to vote for him; we are just very tired of the fake two party binary we have been enslaved by for decades and the apparent lack of an appetite to break free from it.

I suppose most of the posters around here are boomers and only need to live another 15 years but some of us get to look forward to living another 40 years in communist state should we not break free from the establishment; its why some of us are done playing the bull**** game we have been set up with.

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The best way to solve this is for you to find the best candidate, and lobby for him during the PRIMARY.

Splitting the vote now, and presenting negative arguments now does not fix what YOU should have fixed in the PRIMARY. Making those arguments now only strengthen Beto, and encouages other voters to support Beto.

I suspect, many ADS "voters" in this thread are actually using this condition to subverlty elect Beto; all the while denying they are Beto supporters.

There is no other reason to discuss the primary or other options that should have been offered in the past primary otherwise.

In general, if you don't support Abbott, and are vocal about it, you are encouraging votes for Beto.

Is that your intention?

Any answer at this point is suspect.

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Your position is that TexAgs readers are going to be swayed into voting for Beto because people call out Abbott for being a squishy RINO? Thats a galaxy brain take you got there.

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SociallyConditionedAg said:

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This is Texas, our Governor needs to lead, not just be better than other states. He showed his true colors and just re-signed his COVID emergency declaration. He loves power and will take it again given the chance. I don't trust him any more than Beta.

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Beto is the leader that would have stood up to his Dem overlords and told them no? He runs every Dem talking point and does exactly what they tell him to. Every single one of your arguments for Beto over Abbot have been completely dishonest and full of BS. Try again. What policies of Beto do you want? Defunded police so there's more crime? Soft on illegal immigration? More gun restrictions for law abiding citizens? Because talking about COVID shut down or property taxes being too high is academically dishonest when you know the Dem candidate would be worse in those than the Republican.

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You can't get through to him. His Abbott Derangement Syndrome has broken him so much that he wants Beta to win just to get rid of Abbott.

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Most of us who hate Abbott are still likely to vote for him; we are just very tired of the fake two party binary we have been enslaved by for decades and the apparent lack of an appetite to break free from it.

I suppose most of the posters around here are boomers and only need to live another 15 years but some of us get to look forward to living another 40 years in communist state should we not break free from the establishment; its why some of us are done playing the bull**** game we have been set up with.

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The best way to solve this is for you to find the best candidate, and lobby for him during the PRIMARY.

Splitting the vote now, and presenting negative arguments now does not fix what YOU should have fixed in the PRIMARY. Making those arguments now only strengthen Beto, and encouages other voters to support Beto.

I suspect, many ADS "voters" in this thread are actually using this condition to subverlty elect Beto; all the while denying they are Beto supporters.

There is no other reason to discuss the primary or other options that should have been offered in the past primary otherwise.

In general, if you don't support Abbott, and are vocal about it, you are encouraging votes for Beto.

Is that your intention?

Any answer at this point is suspect.

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With all due respect, it sounds like your mind is made up that if a person does not vote for Abbott then they must support Beto.

You are ignoring all of the responses that explain the exact situation Texas is in and how solutions and discussions have been brought up in the past and present, though the response then and now have been to ignore those discussions and solutions. Just like this conversation.

I just want people to understand the long term consequences of continuing to vote in mass for establishment types. If they understand and choose to continue voting for them, great. At least they weighed the risk reward for themselves.

All we hear in these discussions is we must stop big bad Beto in the short term and they ignore any discussion about long term consequences.

To add, I'm not trying to convince people to not vote for Abbott and certainly not trying to convince people to vote for Beto.

I just want people to discuss and hopefully understand the long term consequences of continuing to support establishment types.

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To add, I'm not trying to convince people to not vote for Abbott and certainly not trying to convince people to vote for Beto.

I just want people to discuss and hopefully understand the long term consequences of continuing to support establishment types.

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May I ask what policies of Abbott are you specifically against?

Or is this all based on Covid response?

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This is Texas, our Governor needs to lead, not just be better than other states. He showed his true colors and just re-signed his COVID emergency declaration. He loves power and will take it again given the chance. I don't trust him any more than Beta.

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You are beyond blind to equate them given Beto's explicit statements and intentions when running for WH.

The inability to do comparisons these days are mind-boggling.

If it really seems so "similar" understand there is still a difference between choosing to live under Mussolini rather than Hitler or Stalin.

And the difference is far wider than that. Texas has trended more a "Florida/DeSantis-lite" than any blue state.

To say otherwise is madness.

Cities dominated by ultra blue like Jenkins don't count, and even he has been balanced by a decent Mayor.

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Beta states that he wants more power. Abbott just ignores the Constitution and takes it, so Abbott loses that argument.

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The O'Dork supporting "conservatives" won't like this at all.

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My brother is mad at Abbott about the PUF fund stuff (he is a TT grad). So he wont vote for him OR any dem.

I think that is a stupid take.

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Agree with him that Texas Republicans need a better option, but remind him that abstaining from voting helps get us closer to Mr. Defund your Police, Come for your Guns, and Lower Border Security.

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We had at least 3 better options.

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Not for the general.

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Just one better option in general Mark Tippetts.

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This is Texas, our Governor needs to lead, not just be better than other states. He showed his true colors and just re-signed his COVID emergency declaration. He loves power and will take it again given the chance. I don't trust him any more than Beta.

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Beto is the leader that would have stood up to his Dem overlords and told them no? He runs every Dem talking point and does exactly what they tell him to. Every single one of your arguments for Beto over Abbot have been completely dishonest and full of BS. Try again. What policies of Beto do you want? Defunded police so there's more crime? Soft on illegal immigration? More gun restrictions for law abiding citizens? Because talking about COVID shut down or property taxes being too high is academically dishonest when you know the Dem candidate would be worse in those than the Republican.

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You can't get through to him. His Abbott Derangement Syndrome has broken him so much that he wants Beta to win just to get rid of Abbott.

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Most of us who hate Abbott are still likely to vote for him; we are just very tired of the fake two party binary we have been enslaved by for decades and the apparent lack of an appetite to break free from it.

I suppose most of the posters around here are boomers and only need to live another 15 years but some of us get to look forward to living another 40 years in communist state should we not break free from the establishment; its why some of us are done playing the bull**** game we have been set up with.

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If that is your angle, then it makes more sense. But understand this, it still pans out to it is essential to stop the OBiden agenda now --- not give it more governors. 2024 is actuallly irrelevant compared to these mid-terms for the reasons you state.

You need to buy time for what you have in view -- -you won't even get a breather if a Bidenite comes into control of Texas.

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Unless your average "conservative" voter figures out the GOPe is not in the business of putting "conservatives" into office then we are going to end up in the same gulags as if we voted democrat.

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It is a mistake to think more viable options were offered---- the ones running didn't come across that way. We would be on the way to a Beto win by now with any of them. What has to happen is to start "manufacturing DeSantiss" if you will. Those with the means need to find a person and empower them with their money, to make up for the fact the person in question is not already rich.

That's actually the pattern followed by the big moves of change and counter-change - famous or infamous alike - if you look at it. The Trump kind is exceedingly rare. The military equivalents follow the same pattern---its usually not a Pentagon or General Staff type member who does it. Whatever model you are going by, your figure probably is not already independently wealthy. You have to form a structure to raise them. Those who are thinking in terms of 40 years such as yourself need to make that the project.

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This is Texas, our Governor needs to lead, not just be better than other states. He showed his true colors and just re-signed his COVID emergency declaration. He loves power and will take it again given the chance. I don't trust him any more than Beta.

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You are beyond blind to equate them given Beto's explicit statements and intentions when running for WH.

The inability to do comparisons these days are mind-boggling.

If it really seems so "similar" understand there is still a difference between choosing to live under Mussolini rather than Hitler or Stalin.

And the difference is far wider than that. Texas has trended more a "Florida/DeSantis-lite" than any blue state.

To say otherwise is madness.

Cities dominated by ultra blue like Jenkins don't count, and even he has been balanced by a decent Mayor.

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Beta states that he wants more power. Abbott just ignores the Constitution and takes it, so Abbott loses that argument.

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Can you give examples that do not relate to the black swan of Covid? Whereas plenty of Beto's statements of his bent have nothing to do with covid, and are a threat at any time.

What is Abbott doing since summer of 2020 that is so bad? Not law on the books---a law he is using.

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titan said:

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SociallyConditionedAg said:

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This is Texas, our Governor needs to lead, not just be better than other states. He showed his true colors and just re-signed his COVID emergency declaration. He loves power and will take it again given the chance. I don't trust him any more than Beta.

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You are beyond blind to equate them given Beto's explicit statements and intentions when running for WH.

The inability to do comparisons these days are mind-boggling.

If it really seems so "similar" understand there is still a difference between choosing to live under Mussolini rather than Hitler or Stalin.

And the difference is far wider than that. Texas has trended more a "Florida/DeSantis-lite" than any blue state.

To say otherwise is madness.

Cities dominated by ultra blue like Jenkins don't count, and even he has been balanced by a decent Mayor.

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Beta states that he wants more power. Abbott just ignores the Constitution and takes it, so Abbott loses that argument.

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Can you give examples that do not relate to the black swan of Covid? Whereas plenty of Beto's statements of his bent have nothing to do with covid, and are a threat at any time.

What is Abbott doing since summer of 2020 that is so bad? Not law on the books---a law he is using.

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I am curious also.

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To add, I'm not trying to convince people to not vote for Abbott and certainly not trying to convince people to vote for Beto.

I just want people to discuss and hopefully understand the long term consequences of continuing to support establishment types.

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May I ask what policies of Abbott are you specifically against?

Or is this all based on Covid response?

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Platform wise, Abbott and I are very close for an enthusiastic vote. I agree with 80-90% which is great. However the last 10-20% tends to be the more important topics surrounding personal freedom, border security, and Texas cost/benefit relationship with the U.S.

If he was a new candidate he would get my vote easily. The issue is I've seen how he either deviates from said platform, uses power to his advantage, and does not have the guts to do what's right when challenged.

With that said here are some of the 10-20% I do not agree with, though remember there is significantly more that he does that I do agree with.

* Yes, everything about his Covid response was an abuse of power. I won't go into details because I think everyone knows it, but they just make excuses because it wasn't as harsh as blue states….
* He never called an emergency legislative session.
* He never gave up the disaster declaration power or asked the legislature to refine it.
* Waited until Texas Independence Day to remove his mask mandate for political gain. This was a huge red flag showing his intentions.
* He is currently assisting illegals get further into our country be transportation them across the U.S.
* He is not protecting our border when the Fed refuses to do so. Doesn't have to shut it down, just don't keep allowing illegals to stay. This also effects human trafficking.
* Doing absolutely nothing to fix public school issues other than creating "plans" that just throw more money at the problems.
* He is doing nothing about 2A other than signing what the legislature gives him. This gripe is small though.
* He is attacking doctors etc for his pro-life stance, which I agree with the pro-life stance but do not agree with the dirty tactics he used.
* He is advocating for leftist companies to move to Texas thus bringing their leftist employees with them rather than encouraging hiring local.
* Doing absolutely nothing about the election snafu in 2020, or even bringing up how Texas is extremely dissatisfied with how the U.S. is treating red states and conservatives in general. At least set the tone that states form the union not the other way around. TEXIT, cough cough.

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Abbott.

We need to break the GOP gatekeeping system in this state so we can get an actual conservative into office.

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Well you had your chance in March it's time to move on from the primary Abbott is 100 times better than the socialist Marxist Beto

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Of course he is…But it's also like saying it's better than a sharp stick in the eye. Why do we have to settle for the quality of politicians running? Seems we are forced to choose the lesser of the evils Justin hopes of keeping left policies at bay. When are we going to select people who have the support and ability to move the dial?

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We had choices back on March 1 with Don Huffines and Allan West and Chad Prather but they lost so get over it and I voted for Don Huffines and I'm over it

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The primaries are a farce for numerous reasons. First, incumbency has so many advantages from fund raising to name recognition -- none of which were ever intended by either the framers or those like Locke who were the original designers of what we now know of as the democratic system or representative republic (call it whatever you want).

Second most people (regardless of party), even on here, take the attitude that they "know" the incumbent can beat the opposing party's challenger, they can't risk an (to them) unknown candidate, and they vote for the incumbent in the primary without even looking at the other candidates. You say we had "choices," but that really isn't true if people aren't making choices due to the system we have in place.

Third, multiple candidate single party primaries suffer from the same issues that multiple party primaries like in Alaska. People register for party affiliations they don't intend to vote for and vote for candidates they don't really support.

I don't know exactly how to fix all these problems but I'm sure we can start with term limits and come up with solutions to the other ones. But just saying "get over it" is like telling someone with a horrific injury to just deal with it. You're way more intelligent than that.

You make a lot of great points, many of which are why I did not cast a vote for Abbott during the primary. I will, however, vote for Abbott during the general simply because this is the system we have, and while Abbott is not particularly great, he is far better than that fake Hispanic piece of crap white guy Robert Francis.

I agree with Tea Party. But Abbott is who we have. I will enthusiastically support him in November.

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This is Texas, our Governor needs to lead, not just be better than other states. He showed his true colors and just re-signed his COVID emergency declaration. He loves power and will take it again given the chance. I don't trust him any more than Beta.

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You are beyond blind to equate them given Beto's explicit statements and intentions when running for WH.

The inability to do comparisons these days are mind-boggling.

If it really seems so "similar" understand there is still a difference between choosing to live under Mussolini rather than Hitler or Stalin.

And the difference is far wider than that. Texas has trended more a "Florida/DeSantis-lite" than any blue state.

To say otherwise is madness.

Cities dominated by ultra blue like Jenkins don't count, and even he has been balanced by a decent Mayor.

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Beta states that he wants more power. Abbott just ignores the Constitution and takes it, so Abbott loses that argument.

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Can you give examples that do not relate to the black swan of Covid? Whereas plenty of Beto's statements of his bent have nothing to do with covid, and are a threat at any time.

What is Abbott doing since summer of 2020 that is so bad? Not law on the books---a law he is using.

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I'm not sure why he should get a pass on his COVID actions. Those were treasonous and he should face life in prison for them at the very least. Churches were closed. Hospitals laid off doctors and nurses because cancer and heart treatments were banned. People died because of his actions. What else do you need?

**** Abbott. Guy is a pos.
Beto is not better.
Hamstrung by a 2 party system

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This is Texas, our Governor needs to lead, not just be better than other states. He showed his true colors and just re-signed his COVID emergency declaration. He loves power and will take it again given the chance. I don't trust him any more than Beta.

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You are beyond blind to equate them given Beto's explicit statements and intentions when running for WH.

The inability to do comparisons these days are mind-boggling.

If it really seems so "similar" understand there is still a difference between choosing to live under Mussolini rather than Hitler or Stalin.

And the difference is far wider than that. Texas has trended more a "Florida/DeSantis-lite" than any blue state.

To say otherwise is madness.

Cities dominated by ultra blue like Jenkins don't count, and even he has been balanced by a decent Mayor.

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Beta states that he wants more power. Abbott just ignores the Constitution and takes it, so Abbott loses that argument.

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Can you give examples that do not relate to the black swan of Covid? Whereas plenty of Beto's statements of his bent have nothing to do with covid, and are a threat at any time.

What is Abbott doing since summer of 2020 that is so bad? Not law on the books---a law he is using.

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I'm not sure why he should get a pass on his COVID actions. Those were treasonous and he should face life in prison for them at the very least. Churches were closed. Hospitals laid off doctors and nurses because cancer and heart treatments were banned. People died because of his actions. What else do you need?

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Its not so much a "pass" as being constantly tied to a damn black swan event that no one told the truth about because Brennand in particular and the OBidens in general had ruined the Intel agencies and we didn't have accurate knowledge about the virus to respond to when it arrived.

All those things happened. But how long did they keep happening? None of that by itself is special when nearly all are doing it. What matters is those states that led in walking back from it. Abbott was one of them -- if Jenkins had been Governor (i.e, a Beto) we would still be in it.

I agree Abbott is significantly better than Beto and do want him to win, though just not with huge enthusiastic turnout.

If the GOP sees high turnout and enthusiasm for an establishment type, they will keep pushing those types in the future and the LIV conservatives will continue voting for them in the primaries. Vicious long term cycle just to beat Beto now when we will have the same problem for the next Beto type.

If you understand that significant long term risk of voting for establishment types and still want to do so, then I am happy for you.

I would venture that if every person that reads the Abbott threads opted to vote third party or abstain, Abbott would still win in a blowout due to the large number of LIV conservatives, relatively low number of active readers here, and growing disdain of the leftist movement among the populace.

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This is Texas, our Governor needs to lead, not just be better than other states. He showed his true colors and just re-signed his COVID emergency declaration. He loves power and will take it again given the chance. I don't trust him any more than Beta.

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You are beyond blind to equate them given Beto's explicit statements and intentions when running for WH.

The inability to do comparisons these days are mind-boggling.

If it really seems so "similar" understand there is still a difference between choosing to live under Mussolini rather than Hitler or Stalin.

And the difference is far wider than that. Texas has trended more a "Florida/DeSantis-lite" than any blue state.

To say otherwise is madness.

Cities dominated by ultra blue like Jenkins don't count, and even he has been balanced by a decent Mayor.

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Beta states that he wants more power. Abbott just ignores the Constitution and takes it, so Abbott loses that argument.

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Can you give examples that do not relate to the black swan of Covid? Whereas plenty of Beto's statements of his bent have nothing to do with covid, and are a threat at any time.

What is Abbott doing since summer of 2020 that is so bad? Not law on the books---a law he is using.

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I'm not sure why he should get a pass on his COVID actions. Those were treasonous and he should face life in prison for them at the very least. Churches were closed. Hospitals laid off doctors and nurses because cancer and heart treatments were banned. People died because of his actions. What else do you need?

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Its not so much a "pass" as being constantly tied to a damn black swan event that no one told the truth about because Brennand in particular and the OBidens in general had ruined the Intel agencies and we didn't have accurate knowledge about the virus to respond to when it arrived.

All those things happened. But how long did they keep happening? None of that by itself is special when nearly all are doing it. What matters is those states that led in walking back from it. Abbott was one of them -- if Jenkins had been Governor (i.e, a Beto) we would still be in it.

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It didn't matter if it was the black plague, it was unconstitutional and he knew it. In fact, I'm sure he knew it was overblown. If he had half the information I had when it started, he knew. He should have had 1000x the information I did, so he has no excuse. He needs be in prison for treason, not governing the great state of Texas.

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I agree Abbott is significantly better than Beto and do want him to win, though just not with huge enthusiastic turnout.

If the GOP sees high turnout and enthusiasm for an establishment type, they will keep pushing those types in the future and the LIV conservatives will continue voting for them in the primaries.

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Even by your reasoning something you need to watch out for is that if Abbott has a huge turnout, it doesn't mean its because "establishment type" but may precisely result from what is widening now: the perception that he can be DeSantis-Lite.

You could be looking at a surge of enthusiasm that rewards Abbott for precisely the degree he is acting somewhat MAGA in some places and the hope to see this continue. The Beltway is not going to offer governors many choices going forward. Florida and Texas are now being spoken of together and this is a sign of the proper trend. Abbot if anything is pushing in the right way, not the wrong one, and to keep looking back at 2020 is a mistake.

The fact you say it doesn't matter if it was the black plague means we have to agree to disagree. But that's fine.

Nothing was clear-cut in the Feb-April 2020 range.

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I agree Abbott is significantly better than Beto and do want him to win, though just not with huge enthusiastic turnout.

If the GOP sees high turnout and enthusiasm for an establishment type, they will keep pushing those types in the future and the LIV conservatives will continue voting for them in the primaries.

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Even by your reasoning something you need to watch out for is that if Abbott has a huge turnout, it doesn't mean its because "establishment type" but may precisely result from what is widening now: the perception that he can be DeSantis-Lite.

You could be looking at a surge of enthusiasm that rewards Abbott for precisely the degree he is acting somewhat MAGA in some places and the hope to see this continue. The Beltway is not going to offer governors many choices going forward. Florida and Texas are now being spoken of together and this is a sign of the proper trend. Abbot if anything is pushing in the right way, not the wrong one, and to keep looking back at 2020 is a mistake.

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That is a good point that maybe the enthusiasm is partially his new found persona of mimicking DeSantis and in a much smaller fashion Trump. My worry against putting too much faith in that is this is happening in an election year. Everyone knows politicians have two sides, their election season side and their non election season side.

It is bad to ignore or minimize new trends like im doing, but it is also equally bad to ignore countering historical data. I'm not sure if the new Abbott is for real or if it's for show, but I strongly lean that it is for show based on his previous actions. I hope I'm wrong.

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This is Texas, our Governor needs to lead, not just be better than other states. He showed his true colors and just re-signed his COVID emergency declaration. He loves power and will take it again given the chance. I don't trust him any more than Beta.

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Beto is the leader that would have stood up to his Dem overlords and told them no? He runs every Dem talking point and does exactly what they tell him to. Every single one of your arguments for Beto over Abbot have been completely dishonest and full of BS. Try again. What policies of Beto do you want? Defunded police so there's more crime? Soft on illegal immigration? More gun restrictions for law abiding citizens? Because talking about COVID shut down or property taxes being too high is academically dishonest when you know the Dem candidate would be worse in those than the Republican.

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You can't get through to him. His Abbott Derangement Syndrome has broken him so much that he wants Beta to win just to get rid of Abbott.

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Most of us who hate Abbott are still likely to vote for him; we are just very tired of the fake two party binary we have been enslaved by for decades and the apparent lack of an appetite to break free from it.

I suppose most of the posters around here are boomers and only need to live another 15 years but some of us get to look forward to living another 40 years in communist state should we not break free from the establishment; its why some of us are done playing the bull**** game we have been set up with.

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The best way to solve this is for you to find the best candidate, and lobby for him during the PRIMARY.

Splitting the vote now, and presenting negative arguments now does not fix what YOU should have fixed in the PRIMARY. Making those arguments now only strengthen Beto, and encouages other voters to support Beto.

I suspect, many ADS "voters" in this thread are actually using this condition to subverlty elect Beto; all the while denying they are Beto supporters.

There is no other reason to discuss the primary or other options that should have been offered in the past primary otherwise.

In general, if you don't support Abbott, and are vocal about it, you are encouraging votes for Beto.

Is that your intention?

Any answer at this point is suspect.

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Your position is that TexAgs readers are going to be swayed into voting for Beto because people call out Abbott for being a squishy RINO? Thats a galaxy brain take you got there.

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If you are truly as passionate about Texas politics as you project on TexAgs, I would think you do the same politicking elsewhere. So no, not "just TexAgs" voter persuasiin on yoir part.

Semamtics and word games are true political tools to mamipulate the ignorant.