American Hardwood said:

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American Hardwood said:

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The dictionary defines per below. It's Wikipedia and leftists who add in "far right" to definition. The spectrum should be total gov control on left and no government control on right. Dictators on the left self governing civilians on the right. If Trump were to start weaponizing the DOJ/FBI to go after political opposition like Biden is doing, that would be going to the left, not the right. Right wing is anti-gov.

Fascism- a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

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No that's stupid. Because it says all government control is the same no matter what they do with it. There is a difference between Charlemagne and Chairman Mao. There is a difference between Pinochet and Che Guevara.

Right wing is not anti-gov. The left told you that so you wouldn't use the government against them. Seemed it work. Meanwhile they'll use the government and lack of government against you at will

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There are degrees on that scale. Somewhere to the right of all the forms of leftist authoritarians and somewhere to the left of total anarchy is a nice comfortable spot of limited government the respects and responds to individual liberty. That's where we SHOULD be.

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Again, your conception of a political spectrum has no basis in reality whatsoever.

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That's your opinion, you are still welcome to it. You can give me all the historical pretext for why you believe what you do, but pragmatically speaking, in America, that's left/right scale is pretty much how the land lays.

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So it is wrong for the government to outlaw abortion, that is a left wing position. It is right wing for the government to legalize child porn. Is this your assertion?

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I believe the American system is best. Decentralized power and the laboratory of states governing themselves how they wish. It is in the competition of ideology that will produce diverse solutions and environments. Choose the state which best fits you. If you want pro-abortion, go there. If you want pro-child porn, vote for it in your state.

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You do realize that this experiment as you present it failed in 1861, right?

Also it appears that you either have no moral principles or lack the conviction and fortitude to enforce them.

RebelE Infantry said:

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American Hardwood said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Silian Rail said:

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D-Fens said:

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The dictionary defines per below. It's Wikipedia and leftists who add in "far right" to definition. The spectrum should be total gov control on left and no government control on right. Dictators on the left self governing civilians on the right. If Trump were to start weaponizing the DOJ/FBI to go after political opposition like Biden is doing, that would be going to the left, not the right. Right wing is anti-gov.

Fascism- a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

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No that's stupid. Because it says all government control is the same no matter what they do with it. There is a difference between Charlemagne and Chairman Mao. There is a difference between Pinochet and Che Guevara.

Right wing is not anti-gov. The left told you that so you wouldn't use the government against them. Seemed it work. Meanwhile they'll use the government and lack of government against you at will

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There are degrees on that scale. Somewhere to the right of all the forms of leftist authoritarians and somewhere to the left of total anarchy is a nice comfortable spot of limited government the respects and responds to individual liberty. That's where we SHOULD be.

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Again, your conception of a political spectrum has no basis in reality whatsoever.

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That's your opinion, you are still welcome to it. You can give me all the historical pretext for why you believe what you do, but pragmatically speaking, in America, that's left/right scale is pretty much how the land lays.

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No one who considered themselves right wing would agree with this 35 years ago. Which, oddly enough, is right about when ex-Trotskyites seized control of the GOP under the name "neoconservatives."

Words mean things. Anarchy is anathema to a right wing philosophy.

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The only way for what you are describing to exist is if you abandon the right/left scale altogether. There aren't enough vectors to have right wing authoritarian, left wing totalitarians, and anarchists. I know there are other models out there and they are probably more accurate. I would welcome a discussion about them. But in the contemporary vernacular use of the left/right scale in America, I stand by my description.

RebelE Infantry said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Silian Rail said:

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American Hardwood said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Silian Rail said:

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D-Fens said:

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The dictionary defines per below. It's Wikipedia and leftists who add in "far right" to definition. The spectrum should be total gov control on left and no government control on right. Dictators on the left self governing civilians on the right. If Trump were to start weaponizing the DOJ/FBI to go after political opposition like Biden is doing, that would be going to the left, not the right. Right wing is anti-gov.

Fascism- a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

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No that's stupid. Because it says all government control is the same no matter what they do with it. There is a difference between Charlemagne and Chairman Mao. There is a difference between Pinochet and Che Guevara.

Right wing is not anti-gov. The left told you that so you wouldn't use the government against them. Seemed it work. Meanwhile they'll use the government and lack of government against you at will

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There are degrees on that scale. Somewhere to the right of all the forms of leftist authoritarians and somewhere to the left of total anarchy is a nice comfortable spot of limited government the respects and responds to individual liberty. That's where we SHOULD be.

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Again, your conception of a political spectrum has no basis in reality whatsoever.

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That's your opinion, you are still welcome to it. You can give me all the historical pretext for why you believe what you do, but pragmatically speaking, in America, that's left/right scale is pretty much how the land lays.

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So it is wrong for the government to outlaw abortion, that is a left wing position. It is right wing for the government to legalize child porn. Is this your assertion?

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I believe the American system is best. Decentralized power and the laboratory of states governing themselves how they wish. It is in the competition of ideology that will produce diverse solutions and environments. Choose the state which best fits you. If you want pro-abortion, go there. If you want pro-child porn, vote for it in your state.

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You do realize that this experiment as you present it failed in 1861, right?

Also it appears that you either have no moral principles or lack the conviction and fortitude to enforce them.

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Saying I don't want to become authoritarian to defeat authoritarians does not mean I lack moral conviction. It might mean that I am wary of the ill-considered accumulation and use of power.

That is a fairly succinct summation.

American Hardwood said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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American Hardwood said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Silian Rail said:

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D-Fens said:

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The dictionary defines per below. It's Wikipedia and leftists who add in "far right" to definition. The spectrum should be total gov control on left and no government control on right. Dictators on the left self governing civilians on the right. If Trump were to start weaponizing the DOJ/FBI to go after political opposition like Biden is doing, that would be going to the left, not the right. Right wing is anti-gov.

Fascism- a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

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No that's stupid. Because it says all government control is the same no matter what they do with it. There is a difference between Charlemagne and Chairman Mao. There is a difference between Pinochet and Che Guevara.

Right wing is not anti-gov. The left told you that so you wouldn't use the government against them. Seemed it work. Meanwhile they'll use the government and lack of government against you at will

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There are degrees on that scale. Somewhere to the right of all the forms of leftist authoritarians and somewhere to the left of total anarchy is a nice comfortable spot of limited government the respects and responds to individual liberty. That's where we SHOULD be.

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Again, your conception of a political spectrum has no basis in reality whatsoever.

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That's your opinion, you are still welcome to it. You can give me all the historical pretext for why you believe what you do, but pragmatically speaking, in America, that's left/right scale is pretty much how the land lays.

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No one who considered themselves right wing would agree with this 35 years ago. Which, oddly enough, is right about when ex-Trotskyites seized control of the GOP under the name "neoconservatives."

Words mean things. Anarchy is anathema to a right wing philosophy.

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The only way for what you are describing to exist is if you abandon the right/left scale altogether. There aren't enough vectors to have right wing authoritarian, left wing totalitarians, and anarchists. I know there are other models out there and they are probably more accurate. I would welcome a discussion about them. But in the contemporary vernacular use of the left/right scale in America, I stand by my description.

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Well in the contemporary vernacular "man" can also mean "woman" which corresponds to reality just as well as your concept of "left" and "right" on the political spectrum.

American Hardwood said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Silian Rail said:

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American Hardwood said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Silian Rail said:

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D-Fens said:

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The dictionary defines per below. It's Wikipedia and leftists who add in "far right" to definition. The spectrum should be total gov control on left and no government control on right. Dictators on the left self governing civilians on the right. If Trump were to start weaponizing the DOJ/FBI to go after political opposition like Biden is doing, that would be going to the left, not the right. Right wing is anti-gov.

Fascism- a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

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No that's stupid. Because it says all government control is the same no matter what they do with it. There is a difference between Charlemagne and Chairman Mao. There is a difference between Pinochet and Che Guevara.

Right wing is not anti-gov. The left told you that so you wouldn't use the government against them. Seemed it work. Meanwhile they'll use the government and lack of government against you at will

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There are degrees on that scale. Somewhere to the right of all the forms of leftist authoritarians and somewhere to the left of total anarchy is a nice comfortable spot of limited government the respects and responds to individual liberty. That's where we SHOULD be.

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Again, your conception of a political spectrum has no basis in reality whatsoever.

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That's your opinion, you are still welcome to it. You can give me all the historical pretext for why you believe what you do, but pragmatically speaking, in America, that's left/right scale is pretty much how the land lays.

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So it is wrong for the government to outlaw abortion, that is a left wing position. It is right wing for the government to legalize child porn. Is this your assertion?

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I believe the American system is best. Decentralized power and the laboratory of states governing themselves how they wish. It is in the competition of ideology that will produce diverse solutions and environments. Choose the state which best fits you. If you want pro-abortion, go there. If you want pro-child porn, vote for it in your state.

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You do realize that this experiment as you present it failed in 1861, right?

Also it appears that you either have no moral principles or lack the conviction and fortitude to enforce them.

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Saying I don't want to become authoritarian to defeat authoritarians does not mean I lack moral conviction. It might mean that I am wary of the ill-considered accumulation and use of power.

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In the current political environment all this means is that you're willing to have your enemy's moral values imposed upon you.

While you are busy drawing distinctions between various forms of tyranny, "they" are continuing to crush us under their heel. You got any solutions or are you just going to continue to post about historical definitions until "they" kick your door down? I am sure whatever flavor of authoritarian comes for you would love to hear your distinctions and historical breakdown.

RebelE Infantry said:

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American Hardwood said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Silian Rail said:

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American Hardwood said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Silian Rail said:

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D-Fens said:

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The dictionary defines per below. It's Wikipedia and leftists who add in "far right" to definition. The spectrum should be total gov control on left and no government control on right. Dictators on the left self governing civilians on the right. If Trump were to start weaponizing the DOJ/FBI to go after political opposition like Biden is doing, that would be going to the left, not the right. Right wing is anti-gov.

Fascism- a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

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No that's stupid. Because it says all government control is the same no matter what they do with it. There is a difference between Charlemagne and Chairman Mao. There is a difference between Pinochet and Che Guevara.

Right wing is not anti-gov. The left told you that so you wouldn't use the government against them. Seemed it work. Meanwhile they'll use the government and lack of government against you at will

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There are degrees on that scale. Somewhere to the right of all the forms of leftist authoritarians and somewhere to the left of total anarchy is a nice comfortable spot of limited government the respects and responds to individual liberty. That's where we SHOULD be.

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Again, your conception of a political spectrum has no basis in reality whatsoever.

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That's your opinion, you are still welcome to it. You can give me all the historical pretext for why you believe what you do, but pragmatically speaking, in America, that's left/right scale is pretty much how the land lays.

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So it is wrong for the government to outlaw abortion, that is a left wing position. It is right wing for the government to legalize child porn. Is this your assertion?

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I believe the American system is best. Decentralized power and the laboratory of states governing themselves how they wish. It is in the competition of ideology that will produce diverse solutions and environments. Choose the state which best fits you. If you want pro-abortion, go there. If you want pro-child porn, vote for it in your state.

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You do realize that this experiment as you present it failed in 1861, right?

Also it appears that you either have no moral principles or lack the conviction and fortitude to enforce them.

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Saying I don't want to become authoritarian to defeat authoritarians does not mean I lack moral conviction. It might mean that I am wary of the ill-considered accumulation and use of power.

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In the current political environment all this means is that you're willing to have your enemy's moral values imposed upon you.

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What can one man do in this environment other than hunker down, prepare to protect my family, and influence those in my circle? It used to be that you could vote, but that seems pretty dubious now considering 2020 and perhaps prior to that.

Waging a one man war against the government is folly.

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While you are busy drawing distinctions between various forms of tyranny, "they" are continuing to crush us under their heel. You got any solutions or are you just going to continue to post about historical definitions until "they" kick your door down? I am sure whatever flavor of authoritarian comes for you would love to hear your distinctions and historical breakdown.

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My solution is for the "right" to grow a freaking backbone, advocate for their own interests, and crush our enemies underfoot.

RebelE Infantry said:

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American Hardwood said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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American Hardwood said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Silian Rail said:

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D-Fens said:

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The dictionary defines per below. It's Wikipedia and leftists who add in "far right" to definition. The spectrum should be total gov control on left and no government control on right. Dictators on the left self governing civilians on the right. If Trump were to start weaponizing the DOJ/FBI to go after political opposition like Biden is doing, that would be going to the left, not the right. Right wing is anti-gov.

Fascism- a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

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No that's stupid. Because it says all government control is the same no matter what they do with it. There is a difference between Charlemagne and Chairman Mao. There is a difference between Pinochet and Che Guevara.

Right wing is not anti-gov. The left told you that so you wouldn't use the government against them. Seemed it work. Meanwhile they'll use the government and lack of government against you at will

---

There are degrees on that scale. Somewhere to the right of all the forms of leftist authoritarians and somewhere to the left of total anarchy is a nice comfortable spot of limited government the respects and responds to individual liberty. That's where we SHOULD be.

---

Again, your conception of a political spectrum has no basis in reality whatsoever.

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That's your opinion, you are still welcome to it. You can give me all the historical pretext for why you believe what you do, but pragmatically speaking, in America, that's left/right scale is pretty much how the land lays.

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No one who considered themselves right wing would agree with this 35 years ago. Which, oddly enough, is right about when ex-Trotskyites seized control of the GOP under the name "neoconservatives."

Words mean things. Anarchy is anathema to a right wing philosophy.

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The only way for what you are describing to exist is if you abandon the right/left scale altogether. There aren't enough vectors to have right wing authoritarian, left wing totalitarians, and anarchists. I know there are other models out there and they are probably more accurate. I would welcome a discussion about them. But in the contemporary vernacular use of the left/right scale in America, I stand by my description.

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Well in the contemporary vernacular "man" can also mean "woman" which corresponds to reality just as well as your concept of "left" and "right" on the political spectrum.

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That is silly. "Man" and "woman" is an objective truth. A man made scale describing various political leanings is not.

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American Hardwood said:

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While you are busy drawing distinctions between various forms of tyranny, "they" are continuing to crush us under their heel. You got any solutions or are you just going to continue to post about historical definitions until "they" kick your door down? I am sure whatever flavor of authoritarian comes for you would love to hear your distinctions and historical breakdown.

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My solution is for the "right" to grow a freaking backbone, advocate for their own interests, and crush our enemies underfoot.

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That is a goal, not a solution. Give me methods, a roadmap.

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Explain it to me like a below average Neanderthal that I must be,

Why is the mob attack on Tomi Lahren's carrying out her constitutional right just protesting vs Jan 6th the darkest day in the history of our nation? Other than here the cops didn't let them in.

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Because corrupt, immoral, godless liberals who aspire to tyranny are using both the Anarchists and the January 6th idiot LARPers to maintain and gain personal and political power.

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I have gotten to the point where I just hate any Nazi comparisons

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You know who else agrees?

The Nazis.

American Hardwood said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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American Hardwood said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Silian Rail said:

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American Hardwood said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Silian Rail said:

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D-Fens said:

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The dictionary defines per below. It's Wikipedia and leftists who add in "far right" to definition. The spectrum should be total gov control on left and no government control on right. Dictators on the left self governing civilians on the right. If Trump were to start weaponizing the DOJ/FBI to go after political opposition like Biden is doing, that would be going to the left, not the right. Right wing is anti-gov.

Fascism- a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

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No that's stupid. Because it says all government control is the same no matter what they do with it. There is a difference between Charlemagne and Chairman Mao. There is a difference between Pinochet and Che Guevara.

Right wing is not anti-gov. The left told you that so you wouldn't use the government against them. Seemed it work. Meanwhile they'll use the government and lack of government against you at will

---

There are degrees on that scale. Somewhere to the right of all the forms of leftist authoritarians and somewhere to the left of total anarchy is a nice comfortable spot of limited government the respects and responds to individual liberty. That's where we SHOULD be.

---

Again, your conception of a political spectrum has no basis in reality whatsoever.

---

That's your opinion, you are still welcome to it. You can give me all the historical pretext for why you believe what you do, but pragmatically speaking, in America, that's left/right scale is pretty much how the land lays.

---

So it is wrong for the government to outlaw abortion, that is a left wing position. It is right wing for the government to legalize child porn. Is this your assertion?

---

I believe the American system is best. Decentralized power and the laboratory of states governing themselves how they wish. It is in the competition of ideology that will produce diverse solutions and environments. Choose the state which best fits you. If you want pro-abortion, go there. If you want pro-child porn, vote for it in your state.

---

You do realize that this experiment as you present it failed in 1861, right?

Also it appears that you either have no moral principles or lack the conviction and fortitude to enforce them.

---

Saying I don't want to become authoritarian to defeat authoritarians does not mean I lack moral conviction. It might mean that I am wary of the ill-considered accumulation and use of power.

---

In the current political environment all this means is that you're willing to have your enemy's moral values imposed upon you.

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What can one man do in this environment other than hunker down, prepare to protect my family, and influence those in my circle? It used to be that you could vote, but that seems pretty dubious now considering 2020 and perhaps prior to that.

Waging a one man war against the government is folly.

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I mostly agree with this. But there is a new movement on the right that is drawing on discarded wisdom to build and recruit a new elite to lead a populist movement and overthrow the regime. It is important to note here that "regime" does not mean "system of government" per se. The regime that rules the American empire is comprised of an elite class far beyond the halls of government. The key is to achieve power and wield it effectively.

I really don't think you and I are really all that far apart in our beliefs. We argue about semantics. We could probably have long discussions about which power and how much should be wielded and by whom. I don't think there is a need to create more power or new power. The power is already there if we can get leaders with enough guts to do it. Taking away the governmental tools that the tyrants used really should not be that hard to do. The clamor would be intense, but so what? There is a lot of conventional wisdom people have been ingrained with that powerful institutions are untouchable. It really isn't the case.

I will say this though, the surveillance state is terrifying. It is really the one thing that can beat any resistance by killing it before it gets started. There is no defeating the 1984 scenario and we are getting dangerously close to that.

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I have gotten to the point where I just hate any Nazi comparisons

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You know who else agrees?

The Nazis.

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Props to you sir!

If you could convince me that a right wing group of populist elites could wield the power it takes to eliminate all forms of leftism and THEN dilute that concentration of power in favor of individual liberty, I'd be all ears. But, I have no desire to replace one tyrant with another just because of the colors of that teams jersey.

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It took a while but I think I figured it out. I believe what it comes down to is a few dozen students having a fit on their own university campus is not the same thing as a couple of thousand conspiracy theorists storming the national capital during the peaceful turnover of power of the most powerful elected position in the world.

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Is it though? Is her life worth less than Pelosi's, AOCs or even Pence?

Would she be justified shooting a student if they had poked their head through the door like Ashli Babbitt?

The same actions in a different theater are still the same actions.

Unless you are pretending it was an actual coup, then maybe you are the conspiracy theorist. Just sayin.

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But there is a new movement on the right that is drawing on discarded wisdom to build and recruit a new elite to lead a populist movement and overthrow the regime. It is important to note here that "regime" does not mean "system of government" per se. The regime that rules the American empire is comprised of an elite class far beyond the halls of government. The key is to achieve power and wield it effectively.

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LOL!

Read that and think about the kind of person who would write that.

Good luck with the "Discarded wisdom" of Mein Kampf and recruiting yourselves into the new elite (how fortuitous!", and of course your new movement, bowel or otherwise.

Liberating tolerance. That is exactly what this is. It requires official oppression via unequal treatment before the law.

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That shows a remarkably shallow grasp of history. Normally fascist movements have arisen to fight Marxist aggression and then dissolved when the aggression was gone.

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However, this time the Marxist (Democrats) are using the Fascist playbook to the letter to gain power and control through intimidation and violence. Right now, the "antifa" thugs are displaying their tactics in cities that are tolerating their antics however, when they think they have "graduated" and the Democrats have gained total power, they will be used in the Red States, with the blessing of the Democrats.