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I can understand not wanting clawback provisions. Hopefully in the future this is addressed. It seems nobody thought much or cared before the election. Perhaps in the future we could just use our tax dollars for this type stuff since election integrity is ine actually valid use of tax money.

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HELLO! Ever heard of the 400 million given to states under HAVA in 2020 in addition to Zuckbucks?

I have never visited Premium Boards. But the talent from there that comes over here, is...uhmm...lacking.

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the film has been overwhelmingly debunked.

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It seems like at best the GOP is claiming this was bad because of the clawbacks and say some money should go to outreach. It's just honestly kinda pathetic if we are at the point the GOP is complaining about unfair elections because a little bit of money went to get people to vote. If getting people to vote is bad for your party then your party has much bigger problems than this tiny amount of money. Ofcourse the GOP doesn't want to actually fund a secure election either. At worst this feels like an infraction based on a technicality. The handwringing about this is just more bad faith republicans making excuses for their party dying from their own self inflicted wounds.

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I can understand not wanting clawback provisions. Hopefully in the future this is addressed. It seems nobody thought much or cared before the election. Perhaps in the future we could just use our tax dollars for this type stuff since election integrity is ine actually valid use of tax money.

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The article critiquing this practice was published almost a week before the election.

Did you read any of this?

GPS data from the phone is a very different and much more precise method of determining location than which cell towers a phone pings off of.

That's why Twitter was able to give precise locations and True The Vote is full of **** when they claim they can. It's a completely different methodology, a completely different technology. Different things are not the same. That is the answer to OPs question.

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It seems like at best the GOP is claiming this was bad because of the clawbacks and say some money should go to outreach. It's just honestly kinda pathetic if we are at the point the GOP is complaining about unfair elections because a little bit of money went to get people to vote. If getting people to vote is bad for your party then your party has much bigger problems than this tiny amount of money. Ofcourse the GOP doesn't want to actually fund a secure election either. At worst this feels like an infraction based on a technicality. The handwringing about this is just more bad faith republicans making excuses for their party dying from their own self inflicted wounds.

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Then you are for Soros or Zuckerberg running and dictating the outcome of elections? How about Koch Brothers, Trump, Peter Thiel doing that? Okay with that??

FTR: Because of my deep dive intze o the history of electonic voting machines, I agree W. did not win in 2004. Kerry did. But there was no method to audit that election with no paper trail. Had you been a regular poster here for the last two years, you would know that I'm the honest purveyor of research here. When I am wrong, I apologize and say, "I stand corrected."

Will you?

The article you linked says March 30 2021

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It seems like at best the GOP is claiming this was bad because of the clawbacks and say some money should go to outreach.

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It seems to me that you are on like day-three of knowing what actually happened in the 2020 Election. You literally know nothing, yet are stanning for the DNC here by posting "debookned" every post instead of reading any word or even attempting to think for yourself.

You can lead a horse to water and all.

I don't see any meaningful influence coming from the very modest accusation here. I'd like govt to run elections and I don't see any reason to believe anyone else has any meaningful influence. I think there may be a small point on grants having requirements dictated by outside parties but most of what I've read was paying workers and getting equipment. It seems the part contested is due to outreach and it's unclear how much was spent on that. You may have a technical point but as I said, if the gop wants to blame losing the election on a bit of money going to voter outreached it's doomed. There's no future for a party that needs people not voting to win.

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The article you linked says March 30 2021

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https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/29/zuckerberg-paying-election-operations-vote-countin/

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It seems like at best the GOP is claiming this was bad because of the clawbacks and say some money should go to outreach. It's just honestly kinda pathetic if we are at the point the GOP is complaining about unfair elections because a little bit of money went to get people to vote. If getting people to vote is bad for your party then your party has much bigger problems than this tiny amount of money. Ofcourse the GOP doesn't want to actually fund a secure election either. At worst this feels like an infraction based on a technicality. The handwringing about this is just more bad faith republicans making excuses for their party dying from their own self inflicted wounds.

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FTR: Because of my deep dive intze o the history of electonic voting machines, I agree W. did not win in 2004. Kerry did.

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I actually opined about this as well months ago. There were news stories and documentaries about the Diebold machines, but they were raked over as "conspiracy theories" at the time by "sore losers". I really need to go back and watch them. It's the same playbook, but the only folks getting played our We The People on both sides of the aisle.

I voted for GWB (I was 19, it was my first time to vote at all), but knowing what I know now...Im not confident he won honestly.

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If you don't allow it to know your location, there are plenty of other ways like IP addresses. They can also see what other accounts you may have linked to. It's also not hard to go the OB route and just Google your handle, email address, or other information you've posted. From there it's just basic sleuthing. Really the only way to stay under the radar is either not have the platform or utilize a VPN, encrypted burner emails, a burner phone (don't wnt MAC address or anything being read that could link accounts), and not post anything remotely identifiable.

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Seems like a lot of work to guarantee a right to privacy. People don't seem to mind signing away their privacy in the word salad of the user agreements they sign. Or they don't read the agreement's and have no clue what is happening.

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It seems to me that you are on like day-three of knowing what actually happened in the 2020 Election. You literally know nothing, yet are stanning for the DNC here by posting "debookned" every post instead of reading any word or even attempting to think for yourself.

You can lead a horse to water and all.

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It's just getting hard to keep track of all the excuses the gop has made. Ofcourse you surely think I'm a democrat shill though I've never voted for one in my life. It's mind numbing watching republicans and democrats lap up everything they are spoon fed. You're just talking about small potatoes stuff.

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Pardon my typing skills being poor this late in the day as I tire more easily right now and my hands and brain don't have the regular connection at the moment. (I'll rally, don't worry.)

I voted for W. and never thought much about the 2004 election...until 2020. Where in the hell did Dominion Voting Systems come from?

Created by Obama/Holder Justice Department. Out of whole cloth. In 2010. When ES&S was forced to divest their holdings in Diebold...which ES&S bought for 5 million. That is it. Five million bought ES&S a large monopoly market in electronic voting. So Holder and Obama force ES&S to divest 30% of their business to only Dominion.

Not Smartmatic based. They could use the same or similar source code but the public will never get the chance to see that.

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I'm not surprised you and people here feel that way. They gave money to election officials to do their job. Anyone could apply and they funded everyone who did apply. There's no requirements to break the law as you claimed that I can see. It's not some big conspiracy.

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Thank you for raising this question.

By that answer I must assume you have copies/links to all of thos "grants" because since after the election and I started googling those among many others, they suddenly disapeared from the results page. And Youtube removed them as well.

You have them? Please, post the links!! Please!! I want to read them.

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Is this how it works in a court of law? You claim the grants required violating the law. You have no proof. So for some reason I need to find every one of them and prove to you they don't require violating the law?

I also cannot prove there is in fact not a pink elephant in my fridge. It might just be so tiny I can't find it.

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Yes, this is how it works on F16 if you dare challenge the Q level conspiracies. Not in the real world, but it's how it works here. And the same way nothing they have posted is convincing to you…absolutely nothing you counter with will convince them. It's embarrassing for Aggies in general but the lines of division are drawn. And not even necessarily between left and right. There are many on the right who don't believe the election was stolen, myself included. That of course means I'm a CM here (not that it means anything from anonymous posters). Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and unfortunately today people think they are entitled to their own 'facts'. In the words of George Constanza "it's not a lie…if you believe it"

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It seems like at best the GOP is claiming this was bad because of the clawbacks and say some money should go to outreach.

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It seems to me that you are on like day-three of knowing what actually happened in the 2020 Election. You literally know nothing, yet are stanning for the DNC here by posting "debookned" every post instead of reading any word or even attempting to think for yourself.

You can lead a horse to water and all.

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It's just getting hard to keep track of all the excuses the gop has made. Ofcourse you surely think I'm a democrat shill though I've never voted for one in my life. It's mind numbing watching republicans and democrats lap up everything they are spoon fed. You're just talking about small potatoes stuff.

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Do you really really believe we think all Republican voters are smart?

We don't.

You have now become Exihibit A.

Geolocation does work.... You make a connection from an ISP to Twitter either from your phone or your WIFI at home. Your IP addresses are tied to geolocations and Internet providers. There are so many OSINT tools out there that are free that would let you track someone down WITHOUT having a backdoor app installed on their phone. Imagine what you can do if you had the app installed. If would be like someone having an airtag you could see at all times that even had access to your phone camera.

The fact that Mudge is the one telling the truth up there should count for something. He was one of the original members of L0pht Heavy Industries, and helped all us kids acquire copies of games and software keys (L0phtcrack.)


https://www.ipvoid.com/ip-geolocation/
https://www.ipvoid.com/website-location-finder/

Sorry dame. I left the gop long ago. I can't be your exhibit a. Unfortunately I'm a liberty loving free market capitalist and as such I have nothing in common with republicans or democrats.

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Sorry dame. I left the gop long ago. I can't be your exhibit a. Unfortunately I'm a liberty loving free market capitalist and as such I have nothing in common with republicans or democrats.

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Okey doke.

I'm done here.

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Sorry dame. I left the gop long ago. I can't be your exhibit a. Unfortunately I'm a liberty loving free market capitalist and as such I have nothing in common with republicans or democrats.

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Awesome. We get to play the old guessing game.

Number of sock accounts
Paid actor
Username change #X
Definitely a premie poster

Fun stuff.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/10/business/location-data-privacy-apps.html

Say what you will about The NY Times, it's a pretty slick visual about just how well social media can track you.

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Doesn't look like a big deal in the slightest.

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/31/1088252896/private-funding-saved-the-2020-election-now-some-gop-led-states-are-banning-it

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You do understand that "saving" means "cheating" correct?

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I'm not surprised you and people here feel that way. They gave money to election officials to do their job. Anyone could apply and they funded everyone who did apply. There's no requirements to break the law as you claimed that I can see. It's not some big conspiracy. Trump just lost. He's an entirely unlikeable guy with a rabid fan base. There doesn't need to be a conspiracy to explain why he lost. I've never voted for a democrat in my life and I would never under any circumstances vote for trump. The gop needs to come back to reality. They aren't victims. They just aren't any good right now.

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Do you have any idea which counties the majority of that money went?

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that are probably a taxi driver or Uber driver who throughout the day drive by ballot boxes.

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The old taxi/Uber driver deflection. Because people always call for a taxi or an Uber while standing next to a drop box or an NGO.

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They wouldn't have to stand next to it. Ballot boxes and ngos are often in busy locations and areas and the way the data was utilize simply going by these locations in your car through the day would result in a positive the way D'Souza did it. The methodology here is incredibly weak.

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So, I just watched the movie and you are arguing a strawman here. Their methodology was clearly laid out that it had to be a pattern of going to a designated non-profit location and then to the dropbox. Not just going by a drop box. The pick up of ballots and then the drop off. Anyone, including professional media organizations, who drop that very important condition laid out clearly and repeatedly in the documentary are being intentionally deceitful and just lend more credence to his theory.

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I can understand not wanting clawback provisions. Hopefully in the future this is addressed. It seems nobody thought much or cared before the election. Perhaps in the future we could just use our tax dollars for this type stuff since election integrity is ine actually valid use of tax money.

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Oh, somebody cared. Somebody cared a lot. To the tune of $400 million.

These grants were blatantly illegal. Please quit saying that they were not. That is a lie. Now that you know it is a lie, please quit spreading lies.

As for election integrity, there are plenty of things we can do to help that:

1) Voter ID
2) In-person voting only
3) throwing ballot harvesters in jail
4) performing actual paper audits on contested results, instead of just re-counting electronic records
5) holding people accountable for election integrity, instead of just firing them for incompetence, like what happened to the person in charge of the election in Fulton County, or the election workers in Fulton county that shredded hundreds of voter registration forms.


There is a reason why no one trusts the integrity of the elections, and its not some cult of personality conspiracy theory. It's because they are corrupt.

the newest DEBOOONKNED talking point: twitter GPS = very good- accurate and precise. GPS data purchased by True The Vote = very bad, inaccurate.. all of those cell phones that visited drop boxes so many times = probably an uber driver.. therefore DEBOOONNKED. Most secure election evvvaarrr!!. No reason to ever look into how NGOs like Stacey Abrams' "Faircount.org" spent the millions they were given by Center for Civic Life, who received 350 million dollars from Zuckerberg. Totally normal. Would totally welcome Trump or someone to give 350 million dollars to right wing NGOs to go find all the R votes. Riiight.

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It seems like at best the GOP is claiming this was bad because of the clawbacks and say some money should go to outreach. It's just honestly kinda pathetic if we are at the point the GOP is complaining about unfair elections because a little bit of money went to get people to vote. If getting people to vote is bad for your party then your party has much bigger problems than this tiny amount of money. Ofcourse the GOP doesn't want to actually fund a secure election either. At worst this feels like an infraction based on a technicality. The handwringing about this is just more bad faith republicans making excuses for their party dying from their own self inflicted wounds.

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The majority of this money went to train election workers about how to deal with election watchers, using COVID as an excuse to shut them out.

The majority of the money went to the five counties that experience the 2am surprise jump in votes for Biden that swung the balance of the election.

That is one amazing coincidence.

So, you support universal voter ID and in-person voting for all but significant exceptions, like military or medical reasons, right? Because, if the GOP could pass that, it would be done tomorrow.

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the newest DEBOOONKNED talking point: twitter GPS = very good- accurate and precise. GPS data purchased by True The Vote = very bad, inaccurate.. all of those cell phones that visited drop boxes so many times = probably an uber driver.. therefore DEBOOONNKED. Most secure election evvvaarrr!!. No reason to ever look into how NGOs like Stacey Abrams' "Faircount.org" spent the millions they were given by Center for Civic Life, who received 350 million dollars from Zuckerberg. Totally normal. Would totally welcome Trump or someone to give 350 million dollars to right wing NGOs to go find all the R votes. Riiight.

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The amount of evil that comes out of MAGA devils makes the GPS data corrupt just by them standing next to it.

It's so obvious. Where have you been?

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that are probably a taxi driver or Uber driver who throughout the day drive by ballot boxes.

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The old taxi/Uber driver deflection. Because people always call for a taxi or an Uber while standing next to a drop box or an NGO.

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They wouldn't have to stand next to it. Ballot boxes and ngos are often in busy locations and areas and the way the data was utilize simply going by these locations in your car through the day would result in a positive the way D'Souza did it. The methodology here is incredibly weak.

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So, I just watched the movie and you are arguing a strawman here. Their methodology was clearly laid out that it had to be a pattern of going to a designated non-profit location and then to the dropbox. Not just going by a drop box. The pick up of ballots and then the drop off. Anyone, including professional media organizations, who drop that very important condition laid out clearly and repeatedly in the documentary are being intentionally deceitful and just lend more credence to his theory.

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Their location had to ping near an ngo and a drop box. There is no telling if they stopped at either place or drove past or anything like that. When you have that many data points you are bound to find some people who have gone by these locations throughout there day. Literally the workers picking up the ballots would get caught in their methodology. If you drive to several drop boxes to pick up you very likely also happened to pass by a ngo. Their case is incredibly weak.

I've been here all along, but there's a talking hateful little communist thermos above explaining to us dummies that twitter has gps data straight from everyone's phones so it's super accurate, but the data that True the Vote used is from cell tower pings so you can't trust those 2000 cell phones that visited NGO addresses and several drop boxes a minimum of 10 times. those might be Uber drivers, so no one should be suspicious at all and no one better look into it.

Silliness. I support a holiday for voting and mail in voting for everyone. I support our tax dollars doing something useful like being prepared for elections and securing them.

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The old taxi/Uber driver deflection. Because people always call for a taxi or an Uber while standing next to a drop box or an NGO.

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They wouldn't have to stand next to it. Ballot boxes and ngos are often in busy locations and areas and the way the data was utilize simply going by these locations in your car through the day would result in a positive the way D'Souza did it. The methodology here is incredibly weak.

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So, I just watched the movie and you are arguing a strawman here. Their methodology was clearly laid out that it had to be a pattern of going to a designated non-profit location and then to the dropbox. Not just going by a drop box. The pick up of ballots and then the drop off. Anyone, including professional media organizations, who drop that very important condition laid out clearly and repeatedly in the documentary are being intentionally deceitful and just lend more credence to his theory.

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Their location had to ping near an ngo and a drop box. There is no telling if they stopped at either place or drove past or anything like that. When you have that many data points you are bound to find some people who have gone by these locations throughout there day. Literally the workers picking up the ballots would get caught in their methodology. If you drive to several drop boxes to pick up you very likely also happened to pass by a ngo. Their case is incredibly weak.

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You are truly blissful! Can't tell if it's willful or ignorance.

BTW, America in general is very concerned about election integrity.

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Silliness. I support a holiday for voting and mail in voting for everyone. I support our tax dollars doing something useful like being prepared for elections and securing them.

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Mail in voting is ripe for fraud.

Even the Democratic party, including Joe Biden, said so in the 1980's.

You can't be both for secure elections and also for mail-in voting.

I love the election day holiday to vote, though. Sign me up.

No it's not and the word you want is rife, not ripe