If geolocation doesn't work, how does twitter do it?

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aggiehawg
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Zatko told the story of a Twitter executive that was being harassed by a Twitter user and requested extra information on the potential harasser. Zatko stated:
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A user on Twitter was harassing some members of the executive team and some members of the board. And as an example, this person, the CTO came to me and said Mudge [Zatko's hacker handle], you know, is this a real viable threat? Do I need to be worried? You know, who is this person? And it took me maybe 30 minutes to reach out to an employee and say, what do we know about this person?

And then it only took that person, maybe 10 minutes to get back to me and say, here's who they are. This is the address where they live. This is where they are physically at this moment. They're on their phone. We know their phone number. We also know all of the other accounts that they've tried to set up on the system and hide, and we know who they are on the other social media platforms as well.

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spicyitalian
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That's the magic sauce that Elon Musk was after for his self driving ugly cars.
funkycoldpetina
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What do you mean "if geolocation doesn't work?" Most apps can be set to allow it to know your location, not know it or only while using it. They can see IPs you're logging in from, there is various information people put into Twitter.
aggiehawg
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funkycoldpetina said:

What do you mean "if geolocation doesn't work?" Most apps can be set to allow it to know your location, not know it or only while using it. They can see IPs you're logging in from, there is various information people put into Twitter.
The people "debunking" 2000 Mules claim geolocation doesn't work, such as Bill Barr.
Smittyfubar
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Because they're democrats. That's all that matters.
ABATTBQ11
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If you don't allow it to know your location, there are plenty of other ways like IP addresses. They can also see what other accounts you may have linked to. It's also not hard to go the OB route and just Google your handle, email address, or other information you've posted. From there it's just basic sleuthing. Really the only way to stay under the radar is either not have the platform or utilize a VPN, encrypted burner emails, a burner phone (don't wnt MAC address or anything being read that could link accounts), and not post anything remotely identifiable.
funkycoldpetina
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/19/even-geolocation-maps-2000-mules-are-misleading/

I'm sure you'll hate the source but you're really comparing apples and oranges.

Twitter knowing where somebody is while they are on the app sharing their geolocation data is not the same as buying geolocation data for advertising and then smoothing over the various location pings throughout a day to create a path then laying it over a map that doesn't even accurately show where drop boxes are.
ABATTBQ11
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As they noted, those were not the actual visuals or what was really used for analysis. Those were more representative visuals to look cool on screen. It's basically B roll footage used by any documentary. I do data visualization, and usually it's boring AF. If you're going to be doing this sort of analysis, there is a lot more that goes into it than what can go onto a tablet screen at a discussion table.
funkycoldpetina
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I think as a matter of professionalism this is a situation where you'd put the boxes in the correct spot. I guess it matters little since the film has been overwhelmingly debunked. It's like D'Souza has never heard of cab drivers or Uber drivers.

Or FedEx and UPS drivers and whoever's job it is to actually pick up ballots.
TravelAg2004
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You do know the NYT all but said the type of tracking done in 2000 Mules is accurate and can be done by just about anybody, right?

I mean, they actually said it almost 2 years before the movie was released, but same thing.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/19/opinion/location-tracking-cell-phone.html
aggiehawg
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funkycoldpetina said:

I think as a matter of professionalism this is a situation where you'd put the boxes in the correct spot. I guess it matters little since the film has been overwhelmingly debunked. It's like D'Souza has never heard of cab drivers or Uber drivers.

Or FedEx and UPS drivers and whoever's job it is to actually pick up ballots.
Tell me you never watched the movie without telling me you never watched the movie.

LOL.
funkycoldpetina
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2000 miles didn't do what the NYT is describing. They just churned through a **** ton of data seeking out as many close-ish encounters with a ballot box as they could then assert its ballot stuffing.

The NYT is talking about granularity finding data associated with a small group of high profile people then using more data to assign them to a data set.

2000 mules doesn't connect their accusation to real life. It just shows somebody who exists was writhing about 100 feet of multiple ballot boxes. When looking at the sheer amount of data they are it would be surprising for them not to find a couple data points that are probably a taxi driver or Uber driver who throughout the day drive by ballot boxes.
BadMoonRisin
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"I never saw it, but DEBOONKED!"
aggiehawg
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that are probably a taxi driver or Uber driver who throughout the day drive by ballot boxes.
The old taxi/Uber driver deflection. Because people always call for a taxi or an Uber while standing next to a drop box or an NGO.
funkycoldpetina
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Maybe debunked is too strong but it simply doesn't make the case at all.

https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-covid-technology-health-arizona-e1b49d2311bf900f44fa5c6dac406762

What D'Souza did is similar to when bad actors in scientific research farm a large dataset for correlations then make up a hypothesis to explain it.
funkycoldpetina
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aggiehawg said:

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that are probably a taxi driver or Uber driver who throughout the day drive by ballot boxes.
The old taxi/Uber driver deflection. Because people always call for a taxi or an Uber while standing next to a drop box or an NGO.


They wouldn't have to stand next to it. Ballot boxes and ngos are often in busy locations and areas and the way the data was utilize simply going by these locations in your car through the day would result in a positive the way D'Souza did it. The methodology here is incredibly weak.
aggiehawg
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funkycoldpetina said:

Maybe debunked is too strong but it simply doesn't make the case at all.

https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-covid-technology-health-arizona-e1b49d2311bf900f44fa5c6dac406762

What D'Souza did is similar to when bad actors in scientific research farm a large dataset for correlations then make up a hypothesis to explain it.
May I ask you a specific question?

Do you agree with Zuckerberg handing out nearly 400 million in "grants" to election officials that required them to do exactly what was stated in those grants, which specifically included actions in violation of election laws?
funkycoldpetina
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aggiehawg said:

funkycoldpetina said:

Maybe debunked is too strong but it simply doesn't make the case at all.

https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-covid-technology-health-arizona-e1b49d2311bf900f44fa5c6dac406762

What D'Souza did is similar to when bad actors in scientific research farm a large dataset for correlations then make up a hypothesis to explain it.
May I ask you a specific question?

Do you agree with Zuckerberg handing out nearly 400 million in "grants" to election officials that required them to do exactly what was stated in those grants, which specifically included actions in violation of election laws?


I don't like zuck but I'm not up on the latest conspiracies so could you share a link to what you are talking about?
BadMoonRisin
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funkycoldpetina said:

aggiehawg said:

funkycoldpetina said:

Maybe debunked is too strong but it simply doesn't make the case at all.

https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-covid-technology-health-arizona-e1b49d2311bf900f44fa5c6dac406762

What D'Souza did is similar to when bad actors in scientific research farm a large dataset for correlations then make up a hypothesis to explain it.
May I ask you a specific question?

Do you agree with Zuckerberg handing out nearly 400 million in "grants" to election officials that required them to do exactly what was stated in those grants, which specifically included actions in violation of election laws?


I don't like zuck but I'm not up on the latest conspiracies so could you share a link to what you are talking about?
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3154874/replies/57866860

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/29/zuckerberg-paying-election-operations-vote-countin/

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Facebook magnate Mark Zuckerberg and his wife gave a nonprofit $400 million to pay election workers, train poll workers and rent polling locations for the Nov. 3 vote in various states.

The Zuckerbergs' largesse is an unprecedented private expenditure on a process long held to be an exclusively public operation and has spurred at least nine lawsuits challenging the effort by the Center for Tech and Civil Life.

The donation to the center roughly equals what Congress appropriated to the states in this year's CARES Act to pay for running elections in 2020 amid the tumult of the COVID-19 pandemic, critics charged.

"We've invited billionaires into the counting room and it will undermine the integrity of our elections. It's unprecedented," said Phill Kline, director of the Amistad Project, an initiative started by the conservative Thomas More Society to defend civil liberties.

"We are headed toward a situation in which Big Tech controls the flow of information and the election process. These are the first things any oligarchy wants to control when it takes power."

The Center for Tech and Civic Life, which was established in 2015, received $300 million from Mr. Zuckerberg's wife, Priscilla Chan, on Sept. 1 and then another $100 million on Oct. 13, according to the center's press releases.

One of the complaints says that the group distributed money primarily in grants to Democratic regions. Thus far, that argument has not held up in court and is based on what critics acknowledge is an incomplete picture of how much the group has spent and where it has done so.

A graphic at the group's website, however, does show heavy grant-giving in traditionally blue areas. A red dot on a U.S. map is used to show each grant application the nonprofit received, and the dots virtually cover Michigan's mitten and are thickly clustered along the Northeastern seaboard.

Mr. Landry has asked the district court to reconsider its ruling, and he plans to appeal if it is upheld.
He likened the project, which involves "money being sprinkled around the country in an inequitable manner," to an "invisible hand" that could influence how ballots are collected and counted.

"And we've got enough money," Mr. Landry said of Louisiana's election apparatus. "If Zuckerberg wants to do this, he should give the money through proper channels so we don't have corporate boardrooms and billionaires spending the money."

"They're betting the law won't respond in time to stop this project," Mr. Kline said. "And they're probably right, but they know it's wrong."
Notice the dates donated (Sept 1st, Oct 13th) and then the date of the article -- October 29th, 2020. Before the November election. People were blowing the whistle about his in court before the election.
aggiehawg
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Thanks for the assist, BadMoon.
funkycoldpetina
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Doesn't look like a big deal in the slightest.

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/31/1088252896/private-funding-saved-the-2020-election-now-some-gop-led-states-are-banning-it
BadMoonRisin
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lmao:



Ooh, NPR. Ctrl+C, CTRL+V.

DEBOONKED!
oh no
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geofencing is very precise for political opponents of the regime. It's entirely inaccurate for the mail in ballot drop boxes though.
aggiehawg
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funkycoldpetina said:

Doesn't look like a big deal in the slightest.

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/31/1088252896/private-funding-saved-the-2020-election-now-some-gop-led-states-are-banning-it
You do understand that "saving" means "cheating" correct?
funkycoldpetina
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aggiehawg said:

funkycoldpetina said:

Doesn't look like a big deal in the slightest.

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/31/1088252896/private-funding-saved-the-2020-election-now-some-gop-led-states-are-banning-it
You do understand that "saving" means "cheating" correct?


I'm not surprised you and people here feel that way. They gave money to election officials to do their job. Anyone could apply and they funded everyone who did apply. There's no requirements to break the law as you claimed that I can see. It's not some big conspiracy. Trump just lost. He's an entirely unlikeable guy with a rabid fan base. There doesn't need to be a conspiracy to explain why he lost. I've never voted for a democrat in my life and I would never under any circumstances vote for trump. The gop needs to come back to reality. They aren't victims. They just aren't any good right now.
BadMoonRisin
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funkycoldpetina said:

aggiehawg said:

funkycoldpetina said:

Maybe debunked is too strong but it simply doesn't make the case at all.

https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-covid-technology-health-arizona-e1b49d2311bf900f44fa5c6dac406762

What D'Souza did is similar to when bad actors in scientific research farm a large dataset for correlations then make up a hypothesis to explain it.
May I ask you a specific question?

Do you agree with Zuckerberg handing out nearly 400 million in "grants" to election officials that required them to do exactly what was stated in those grants, which specifically included actions in violation of election laws?


I don't like zuck but I'm not up on the latest conspiracies so could you share a link to what you are talking about?
So just to bring us back. Answer her question. The link you posted did not refute what aggiehawg asked you. What you called a "conspiracy theory" just 30 minutes or so ago, you actually confirmed yourself is true. The link you posted did not deny it, but told you why "its okay" in their opinion. Answer the question.

I'll leave it to hawg to address the claw-back provisions, drop boxes requirements, etc that broke laws. She has way more receipts than I do.
Funky Winkerbean
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funkycoldpetina said:

aggiehawg said:

funkycoldpetina said:

Maybe debunked is too strong but it simply doesn't make the case at all.

https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-covid-technology-health-arizona-e1b49d2311bf900f44fa5c6dac406762

What D'Souza did is similar to when bad actors in scientific research farm a large dataset for correlations then make up a hypothesis to explain it.
May I ask you a specific question?

Do you agree with Zuckerberg handing out nearly 400 million in "grants" to election officials that required them to do exactly what was stated in those grants, which specifically included actions in violation of election laws?


I don't like zuck but I'm not up on the latest conspiracies so could you share a link to what you are talking about?
You're not "up on the latest" but you are certain 2000 Mules has been debunked? You lack intellectual integrity.
funkycoldpetina
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Nothing in the grants violated the law or came close to violating the law. That is the conspiracy.
aggiehawg
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I'm not surprised you and people here feel that way. They gave money to election officials to do their job. Anyone could apply and they funded everyone who did apply. There's no requirements to break the law as you claimed that I can see. It's not some big conspiracy.
Thank you for raising this question.

By that answer I must assume you have copies/links to all of thos "grants" because since after the election and I started googling those among many others, they suddenly disapeared from the results page. And Youtube removed them as well.

You have them? Please, post the links!! Please!! I want to read them.
funkycoldpetina
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I mean it's not exactly a rigorous documentary by a serious person.
funkycoldpetina
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aggiehawg said:

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I'm not surprised you and people here feel that way. They gave money to election officials to do their job. Anyone could apply and they funded everyone who did apply. There's no requirements to break the law as you claimed that I can see. It's not some big conspiracy.
Thank you for raising this question.

By that answer I must assume you have copies/links to all of thos "grants" because since after the election and I started googling those among many others, they suddenly disapeared from the results page. And Youtube removed them as well.

You have them? Please, post the links!! Please!! I want to read them.


Is this how it works in a court of law? You claim the grants required violating the law. You have no proof. So for some reason I need to find every one of them and prove to you they don't require violating the law?

I also cannot prove there is in fact not a pink elephant in my fridge. It might just be so tiny I can't find it.
BadMoonRisin
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funkycoldpetina said:

Nothing in the grants violated the law or came close to violating the law. That is the conspiracy.
This is just one state:

https://wisconsinspotlight.com/conditional-election-grants/

Not that you will even open this link, nevermind read any of it.

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CTCL's contract that the Green Bay Common Council approved warns that the grant was to be used "only for" safe and secure election administration, "and for no other purposes."

Under the agreement, Green Bay had to produce a report documenting how it used the outside funding over the course of the grant period, which ran between Jun 15 and Dec. 31.

The Zuckerberg money came with clawback provisions, too.

"CTCL may discontinue, modify, withhold part of, or ask for the return of all or part of the grant funds if it determines, in its sole judgment, that (a) any of the above conditions have not been met or (b) it must do so to comply with applicable laws or regulations," the contract states.

That's a problem, according to Erick Kaardal, an appellate law attorney. In fact, all of the strings in the contract present a big problem: They violate the constitution.

"The city clerk has charge and supervision of the election. Once the city council appoints the clerk they're supposed to leave the clerk alone and let her do her job," said Kaardal, who represents the Wisconsin Voters Alliance, which has challenged the constitutionality of election procedures in Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin following November's election.

Signing contracts that place conditions on cities, that ultimately place conditions on local elections officials, usurps a clerks' duty and responsibility to operate fair and transparent elections, Kaardal said.

State Sen. Andre Jacque (R-De Pere) said he was concerned early on about the intervention of "shadowy third party groups" in Wisconsin's elections.

"They basically required election administration changes in exchange for grant dollars, which is quid pro quo," Jacque said.

What do you call it when you donate a large sum of money to "help with election safety", presumably out of nothing but the goodness of your own lizard-person heart....and also threaten that at any time we can take the money back if you dont do what we say?

And what good was all of that extra $, when it still took almost a week to count the gd votes anyway. If the money went to where you really think it went to, this would have been the fastest declared victory in election history. It had Big Tech running the votes.
aggiehawg
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Great save again, BadMoon!

Glad some people were paying attention when I was doing such a deep dive on this, that coming up for air involved decompresssion to get the nitrogen out, so no bends. (Hyperbole of course but I was a diver.)
funkycoldpetina
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I can understand not wanting clawback provisions. Hopefully in the future this is addressed. It seems nobody thought much or cared before the election. Perhaps in the future we could just use our tax dollars for this type stuff since election integrity is ine actually valid use of tax money.
Robert L. Peters
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It really doesn't matters. Stop using social media. It's crap
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