Please keep up with what your kids are doing online

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Man accused of having sex with 11-year-old Illinois girl faces federal charge (fox59.com)

I know it's hard to keep up with everything.

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During an Aug. 29 interview with the 11-year-old old girl, police learned the two had met while playing video games online and chatted together via headsets. She told investigators Clark picked her up in his Mustang and drove her to Indiana.

Incredibly quick investigative work and teamwork between multiple law enforcement agencies led to the man's doorstep (his parent's house) by the next morning.
ProgN
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Predators infest all those games and parents should definitely monitor the activity.

Manhattan
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I'm not blaming the father… but where was he?
NorthWoodsAg
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Manhattan said:

I'm not blaming the father… but where was he?
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If you read the article you would know that answer.
P.H. Dexippus
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Oh he's just a Minor Attracted Person, give him a break/libs
black_ice
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Manhattan said:

I'm not blaming the father… but where was he?


You didn't read the article.
Slyfox07
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Amazing how fast investigators can get into social media and piece things like this together. They're very good at that.

Talk about a gold mine of data.
TravelAg2004
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Manhattan said:

I'm not blaming the father… but where was he?
According to the article:

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The 11-year-old girl told her father she was going to a friend's house on Aug. 27. However, when her father contacted her friend, he learned his daughter never made it to their house and the friend didn't know where she was.

At that point, investigators in Illinois believed they were investigating the disappearance of a child. They made emergency requests to find the email address tied to the girl's Snapchat account. Investigators then gained access to her Snapchat, Gmail and Discord accounts, leading them to a transcript between the 11-year-old girl and another user on the chat service.
Sounds like he wasn't completely absent, but it's concerning the amount of digital accounts this girl had.

Why does an 11 yr old need a snapchat and discord account?
Slyfox07
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TravelAg2004 said:

Manhattan said:

I'm not blaming the father… but where was he?
According to the article:

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The 11-year-old girl told her father she was going to a friend's house on Aug. 27. However, when her father contacted her friend, he learned his daughter never made it to their house and the friend didn't know where she was.

At that point, investigators in Illinois believed they were investigating the disappearance of a child. They made emergency requests to find the email address tied to the girl's Snapchat account. Investigators then gained access to her Snapchat, Gmail and Discord accounts, leading them to a transcript between the 11-year-old girl and another user on the chat service.
Sounds like he wasn't completely absent, but it's concerning the amount of digital accounts this girl had.

Why does an 11 yr old need a snapchat and discord account?
Completely agree.

I recently got an ipad for my 10 year old daughter. Spent HOURS locking down access to things I deemed potentially dangerous. I still feel like I missed something.

This world is full of threats, and we can do all we can to insulate our kids, but at the end of the day an 11 year old girl needs to know not to get into a car with a stranger and drive off.
DallasAg 94
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P.H. Dexippus
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I don't know how you stop it without 100% denial of internet access to the kid, including online gaming (I'm not opposed to zero access for an 11yo).
CDUB98
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Looking at getting a tablet for our daughter's 10th birthday. The inability to lock down the software enough concerns me greatly.
Omperlodge
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My 9 year olds are almost locked down to the point that it causes problems but I just don't care. They can't download an app without my approval. Every website and app that connects to our internet is logged.

I am not a huge fan of the FBI, but am willing to turn a blind eye to entrapment if they want to create an entire program that mimics kids online to take down child predators.
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19/2 = 9.5 + 7 = 16.5. His math was WAY off on this one.
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Slyfox07
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CDUB98 said:

Looking at getting a tablet for our daughter's 10th birthday. The inability to lock down the software enough concerns me greatly.
You can lock down their ability to download apps without your approval. Just pay attention to what the apps they're getting actually do.

I'm not going to lie, it is time consuming.

I learned all about "Roblox" last week...and had to get into the parental lockdown controls inside the app itself.
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I can't help but feel the 19 year old's parents have to be complicit as well. He told them she was a girl he met at college. How the hell did they think an 11 year old looked like a girl from college that he should be bringing home?
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Without exaggeration...BY FAR, the #1 thing I've hated about being a parent is regulating technology.

The majority of parents dont care. They give the kid a device, and assume the kid will make good decisions. FAR FAR FAR too many parents out there who are ignorant and/or lazy in this regard.

There are a lot of things in this world you dont want your kid exposed to. There are a bazillion shows/movies you wouldnt let your 12 year old watch. But you hand them a phone with no/little restrictions?

If you give a kid a device, you give the access to everything in the world. Everything. Good, bad, horrible...it's all there just a few clicks away.

My kids think Im too strict, because most their friends get to have this or that app....ok. Fine by me. I'll be the bad guy, because I've watched way too many kids get in trouble because of their device.
P.U.T.U
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My kids have pads and when they are with me they know they don't get them unless we are travelling or they have to poop (I mean I can't blame them for wanting them). When they are with their mom she lets them play on them for a lot longer but at least I can monitor what they are doing.

We have a strict rule, they are only allowed to chat with their friends and cousins. Just like in life if a stranger tries to talk to you than you ignore them.

I also remind them that anytime they are playing on their pads someone is out practicing a sport or reading which will make them smarter than you. The games on the pads may be fun but personal experiences are best of all
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Slyfox07 said:

TravelAg2004 said:

Manhattan said:

I'm not blaming the father… but where was he?
According to the article:

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The 11-year-old girl told her father she was going to a friend's house on Aug. 27. However, when her father contacted her friend, he learned his daughter never made it to their house and the friend didn't know where she was.

At that point, investigators in Illinois believed they were investigating the disappearance of a child. They made emergency requests to find the email address tied to the girl's Snapchat account. Investigators then gained access to her Snapchat, Gmail and Discord accounts, leading them to a transcript between the 11-year-old girl and another user on the chat service.
Sounds like he wasn't completely absent, but it's concerning the amount of digital accounts this girl had.

Why does an 11 yr old need a snapchat and discord account?
Completely agree.

I recently got an ipad for my 10 year old daughter. Spent HOURS locking down access to things I deemed potentially dangerous. I still feel like I missed something.

This world is full of threats, and we can do all we can to insulate our kids, but at the end of the day an 11 year old girl needs to know not to get into a car with a stranger and drive off.

I'm sure you did, but just in case, did you lock down TikTok? That might be the worst one. On top of the obvious spying, China is using it to corrupt and dumb down our youth, while they restrict access to more educational content for their youth.

With the way things are going, I almost want to go off the grid and live like the unabomber, sans the bombings. I HATE modern technology and what it is doing to us.
Agnes Moffitt Rollin 60's - RIP Casper and Lil Ricky - FREE GOOFY AND LUCKY!
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AgGrad99 said:

Without exaggeration...BY FAR, the #1 thing I've hated about being a parent is regulating technology.

The majority of parents dont care. They give the kid a device, and assume the kid will make good decisions. FAR FAR FAR too many parents out there who are ignorant and/or lazy in this regard.

There are a lot of things in this world you dont want your kid exposed to. There are a bazillion shows/movies you wouldnt like your 12 year old watch. But you hand them a phone with no/little restrictions?

If you give a kid a device, you give the access to everything in the world. Everything. Good, bad, horrible...it's all there just a few clicks away.

My kids think Im too strict, because most their friends get to have this or that app....ok. Fine by me. I'll be the bad guy, because I've watched way too many kids get in trouble because of their device.
My girl is just 15mo old, I can't imagine what it will be like when she's 10-11. I am hoping and praying that there is some type of awakening, or movement, where technology get's so invasive and immersive that the majority begins to shun it for a more natural lifestyle. Almost assuredly a pipe dream, I know. Ready Player One is more likely how things will be.
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Just as a side note to all the parents of kids with devices, I would recommend googling 'get around parental lockdown for app X' for all of your lockdowns and previewing the counter-intelligence the kids are searching for.

Thats the first thing the kids do. And if they know you're watching their searches they'll get their buddies to search it on their device that isn't monitored. They're smart and feel boxed in. If they want to search for instagram bikini models they'll find a way. Got to go nip that stuff in the bud.

There are all sorts of websites that act as viewers of vpn tunnels to other websites that are normally blocked. Usually social media based. I've come across a lot of instagram ones to let people scroll without logging in.
Texaggie7nine
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20 or so years ago when I ran some online gaming servers I was constantly shocked at how many young kids got on knowing what type of language and people are on the servers with them, but I understood that parents were just ignorant and had no idea that video games could be a dangerous place for kids.

Today though, you would think parents that grew up around it would know what kind of stuff is out there and how much risk they are taking by allowing their kids unsupervised access to online gaming.
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I think the problem is parents not understanding the risk of threats looking for their kids and only estimate the risk of their kids looking for things they shouldn't. As far as most parents are concerned, their kids are just talking with friends and not going out and looking for predators. They don't understand or appreciate that predators are out looking for their kids.

Take regular people and their approach to cyber security. It's exactly the same. Outside of IT, no one knows about the hundreds or even thousands of hacking attempts each day against medium and even small businesses. They just think, "We're not the government or some big company. Who would come after us?" and go about their day blissfully unaware of the wolves at the door. IT knows, and that's why they insist on locking things down and implementing inconvenient things like password rules and 2FA.

ETA Most people think IT is too strict. They have the same attitude as your kids, but IT knows what's out there and has seen the damage that can be done.
DallasAg 94
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BallerStaf2003
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Is there not a way to restrict internet access for kids on iPhones?

Seriously asking. I know my sister monitors what her kids look at.
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I'm one of those parents that give my kid access to everything. A phone is a tool. Like a knife, a gun, scissors, or anything else. You teach them how to use it and teach them the dangers and sometimes they may hurt themselves.

Many of my kid's friends have parents that sound like you. I don't mean this disparagingly... but most of my kids friends have burner phones. Multiple burner phones. Most of my kid's friend's parents believe they have awareness of what their kids are doing. They don't. Most of my kid's friend's have learned to hide or deceive their parents.

With Life360... kids these days have accepted the idea of Big Brother surveillance and that translate to being ok with the Government taking away the privacy of everyone.

The cat-and-mouse of regulating technology never ends and most parents are two steps behind the kids. I'm in technology and have worked with schools and businesses to regulate access through content filtering, IPS, device monitoring...

You can't pave every road for your child, but you can prepare them for the roads you don't expect them to travel.

I hear what you're saying, but very few kids are mature enough to handle that at a young age. And I realize it's hard, and takes diligence...but my kids are worth the effort. To me, it's like saying, There is a stack of Playboy and Penthouse magazines in the other room, dont ever look at them. Every.Single.Boy will look at them.

But whats out there on the web is way way way more dangerous than a stack of nudie mags. And the most salient point is that our kids dont have to go looking for it...it's thrown in their face continually. The material/influences come looking for them. It's really unbelievable what they come across accidentally/innocently.

I restrict my kids devices, and then I do what you suggest. I teach them. I show them the benefits and the dangers. And when they show their mature enough to handle it, I give them more and more freedom. They earn my trust, and are rewarded. Which is how life works out in the real world.

Same way I taught gun safety, or anything along those lines. I didnt teach my 8 year old how to hunt the first time, by handing them a automatic loaded gun, with the safety off.
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ABATTBQ11 said:

I think the problem is parents not understanding the risk of threats looking for their kids and only estimate the risk of their kids looking for things they shouldn't. As far as most parents are concerned, their kids are just talking with friends and not going out and looking for predators. They don't understand or appreciate that predators are out looking for their kids.

Take regular people and their approach to cyber security. It's exactly the same. Outside of IT, no one knows about the hundreds or even thousands of hacking attempts each day against medium and even small businesses. They just think, "We're not the government or some big company. Who would come after us?" and go about their day blissfully unaware of the wolves at the door. IT knows, and that's why they insist on locking things down and implementing inconvenient things like password rules and 2FA.

ETA Most people think IT is too strict. They have the same attitude as your kids, but IT knows what's out there and has seen the damage that can be done.
I think that is a downfall of parent's like the one in this story. Many parents think their kid is smart enough to not give a predator information ect, so they trust them to go online. It sounds like in this case it probably wasn't a "predator" type situation where some adult is seeking out kids. From the story, it says the girl first asked the 19yo kid if he was interested in dating her.


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During the chat, the two exchanged photos; the girl asked the other user if he wanted to date or "talk more." The other user responded with a map of his location; the girl replied with a map of a park in Georgetown, Illinois.

Thinking the only danger for your kid being online is bad people finding them can be a mistake. Some kids go looking for bad things to get into.
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Texaggie7nine
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11 year olds don't have burner phones.
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DallasAg 94
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If you give your son an unlocked phone in the modern age there's a near certain chance they will be addicted to porn. And your daughter will struggle with social media overexposure.

Just because kids will try to circumvent parenting restrictions doesn't mean you do nothing.

I know you work in technology, but once kids get latched onto something they shouldn't on the internet, its hard to let that go. Give kids training wheels and then hand over the full function and responsibility when they're old enough.

And buy a router that identifies devices like the Unify Dream Machine. Burner phones leave wifi and bluetooth exchanges. Thats still on the parents. And jeez, you see your kids friends parents and don't tell em they've got a burner phone? Thats ice cold.
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BallerStaf2003 said:

Is there not a way to restrict internet access for kids on iPhones?

Seriously asking. I know my sister monitors what her kids look at.
A device with cellular data? Not a chance.

Maybe a device that can only connect to wifi since you can somewhat restrict it at the router, but kids will find a way around it with a simple google search on how to.
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Mr. AGSPRT04 said:

I don't know how you stop it without 100% denial of internet access to the kid, including online gaming (I'm not opposed to zero access for an 11yo).


This is what you have to do. It's actually not difficult to enforce in your own household. In mine, the only devices that are connected to the internet are in my possession, with the exception of smart tvs in the living room and my bedroom.

It's when kids start going to friends houses without you that it really becomes quite a bit of work. Finding families with similar rules about electronics and access takes time. And then setting boundaries (ie your kid can come to my house without her devices, but mine can't go to yours) with friends who have drastically different rules can be awkward.

There are many parents who will not go through all the effort it takes to raise a mostly screen-free kid. Either because they don't want to or they simply don't have the bandwidth for it die to their circumstances (and I do have compassion for parents in tough situations who have to pick their battles). It's very easy to hand a kid a device and think "my kid wouldn't _____" but it does them a huge disservice developmentally, mentally, and emotionally. There is tons of science to support that.

Aaaand I'm having flashbacks to the last time I posted about this, a few years ago, and a beloved GB poster told me that my daughter was going to grow up to hate me and basically was doomed to rebel and become a prostitute because I wouldn't trust her with unfettered internet access. Good times.
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I'm talking 6 year olds and such. Playing Counter Strike.
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