Guy on radio said many are fighting corporations who have called them back to office, who say they are stressed about coming back in……
Yet kids in Ulvade go back to school.

Lol. No mental toughness.

A lot of people are two-timing their employers by having 2 full time work-from-home jobs. They work 20 hours for each and pretend they are working 40. They are using every excuse in the book to not have to come in and ruin that money train of fraud.

Lol. That's an accurate comparison if most kids are more productive and learn better at home. Me doing a thing I'm already good at is nowhere close to the same thing.

Drop your vaccine mandate if you are dropping work from home. If pandemic pandemonium is over, no need for either.

The problem is people think they are doing a good job at home, even though there is very little evidence that they are. CEOs want more production, workers want to do the bare minimum, it's human nature. And now they want to do the bare minimum in their pajamas with no supervision, from the CEOs perspective "what could go wrong"

The free market will figure it out.

If people truly are more productive at home then some employers will encourage it. Those people will find those employers.

If they are not more productive at home, then the results will bear that out as well.

Regardless: people should work where the people that sign their check direct them too, or go elsewhere.

Said it months ago

Recession is coming (it's here now) and job cuts will follow. If you're one of those folks who has been actively fighting your company's mandate to return to the office then your name is on a list and you'll be the first to be let go

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Said it months ago

Recession is coming (it's here now) and job cuts will follow. If you're one of those folks who has been actively fighting your company's mandate to return to the office then your name is on a list and you'll be the first to be let go

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As it should be. Don't know where people think they can tell boss what to do.

aTmAg said:

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A lot of people are two-timing their employers by having 2 full time work-from-home jobs. They work 20 hours for each and pretend they are working 40. They are using every excuse in the book to not have to come in and ruin that money train of fraud.

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What is your source for this statement?

Maybe there really is enough jobs for people who demand to work remote. Once this recession comes home to roost, I'm curious how many people will decide to only take remote work jobs or if they'll come back to work at the first opportunity after they are laid off.

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A lot of people are two-timing their employers by having 2 full time work-from-home jobs. They work 20 hours for each and pretend they are working 40. They are using every excuse in the book to not have to come in and ruin that money train of fraud.

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What is your source for this statement?

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Wall Street Journal

It's one reason why unemployment and the labor participation rates both went down.

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Said it months ago

Recession is coming (it's here now) and job cuts will follow. If you're one of those folks who has been actively fighting your company's mandate to return to the office then your name is on a list and you'll be the first to be let go

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People with vaccine accommodations may also be on that list.

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A lot of people are two-timing their employers by having 2 full time work-from-home jobs. They work 20 hours for each and pretend they are working 40. They are using every excuse in the book to not have to come in and ruin that money train of fraud.

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What is your source for this statement?

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Wall Street Journal

It's one reason why unemployment and the labor participation rates both went down.

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Ok, fine. I was just trying reconcile "small, dedicated group" and "a lot"

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A small, dedicated group of white-collar workers, in industries from tech to banking to insurance, say they have found a way to double their pay: Work two full-time remote jobs, don't tell anyone and, for the most part, don't do too much work, either.

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Good for them. If the employer can't tell that they are getting half time performance for full time pay, that's on them.

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Good for them. If the employer can't tell that they are getting half time performance for full time pay, that's on them.

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The whole reason employers are trying to get people back into the office is because they can tell.

aTmAg said:

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A lot of people are two-timing their employers by having 2 full time work-from-home jobs. They work 20 hours for each and pretend they are working 40. They are using every excuse in the book to not have to come in and ruin that money train of fraud.

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Why is this a problem? Do corporations own a worker? Are they being paid for 40 hours a week or are they being paid to achieve their goals and objectives? People REeeEEeeeing that employees are finally getting one up on corporations is kinda sad.

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A lot of people are two-timing their employers by having 2 full time work-from-home jobs. They work 20 hours for each and pretend they are working 40. They are using every excuse in the book to not have to come in and ruin that money train of fraud.

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How is it fraud if they are capable of doing all of their work in 20 hours a week? Hell I can usually do most of my job in 10 hours or so because I am very efficient. Why is this fraud if they don't miss deadlines and always meet the requirements of their job?

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A lot of people are two-timing their employers by having 2 full time work-from-home jobs. They work 20 hours for each and pretend they are working 40. They are using every excuse in the book to not have to come in and ruin that money train of fraud.

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What is your source for this statement?

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Wall Street Journal

It's one reason why unemployment and the labor participation rates both went down.

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Ok, fine. I was just trying reconcile "small, dedicated group" and "a lot"

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A small, dedicated group of white-collar workers, in industries from tech to banking to insurance, say they have found a way to double their pay: Work two full-time remote jobs, don't tell anyone and, for the most part, don't do too much work, either.

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I'd be more interested in the number of workers working from home while also having 2 or 3 toddlers running around. I bet that's more of a drain on a corporation then someone working 2 jobs at the same time. No one will convince me you can be a good worker with kids at home with no other supervision.

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aTmAg said:

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A lot of people are two-timing their employers by having 2 full time work-from-home jobs. They work 20 hours for each and pretend they are working 40. They are using every excuse in the book to not have to come in and ruin that money train of fraud.

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How is it fraud if they are capable of doing all of their work in 20 hours a week? Hell I can usually do most of my job in 10 hours or so because I am very efficient. Why is this fraud if they don't miss deadlines and always meet the requirements of their job?

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The dude was probably the kid in class who reminded the teacher to have everyone turn in yesterday's homework.

I've never really seen salaried workers just given specific tasks to complete, but it's always been expected to seek out additional tasks as you complete others. There is always stuff to be done.

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I've never really seen salaried workers just given specific tasks to complete, but it's always been expected to seek out additional tasks as you complete others. There is always stuff to be done.

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I've always been paid to achieve goals and objectives. If the employer gives someone good performance reviews for achieving said goals and objectives then why does it matter if they get it done in 20 hours and not 40?

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A lot of people are two-timing their employers by having 2 full time work-from-home jobs. They work 20 hours for each and pretend they are working 40. They are using every excuse in the book to not have to come in and ruin that money train of fraud.

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What is your source for this statement?

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Wall Street Journal

It's one reason why unemployment and the labor participation rates both went down.

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Ok, fine. I was just trying reconcile "small, dedicated group" and "a lot"

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A small, dedicated group of white-collar workers, in industries from tech to banking to insurance, say they have found a way to double their pay: Work two full-time remote jobs, don't tell anyone and, for the most part, don't do too much work, either.

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I'd be more interested in the number of workers working from home while also having 2 or 3 toddlers running around. I bet that's more of a drain on a corporation then someone working 2 jobs at the same time. No one will convince me you can be a good worker with kids at home with no other supervision.

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My kids weren't toddlers in the summer of 2020, but when virtual school ended, it became difficult for me to WFH. When they were in school everyone in the house had a routine, and we all worked in our spots at the same time. We weren't distracting each other . When school ended, my kids no longer has that so they wandered around the house and became a distraction for me and my wife. I was back in my office by July not because my employer called me back but because I felt it was the best way for me to be productive.

That just means they didn't set goals appropriately. There are always more tasks to be completed.

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That just means they didn't set goals appropriately. There are always more tasks to be completed.

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And that's the employee's problem? After years of solid performance reviews this hypothetical employee gets for getting things done in 10-20 hours a week I'd say its reasonable for them to add a second job if they want.

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A lot of people are two-timing their employers by having 2 full time work-from-home jobs. They work 20 hours for each and pretend they are working 40. They are using every excuse in the book to not have to come in and ruin that money train of fraud.

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Why is this a problem? Do corporations own a worker? Are they being paid for 40 hours a week or are they being paid to achieve their goals and objectives? People REeeEEeeeing that employees are finally getting one up on corporations is kinda sad.

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F corporations. I don't feel bad if a single one gets scammed. A bunch of woke organizations contributing directly to our destruction. (Aside from very few one-offs).

I will never root for any organization that pimps ESG and other uber woke/diversity nonsense.

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A lot of people are two-timing their employers by having 2 full time work-from-home jobs. They work 20 hours for each and pretend they are working 40. They are using every excuse in the book to not have to come in and ruin that money train of fraud.

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What is your source for this statement?

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Wall Street Journal

It's one reason why unemployment and the labor participation rates both went down.

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Ok, fine. I was just trying reconcile "small, dedicated group" and "a lot"

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A small, dedicated group of white-collar workers, in industries from tech to banking to insurance, say they have found a way to double their pay: Work two full-time remote jobs, don't tell anyone and, for the most part, don't do too much work, either.

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My ex-wife said to me just the other day that close to 30% of the new, work-from-home hires at her Fortune 500 company are suspected of "double dipping" (& a few are even trying to juggle 3 simultaneous jobs); "alot" and "a small dedicated group" are subjective measures with different meanings to different people, but 30% of just one company out of thousands tells me the problem MIGHT be greater than we are led to believe, and if 30% is found to be a national average, I submit that's a ****load of folks!

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A lot of people are two-timing their employers by having 2 full time work-from-home jobs. They work 20 hours for each and pretend they are working 40. They are using every excuse in the book to not have to come in and ruin that money train of fraud.

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What is your source for this statement?

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Wall Street Journal

It's one reason why unemployment and the labor participation rates both went down.

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Ok, fine. I was just trying reconcile "small, dedicated group" and "a lot"

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A small, dedicated group of white-collar workers, in industries from tech to banking to insurance, say they have found a way to double their pay: Work two full-time remote jobs, don't tell anyone and, for the most part, don't do too much work, either.

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My ex-wife said to me just the other day that close to 30% of the new, work-from-home hires at her Fortune 500 company are suspected of "double dipping" (& a few are even trying to juggle 3 simultaneous jobs); "alot" and "a small dedicated group" are subjective measures with different meanings to different people, but 30% of just one company out of thousands tells me the problem MIGHT be greater than we are led to believe, and if 30% is found to be a national average, I submit that's a ****load of folks!

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I say good...people just trying to make it in an increasingly expensive crap economy. One that these corporations directly contribute to by always supporting the left no matter what. These companies will cut them in a heartbeat for any given reason and don't care one single bit about the workers or their children who need to eat, go to daycare etc.

Work from home argument seems like a guy telling his wife that if they have an open marriage, it will improve their relationship.

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A lot of people are two-timing their employers by having 2 full time work-from-home jobs. They work 20 hours for each and pretend they are working 40. They are using every excuse in the book to not have to come in and ruin that money train of fraud.

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Why is this a problem? Do corporations own a worker? Are they being paid for 40 hours a week or are they being paid to achieve their goals and objectives? People REeeEEeeeing that employees are finally getting one up on corporations is kinda sad.

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F corporations. I don't feel bad if a single one gets scammed. A bunch of woke organizations contributing directly to our destruction. (Aside from very few one-offs).

I will never root for any organization that pimps ESG and other uber woke/diversity nonsense.

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Indeed, Corporations get free cash from Blackrock / vanguard for pushing woke bull**** but if an employee adds a second job because they are able to do their work in 10 hours a week its somehow a massive issue for some of the boomers around here.

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I've never really seen salaried workers just given specific tasks to complete, but it's always been expected to seek out additional tasks as you complete others. There is always stuff to be done.

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I've always been paid to achieve goals and objectives. If the employer gives someone good performance reviews for achieving said goals and objectives then why does it matter if they get it done in 20 hours and not 40?

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Probably because I'm paying you for 40 hours, not 20. If you're able to get all of your stuff done in half the time, then switch to part time.

Wife's company (major int'l corp) will be dropping a LOT of sales people in the next 3 months. They restructure a bit every year, but this year will find upwards of 20% people cut (at least in her division where most are work-from-home). Much of it is getting rid of dead weight, people who struggle with WFH (but may not know it). One common thread to those who underperform, as one previous poster said, is that almost all have toddlers running around. Tough situation to be in.

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I've never really seen salaried workers just given specific tasks to complete, but it's always been expected to seek out additional tasks as you complete others. There is always stuff to be done.

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I've always been paid to achieve goals and objectives. If the employer gives someone good performance reviews for achieving said goals and objectives then why does it matter if they get it done in 20 hours and not 40?

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Probably because I'm paying you for 40 hours, not 20. If you're able to get all of your stuff done in half the time, then switch to part time.

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Not my problem.

I can tell you some of the resistance is just that it is a pay cut and time management difficulty to resume the commute to the office and back.

People had been able to offset cost savings against inflation, but having yo pay gas and tolls or fares again every day and losing hours of personal time to tedious travel, while having to potentially adjust family schedules considerably is going to be considered a major drawback.

I'm sure many people considered work from home in lieu of seeking out pay increases to offset personal expenses a fair trade, but if that is revoked, a lot of people will start seeking out jobs where they can still do that, or will start seeking out more compensation for their time against inflation.

Employers aren't going to like that they can't just turn off the WFH switch in a low unemployment rate environment without consequences.