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Republican states need to take a page out of the dem playbook and legislate this out of existence without outright banning it. How do we do this? Make it so that only Urologists can provide such treatment. Urologists are the content experts on hrt, so based on evidence-based medicine they objectively provide the best treatment. Now how does this legislate it out of existence? Urologists by and large are extremely conservative and would not take on a case like op posted.

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Urologists? Incorrect.

Those are docs for your junk and prostate. Have a great day.

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Lol they do much more than that. Ever heard of testosterone?

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Yes, but endocrinologists are specialized in the area you think urologists are. Lots of docs can and do prescribe HRT, glad you get yours from your conservative urologist.

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Endocrinologists refer patients to urology for testosterone therapy. Urology has a whole field dedicated to sexual hormone replacement, not to mention they are also the surgeons dedicated to that field as well (gender reassignment), so yes they are the experts. Sorry you don't like it because they are conservative. Endo deals primarily with diabetes now and adrenal insufficiencies.

source- 4th year med student

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Congrats 4th year Med student. You also know that medicine is woefully behind in this area so while urologists can and do treat this (never said they didn't), it's created a massive industry where they're prescribed by PCP's with insufficient training (eg biote) and HRT clinics for those who don't have a doctor willing to do so.

Anyways…can't wait to see more legislation from GOP restricting peoples rights for bodily autonomy and ability to receive treatments advised by doctors. Seems to be working out so well for them on the abortion issue.

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You do realize 4th year of med school is just applying to residency, doing bs electives, and waiting for graduation? I think it's safe to say I have a solid grasp on medicine, much more than your opinions

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Pediatrician promotes puberty blockers to kids on tiktok claiming they just “pause” puberty so you have more time to “explore your gender identity” pic.twitter.com/6CfUtqNljD

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) September 6, 2022

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Satan looks much more benign than most of us have imagined.

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Republican states need to take a page out of the dem playbook and legislate this out of existence without outright banning it. How do we do this? Make it so that only Urologists can provide such treatment. Urologists are the content experts on hrt, so based on evidence-based medicine they objectively provide the best treatment. Now how does this legislate it out of existence? Urologists by and large are extremely conservative and would not take on a case like op posted.

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Urologists? Incorrect.

Those are docs for your junk and prostate. Have a great day.

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Lol they do much more than that. Ever heard of testosterone?

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Yes, but endocrinologists are specialized in the area you think urologists are. Lots of docs can and do prescribe HRT, glad you get yours from your conservative urologist.

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Endocrinologists refer patients to urology for testosterone therapy. Urology has a whole field dedicated to sexual hormone replacement, not to mention they are also the surgeons dedicated to that field as well (gender reassignment), so yes they are the experts. Sorry you don't like it because they are conservative. Endo deals primarily with diabetes now and adrenal insufficiencies.

source- 4th year med student

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Congrats 4th year Med student. You also know that medicine is woefully behind in this area so while urologists can and do treat this (never said they didn't), it's created a massive industry where they're prescribed by PCP's with insufficient training (eg biote) and HRT clinics for those who don't have a doctor willing to do so.

Anyways…can't wait to see more legislation from GOP restricting peoples rights for bodily autonomy and ability to receive treatments advised by doctors. Seems to be working out so well for them on the abortion issue.

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You do realize 4th year of med school is just applying to residency, doing bs electives, and waiting for graduation? I think it's safe to say I have a solid grasp on medicine, much more than your opinions

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Great. Are you looking for me to say I agree with you? I won't on your legislative point that's for sure and I don't think doctors should comment on HRT as a whole since it's being so abysmally addressed by the profession. Why on earth do the couple people I know in TRT having to go through a telemedicine clinic for example when it's obvious they have a need based on their symptoms, test results, etc. Just don't think your POV on treatment availability and who's performing it reflects reality.

Congrats on med school, it's a big accomplishment.

Thanks for your post. It gives me encouragement.

At the same time, I'm blown away by the amount of doctors or medical professionals that have seemingly lost the ability to reason. You seem to be balanced and reasoned.

Why are so many others losing it?

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Don't want to consider the perspective of a medical student? Fair enough. I'm board certified in Pediatrics and have over 20 years experience. I doubt you will consider my prospective as well because it falls outside your selection bias. But here it is anyway, ...This therapy for children is nothing short of child abuse.

Thalidomide was a great drug for nausea and vomiting in pregnant women in the 70s. It was only after several years and tens of thousands of birth defects did it become obvious the treatment was worse then the symptom. The treatment of prepubescent children with hormone therapy and surgery will rank higher up that "oops chart" for heralded treatments that made things worse. I will not have that on my conscience.

To be clear, gender dysphoria is a very real condition and those patients deserve sympathy and support. An adult wanting to transition should have the right to the medical procedure. But consider this, would you consider it appropriate for a 10 year to get a tattoo of Paw Patrol knowing full well they are likely to not be interested in Paw Patrol in a few years? Most children with gender dysphoria will have those symptoms resolve by the end of adolescence. If your an adult and still want a Paw Patrol tattoo, more power to you. However, for a parent to allow or encourage tattooing up their child is wrong, no matter how bad the child thinks they need it. Clearly having ink in your skin isn't equal to altering your internal hormones. I suspect most on the left would agree that allowing a child to get the tattoo is wrong. Yet, in people's rabid pursuit of social virtue signaling, the idea of sterilizing a child is viewed as courageous, honorable, and necessary.

Prior to the last couple of years, I have had 2 patients that presented before 7-8 years old, both males... which is by far the most common presentation. What I am seeing now is a massive increase (4 in the past 18 months) in teenage females with gender dysphoria symptoms. I say symptoms because I'm convinced that a majority of these are not have gender dysphoria but rather "Folie deux" where social media has amplified a medical condition. If any of those young girls end up getting encouraged to sterilize themselves and later regret it, I will happily take the stand to denounce any and all involved in that process as guilty of malice and malpractice.

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Two thoughts:
1) Gay people and trans people have been aligned for some time because they have common enemies. That's the bottom line on that complicated relationship. Until recently with all the propaganda re: grooming, gay people were largely left alone as we've become a large voting block. Instead republicans have been chasing trans issues as they are a smaller and more complicated group - as you said there's a lot more consensus about trans people within the party.
2) I know the new narrative with big thinkers, like country music spouses, is that people are receiving gender related therapy/procedures/drugs because they're going through a tomboy phase or are a little more feminine. I'm sorry, I just don't see that happening. Are there maybe some bad actors pushing that narrative? Sure, there are all kinds of ****ty parents (drug addicts, people who disown their gay kids, abusers, etc). They sit amongst you at work, in the pews, etc. I just don't get the fire and brimstone from republicans on trans issues, it's such a small group and states focusing on it have much bigger issues. For example, MS found time to pass trans related bills in 2021, but their infrastructure is so bad they don't have water in their capital (among other things like education, infant mortality, food insecurity, etc).

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So you don't think there is much of it going on and if it is going on it isn't a big deal. Got it.

I have kids in school and even in conservative areas the push for the trans agenda has been hard and fast. One of my son's classmates decided she was a "they" last year and maybe a "he" and started on puberty blockers at 13. That's just messed up because it is irreversible and it is being sold as this safe and easy process.

It used to be if you wanted to transition you needed years of therapy and a litany of steps along that journey. Certainly it wasn't even considered for someone under 18 and rarely under 21. Now there are kids gettin prescriptions for hormone blockers after 1 or 2 appointments. You also have teachers and therapists pushing the narrative that it is totally normal and almost making it seem like the cool thing to do, especially for kids that are going through and awkward phase (who the hell doesn't during puberty?) You can close your eyes and ears and just think about someone you know who is older and went through a different process but that's irrelevant. The reality is now it is VERY prominent and getting more and moreso.

BTW, I completely agree what the completely Democratic run city of Jackson has done for 40 years to let their infrastructure become a disaster is a disgrace. It boggles my mind why people continue to elect Democrats no matter how incompetent and corrupt they are. The State government doesn't run local infrastructure as much as you want to change the subject.

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Two thoughts:
1) Gay people and trans people have been aligned for some time because they have common enemies. That's the bottom line on that complicated relationship. Until recently with all the propaganda re: grooming, gay people were largely left alone as we've become a large voting block. Instead republicans have been chasing trans issues as they are a smaller and more complicated group - as you said there's a lot more consensus about trans people within the party.
2) I know the new narrative with big thinkers, like country music spouses, is that people are receiving gender related therapy/procedures/drugs because they're going through a tomboy phase or are a little more feminine. I'm sorry, I just don't see that happening. Are there maybe some bad actors pushing that narrative? Sure, there are all kinds of ****ty parents (drug addicts, people who disown their gay kids, abusers, etc). They sit amongst you at work, in the pews, etc. I just don't get the fire and brimstone from republicans on trans issues, it's such a small group and states focusing on it have much bigger issues. For example, MS found time to pass trans related bills in 2021, but their infrastructure is so bad they don't have water in their capital (among other things like education, infant mortality, food insecurity, etc).

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So you don't think there is much of it going on and if it is going on it isn't a big deal. Got it.

I have kids in school and even in conservative areas the push for the trans agenda has been hard and fast. One of my son's classmates decided she was a "they" last year and maybe a "he" and started on puberty blockers at 13. That's just messed up because it is irreversible and it is being sold as this safe and easy process.

It used to be if you wanted to transition you needed years of therapy and a litany of steps along that journey. Certainly it wasn't even considered for someone under 18 and rarely under 21. Now there are kids gettin prescriptions for hormone blockers after 1 or 2 appointments. You also have teachers and therapists pushing the narrative that it is totally normal and almost making it seem like the cool thing to do, especially for kids that are going through and awkward phase (who the hell doesn't during puberty?) You can close your eyes and ears and just think about someone you know who is older and went through a different process but that's irrelevant. The reality is now it is VERY prominent and getting more and moreso.

BTW, I completely agree what the completely Democratic run city of Jackson has done for 40 years to let their infrastructure become a disaster is a disgrace. It boggles my mind why people continue to elect Democrats no matter how incompetent and corrupt they are. The State government doesn't run local infrastructure as much as you want to change the subject.

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1) I said there are bigger problems that impact far more kids than the very very small amount who are being prescribed puberty blockers and/or hormones incorrectly or too aggressively. I addressed also above that I think the medical community should be policing it, not pandering Republican legislators parading their new anti-lgbt legislation of the week.
2) I doubt people are going on puberty blockers after one or two appointment at their local pediatrician. Again, see comment above.
3) Teachers/therapists should be cautious to encourage, but not ostracizing a kid because they are different is a good thing. It's 2022 and there's countless threads here still saying the gay posters on here "chose" this, they're deviants/groomers, and even less savory language that's typically moderated (eg wishing HIV/AIDS on gay people). It's not the worst thing in the world for an LGBT kid to hear they aren't a freak. Suicide rates are high for a million reasons for teenagers in this population, but ones with at least one supportive adult do better. For a lot of kids, maybe the ones with fire and brimstone parents, they aren't getting that at home.
4) Congrats, you really nailed me on the Jackson issue. Outside of Jackson, Mississippi is a model state lol. No, of course not. It's a disaster.

The groomers are so deathly afraid that if these kids grow up they will "forget" about their indoctrination, and pursue MUCH better things.

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Two thoughts:
1) Gay people and trans people have been aligned for some time because they have common enemies. That's the bottom line on that complicated relationship. Until recently with all the propaganda re: grooming, gay people were largely left alone as we've become a large voting block. Instead republicans have been chasing trans issues as they are a smaller and more complicated group - as you said there's a lot more consensus about trans people within the party.
2) I know the new narrative with big thinkers, like country music spouses, is that people are receiving gender related therapy/procedures/drugs because they're going through a tomboy phase or are a little more feminine. I'm sorry, I just don't see that happening. Are there maybe some bad actors pushing that narrative? Sure, there are all kinds of ****ty parents (drug addicts, people who disown their gay kids, abusers, etc). They sit amongst you at work, in the pews, etc. I just don't get the fire and brimstone from republicans on trans issues, it's such a small group and states focusing on it have much bigger issues. For example, MS found time to pass trans related bills in 2021, but their infrastructure is so bad they don't have water in their capital (among other things like education, infant mortality, food insecurity, etc).

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So you don't think there is much of it going on and if it is going on it isn't a big deal. Got it.

I have kids in school and even in conservative areas the push for the trans agenda has been hard and fast. One of my son's classmates decided she was a "they" last year and maybe a "he" and started on puberty blockers at 13. That's just messed up because it is irreversible and it is being sold as this safe and easy process.

It used to be if you wanted to transition you needed years of therapy and a litany of steps along that journey. Certainly it wasn't even considered for someone under 18 and rarely under 21. Now there are kids gettin prescriptions for hormone blockers after 1 or 2 appointments. You also have teachers and therapists pushing the narrative that it is totally normal and almost making it seem like the cool thing to do, especially for kids that are going through and awkward phase (who the hell doesn't during puberty?) You can close your eyes and ears and just think about someone you know who is older and went through a different process but that's irrelevant. The reality is now it is VERY prominent and getting more and moreso.

BTW, I completely agree what the completely Democratic run city of Jackson has done for 40 years to let their infrastructure become a disaster is a disgrace. It boggles my mind why people continue to elect Democrats no matter how incompetent and corrupt they are. The State government doesn't run local infrastructure as much as you want to change the subject.

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1) I said there are bigger problems that impact far more kids than the very very small amount who are being prescribed puberty blockers and/or hormones incorrectly or too aggressively. I addressed also above that I think the medical community should be policing it, not pandering Republican legislators parading their new anti-lgbt legislation of the week.
2) I doubt people are going on puberty blockers after one or two appointment at their local pediatrician. Again, see comment above.
3) Teachers/therapists should be cautious to encourage, but not ostracizing a kid because they are different is a good thing. It's 2022 and there's countless threads here still saying the gay posters on here "chose" this, they're deviants/groomers, and even less savory language that's typically moderated (eg wishing HIV/AIDS on gay people). It's not the worst thing in the world for an LGBT kid to hear they aren't a freak. Suicide rates are high for a million reasons for teenagers in this population, but ones with at least one supportive adult do better. For a lot of kids, maybe the ones with fire and brimstone parents, they aren't getting that at home.
4) Congrats, you really nailed me on the Jackson issue. Outside of Jackson, Mississippi is a model state lol. No, of course not. It's a disaster.

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Watch "What is a Woman" and get back with me on how it's not happening. Or simply get your head out of the sand. Hell my son just had to sit through a pronouns lecture at A&M during orientation. Drag Shows for kids is a very real thing. Puberty blockers being prescribed for more and more kids with less and less concern for the consequences. The reactions aren't coming from GOP politicians trying to rile people up, they are from parents who are getting pissed at what is being pushed on their children.

If you think that the folks who are looking to transition and are going through these issues are all coming from "fire and brimstone" parents you really aren't paying attention They are coming from liberal families that can't wait to brag to their friends about their "brave" kid with purple hair who just invented new pronouns for themselves this week.

I'm completely opposed to bullying and namecalling of kids in school. There is no place for that. There is a huge difference between tolerance and acceptance though. The football jock shouldn't be beating up the gay kid or calling them names but the Christian kid shouldn't have to celebrate Pride Month either. School should be as neutral as possible and teaching kids to be tolerant not become indoctrination centers for Left or Right. That's why so many are going Home School or Private in droves.

No doubt Mississippi is a mess of a state and has always been poor. Still the issue in Jackson is a local one and not a state one just as the water supply in Austin is controlled by the City and not the State.

Oh, and maybe you should look at California which is on fire every year since they don't clear out the forests or invest in infrastructure and currently is about to have blackouts while they are banning electric cars. The richest state in the nation and they have been on a mission of self destruction ever since they went to full Democrat control and people can't leave fast enough.

Missed so many of my points I don't even know where to start. You're all over the place.

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Missed so many of my points I don't even know where to start. You're all over the place.

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The main point is you just don't think that this is a problem when it absolutely is and you are closing your eyes to the evidence surrounding you (including in my OP).

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Two thoughts:
1) Gay people and trans people have been aligned for some time because they have common enemies. That's the bottom line on that complicated relationship. Until recently with all the propaganda re: grooming, gay people were largely left alone as we've become a large voting block. Instead republicans have been chasing trans issues as they are a smaller and more complicated group - as you said there's a lot more consensus about trans people within the party.
2) I know the new narrative with big thinkers, like country music spouses, is that people are receiving gender related therapy/procedures/drugs because they're going through a tomboy phase or are a little more feminine. I'm sorry, I just don't see that happening. Are there maybe some bad actors pushing that narrative? Sure, there are all kinds of ****ty parents (drug addicts, people who disown their gay kids, abusers, etc). They sit amongst you at work, in the pews, etc. I just don't get the fire and brimstone from republicans on trans issues, it's such a small group and states focusing on it have much bigger issues. For example, MS found time to pass trans related bills in 2021, but their infrastructure is so bad they don't have water in their capital (among other things like education, infant mortality, food insecurity, etc).

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I think you are naive. A lot of big money to be made to affirm rather than counsel these patients

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Sorry, I just don't see it and if there is then doctors should police their own profession. I am not in favor of legislation on medical treatment.

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Should doctors be able to give liposuction and bellybands to children with eating disorders?

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Two thoughts:
1) Gay people and trans people have been aligned for some time because they have common enemies. That's the bottom line on that complicated relationship. Until recently with all the propaganda re: grooming, gay people were largely left alone as we've become a large voting block. Instead republicans have been chasing trans issues as they are a smaller and more complicated group - as you said there's a lot more consensus about trans people within the party.
2) I know the new narrative with big thinkers, like country music spouses, is that people are receiving gender related therapy/procedures/drugs because they're going through a tomboy phase or are a little more feminine. I'm sorry, I just don't see that happening. Are there maybe some bad actors pushing that narrative? Sure, there are all kinds of ****ty parents (drug addicts, people who disown their gay kids, abusers, etc). They sit amongst you at work, in the pews, etc. I just don't get the fire and brimstone from republicans on trans issues, it's such a small group and states focusing on it have much bigger issues. For example, MS found time to pass trans related bills in 2021, but their infrastructure is so bad they don't have water in their capital (among other things like education, infant mortality, food insecurity, etc).

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I think you are naive. A lot of big money to be made to affirm rather than counsel these patients

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Sorry, I just don't see it and if there is then doctors should police their own profession. I am not in favor of legislation on medical treatment.

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Should doctors be able to give liposuction and bellybands to children with eating disorders?

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Is that the standard of care for an eating disorder? No.

There is actually increasing evidence that bariatric surgery such as gastric bands is very effective in patients (teenagers and up) with morbid obesity. There's are statistically significant improvements in metabolism, blood pressure, and mood.

Unfortunately, I have not seen any study showing a significant improvement in outcomes in children that have puberty blocked or transition. Studies that I have seen are often funded by the pharmaceutical companies providing the meds or medical centers doing the procedures making it difficult to assess their validity.

Making matters worse, are the significant numbers of teens reporting dysphoria that are more likely suffering from social contagion. If those numbers are added to the pool that transition, the results are going to look abysmal. I'd like to say that is a good thing but I would rather know the truth.

The current truth is that we have limited options that are successful in helping these patients. The political influences that have seeped into schools, churches, and media have also corrupted medicine. And we will all suffer for it.

1. This lady is a deranged lunatic and should not be allowed anywhere near children. She is so gleeful just talking about putting kids through the early stages of sex changes. It's disgusting.

2. Being trans is literally a mental illness. You are born either a boy or a girl. If you are born a boy and think that you're actually supposed to be a girl, that is no different than being born a human and thinking that you're actually supposed to be a squirrel. It defies logic and science. I thought leftists believed in science?

3. The people pushing this stuff (like the woman in this video) are pure evil. The question is - why is this stuff being pushed on kids? In my opinion, it is just another small step in destroying the nuclear family.

Anyone in the medical community who thinks that this is good and normal and acceptable should QUIT practicing now.

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I'm sorry, I just don't see that happening. Are there maybe some bad actors pushing that narrative?

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It is happening and Abigail Shrier's book provides extensive evidence that gender dysphoria among adolescent girls is a social contagion spread through social media and Hollywood. It's the same phenomenon that caused the young girls of Salem to writhe and shriek and testify against the witches casting spells on them. The epidemic of gender dysphoria doesn't exist in societies that are not connected to the Internet feeds from North America and Europe.



Yes Virginia, there are groomers at the American Pediatric Association recommending puberty blockers (followed by surgery) to treat your adolescent angst.

As for your example of the Mississippi, the state is protecting children rom he same type of perverse parental behavior that leads these same perverts to promote the prepubescent sexualization of children by taking them to drag shows. That's exactly what state government should be doing. The lack of safe drinking water in the MS capital isn't a symptom of Republican majority in the state. It's yet another one-party Democrat city that has been run into the ground by Democrat elected officials pushing Democrat policies on a Democrat voters that voted Democrat and therefore had the city's tax revenues spent on Democrat projects rather than repairing the sewage treatment plant.

https://dailycaller.com/2022/08/31/jackson-mississippi-chokwe-lumumba-water/

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Great. I didn't say medical doctors shouldn't have discretion in their care, quite the opposite.

Your med school friend is proposing legislation restricting doctors ability to perform their jobs. Are you good with that as a concept?

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"Doctors"

Sorry, doesn't carry the same weight it used to. Now there are a large group of "doctors" who will say and do anything just to go along with the party. Doesn't matter if it causes harm. Just look at how they openly ridiculed ivermectin.

So if you are asking if I support legislation preventing "doctors" from child abuse? Hell yes! Leave the kids alone!

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Great. I didn't say medical doctors shouldn't have discretion in their care, quite the opposite.

Your med school friend is proposing legislation restricting doctors ability to perform their jobs. Are you good with that as a concept?

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"Doctors"

Sorry, doesn't carry the same weight it used to. Now there are a large group of "doctors" who will say and do anything just to go along with the party. Doesn't matter if it causes harm. Just look at how they openly ridiculed ivermectin.

So if you are asking if I support legislation preventing "doctors" from child abuse? Hell yes! Leave the kids alone!

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Makes me laugh a bit that doctors are like lawyers now for a group of people that "do their research" on the twitter where they got their WebMD - they don't like doctors until they need one.

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Great. I didn't say medical doctors shouldn't have discretion in their care, quite the opposite.

Your med school friend is proposing legislation restricting doctors ability to perform their jobs. Are you good with that as a concept?

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"Doctors"

Sorry, doesn't carry the same weight it used to. Now there are a large group of "doctors" who will say and do anything just to go along with the party. Doesn't matter if it causes harm. Just look at how they openly ridiculed ivermectin.

So if you are asking if I support legislation preventing "doctors" from child abuse? Hell yes! Leave the kids alone!

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Makes me laugh a bit that doctors are like lawyers now for a group of people that "do their research" on the twitter where they got their WebMD - they don't like doctors until they need one.

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What concerns me is that there are still people, even with all the evidence, who laugh and say "really, it's no big deal, it's not all that common yet, focus on other things" in the face of child abuse.

I'm glad to see there is a growing number of people who will stand up and say, protecting children from child abuse is worth the focus

Ok. I guess you're missing the point, but in states that have taken up this issue you HONESTLY believe it's the biggest issue the children of that state face?

I don't, I think it's political theater and pandering for social conservative and evangelical votes.

Meanwhile these red states rank at the very bottom for countless child metrics (education, health, etc). I don't think their poor rankings are because of trans people.

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Ok. I guess you're missing the point, but in states that have taken up this issue you HONESTLY believe it's the biggest issue the children of that state face?

I don't, I think it's political theater and pandering for social conservative and evangelical votes.

Meanwhile these red states rank at the very bottom for countless child metrics (education, health, etc). I don't think their poor rankings are because of trans people.

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For those children that transition with the help of physicians and then decide later itwas a mistake, it's the most important issue in their lives for the rest of their (statistically speaking) short and unhappy unhappy lives.

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Despite the differences in country, culture, decade, and follow-up length and method, all the studies have come to a remarkably similar conclusion: Only very few trans- kids still want to transition by the time they are adults. Instead, they generally turn out to be regular gay or lesbian folks. The exact number varies by study, but roughly 6090% of trans- kids turn out no longer to be trans by adulthood.

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http://www.sexologytoday.org/2016/01/do-trans-kids-stay-trans-when-they-grow_99.html?m=1

Those who advocate and encourage children to seek medical treatment for gender reassignment based on claims that it will prevent or reduce the likelihood of depression andor suicide do not have data to support their positions. The suicide rate for those transsexuals that have surgery and puberty blockers is still as high as amoamong the population that did not. These chemical and surgical procedures only add serious life shortening medical problems to the psychological issues they struggle with.



The people who are mutilated and the ignored by the medical establishment and pro-trans activists nended the type of protections that these states are passing intolaw. Protecting children from predatory adults isvery important and that includes predators with a profit motive that write prescriptions and wield scalpels

Great. I'll let the hungry, homeless, and uneducated kids know their legislators didn't get to help them because they were too busy helping the fractional sized group of trans kids who were privileged enough to live in homes that their parents could see in out medical treatment from doctors under the standard of care for their situation.

I don't agree with your characterization either (eg the stats on detransitioning in the link), there is certainly studies that support the care these young people receive - even if you disagree with it and cherry pick studies and YouTube videos from god knows where. I'm tired of this discussion, to me it feels like the old conversion therapy dialogue - stupid, pointless, and 100% the wrong answer.

It's getting harder and harder to differentiate reality and satire.

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Great. I'll let the hungry, homeless, and uneducated kids know their legislators didn't get to help them because they were too busy helping the fractional sized group of trans kids who were privileged enough to live in homes that their parents could see in out medical treatment from doctors under the standard of care for their situation.

I don't agree with your characterization either (eg the stats on detransitioning in the link), there is certainly studies that support the care these young people receive - even if you disagree with it and cherry pick studies and YouTube videos from god knows where. I'm tired of this discussion, to me it feels like the old conversion therapy dialogue - stupid, pointless, and 100% the wrong answer.

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You have multiple people in this thread with medical experience, including 2 docs with over 20 years of experience, who say this is harmful to children. Yet you continue to ignore and deflect. This practice is dangerous and you're altering kids neuro anatomy. Giving kids anticholinergic allergy meds has shown to lead to early onset dementia, imagine what drugs that block the hypothalamic-pituitary axis during the point where this anatomy is needed the most will lead to

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Great. I'll let the hungry, homeless, and uneducated kids know their legislators didn't get to help them because they were too busy helping the fractional sized group of trans kids who were privileged enough to live in homes that their parents could see in out medical treatment from doctors under the standard of care for their situation.

I don't agree with your characterization either (eg the stats on detransitioning in the link), there is certainly studies that support the care these young people receive - even if you disagree with it and cherry pick studies and YouTube videos from god knows where. I'm tired of this discussion, to me it feels like the old conversion therapy dialogue - stupid, pointless, and 100% the wrong answer.

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You have multiple people in this thread with medical experience, including 2 docs with over 20 years of experience, who say this is harmful to children. Yet you continue to ignore and deflect. This practice is dangerous and you're altering kids neuro anatomy. Giving kids anticholinergic allergy meds has shown to lead to early onset dementia, imagine what drugs that block the hypothalamic-pituitary axis during the point where this anatomy is needed the most will lead to

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If this is so clearly the wrong answer, why is it the standard of care for some time now?

I understand doctors can and do have opinions on things, you're entitled to yours - why not ask your question to the medical community at large rather than random internet Texags poster.

When you grew up with people, including many in medical community, saying what you are is wrong you may have a bit more empathy for a group of people now hearing the same thing. Again, I am not pushing for these kids to receive puberty blockers or surgical procedures - just for their doctors, your peers, to not have their care legislated by asshats like Dan Patrick.

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whytho987654 said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Great. I'll let the hungry, homeless, and uneducated kids know their legislators didn't get to help them because they were too busy helping the fractional sized group of trans kids who were privileged enough to live in homes that their parents could see in out medical treatment from doctors under the standard of care for their situation.

I don't agree with your characterization either (eg the stats on detransitioning in the link), there is certainly studies that support the care these young people receive - even if you disagree with it and cherry pick studies and YouTube videos from god knows where. I'm tired of this discussion, to me it feels like the old conversion therapy dialogue - stupid, pointless, and 100% the wrong answer.

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You have multiple people in this thread with medical experience, including 2 docs with over 20 years of experience, who say this is harmful to children. Yet you continue to ignore and deflect. This practice is dangerous and you're altering kids neuro anatomy. Giving kids anticholinergic allergy meds has shown to lead to early onset dementia, imagine what drugs that block the hypothalamic-pituitary axis during the point where this anatomy is needed the most will lead to

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If this is so clearly the wrong answer, why is it the standard of care for some time now?

I understand doctors can and do have opinions on things, you're entitled to yours - why not ask your question to the medical community at large rather than random internet Texags poster.

When you grew up with people, including many in medical community, saying what you are is wrong you may have a bit more empathy for a group of people now hearing the same thing. Again, I am not pushing for these kids to receive puberty blockers or surgical procedures - just for their doctors, your peers, to not have their care legislated by asshats like Dan Patrick.

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Transitioning grown adults is the standard of care, transitioning kids actively going through puberty by physiologically altering their neuroanatomy is not supported by any evidence-based practices. Common sense and critically thinking is not present in the few doctors who are driven by political agendas like op posted.

Also, medicine is already heavily legislated. There's a reason jow blow off the street cant prescribe meds like a doctor can.

That last statement is an apples and oranges commentary, try harder.

The "standard of care" comes from the APA and AAP. 2 organizations that do not depart from progressive dogma. It's simply an appeal to authority to hide behind their endorsement of this child abuse. Puberty blockers do serious damage to children. I guess that's secondary to the importance of not disagreeing with team rainbow. Better to be wrong and properly aligned with the identity group than be right and aligned with the loathed Christians, regardless of the harm done to children.

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That last statement is an apples and oranges commentary, try harder.

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Not really. Can a pediatrician perform neurosurgery? Can a radiologist practice cardiology? Can an endocrinologist perform orthopedic surgeries? and vice versa. Standards and laws exist to prevent public harm. If anything you are the one saying what is right and wrong with medicine when you are the one with the least amount of experience and expertise compared to the previous posters.

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TXAGFAN said:

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That last statement is an apples and oranges commentary, try harder.

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Not really. Can a pediatrician perform neurosurgery? Can a radiologist practice cardiology? Can an endocrinologist perform orthopedic surgeries? and vice versa. Standards and laws exist to prevent public harm. If anything you are the one saying what is right and wrong with medicine when you are the one with the least amount of experience and expertise compared to the previous posters.

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All of those examples are related to medical doctors, some random guy on the street being able to prescribe drugs is not the same thing. Better job in this post.

To be clear you're arguing with me rather than the doctors who disagree with you, I have zero sway on this topic.

Nature almost always gets it right. Nurture, particularly in this day and age… not so much.

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Great. I didn't say medical doctors shouldn't have discretion in their care, quite the opposite.

Your med school friend is proposing legislation restricting doctors ability to perform their jobs. Are you good with that as a concept?

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"Doctors"

Sorry, doesn't carry the same weight it used to. Now there are a large group of "doctors" who will say and do anything just to go along with the party. Doesn't matter if it causes harm. Just look at how they openly ridiculed ivermectin.

So if you are asking if I support legislation preventing "doctors" from child abuse? Hell yes! Leave the kids alone!

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Makes me laugh a bit that doctors are like lawyers now for a group of people that "do their research" on the twitter where they got their WebMD - they don't like doctors until they need one.

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Yet when doctors responded to your posts, you barely mustered a few sentence response. You don't like doctors unless they agree with you.

BTW, Lightyear tanked.

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Great. I'll let the hungry, homeless, and uneducated kids know their legislators didn't get to help them because they were too busy helping the fractional sized group of trans kids who were privileged enough to live in homes that their parents could see in out medical treatment from doctors under the standard of care for their situation.

I don't agree with your characterization either (eg the stats on detransitioning in the link), there is certainly studies that support the care these young people receive - even if you disagree with it and cherry pick studies and YouTube videos from god knows where. I'm tired of this discussion, to me it feels like the old conversion therapy dialogue - stupid, pointless, and 100% the wrong answer.

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So you can't work on legislation to protect kids from child abuse until all of those kids are sheltered and on free meal programs? Congrats, that's the dumbest thing I've read today.

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whytho987654 said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Great. I'll let the hungry, homeless, and uneducated kids know their legislators didn't get to help them because they were too busy helping the fractional sized group of trans kids who were privileged enough to live in homes that their parents could see in out medical treatment from doctors under the standard of care for their situation.

I don't agree with your characterization either (eg the stats on detransitioning in the link), there is certainly studies that support the care these young people receive - even if you disagree with it and cherry pick studies and YouTube videos from god knows where. I'm tired of this discussion, to me it feels like the old conversion therapy dialogue - stupid, pointless, and 100% the wrong answer.

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You have multiple people in this thread with medical experience, including 2 docs with over 20 years of experience, who say this is harmful to children. Yet you continue to ignore and deflect. This practice is dangerous and you're altering kids neuro anatomy. Giving kids anticholinergic allergy meds has shown to lead to early onset dementia, imagine what drugs that block the hypothalamic-pituitary axis during the point where this anatomy is needed the most will lead to

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If this is so clearly the wrong answer, why is it the standard of care for some time now?

I understand doctors can and do have opinions on things, you're entitled to yours - why not ask your question to the medical community at large rather than random internet Texags poster.

When you grew up with people, including many in medical community, saying what you are is wrong you may have a bit more empathy for a group of people now hearing the same thing. Again, I am not pushing for these kids to receive puberty blockers or surgical procedures - just for their doctors, your peers, to not have their care legislated by asshats like Dan Patrick.

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That's a false premise that protecting children from predatory physicians executing a eugenics agenda against confused children is diverting legislatures from addressing problems of hunger, homelessness, and education. Protecting children does not require a lot of budgetary authority. It's a pure policy enforcement issue.

They are in fact also tackling those issues but not from the perspective of the Utopian leftists that believe government appropriation of financial resources is the solution to hunger, homelessness, and horrible public education. The fundamental issue that the legislatures must address in each of these cases is the institutional capture by leftists that impose Marxist policies and doctrine to nurture the problems instead of curtailing them. No amount of funding can fix public education when "professionals" like Randy Weingarten speak for teachers.