Unpopular opinion here, but thinking about things from the other side.

Biden's speech was strategically well positioned. The problem with MAGA is that there is no real leader for the movement outside of Trump at this point, and that guys is turning more and more toxic. His tweets about a new election were not helpful in this regard, and the Democrats effectively took advantage of it.

America First is a policy that will win. It WILL unite 90% of the Republican party, and those members of the Democratic party that have fallen on the wayside due to the commitment to wokist extremism and absolutely perverse fiscal policies.

But, without someone to stand up for America First besides Trump, who is going to combat messages like we heard last night?

There is absolutely nothing about America First that challenges democracy. Who is going to stand up and say something about that? Trump? He's the boy that cried wolf. It will fall on deaf ears.

This is not unlike the end of the Tea Party movement. We need more politicians to stand up and embrace America First, or it will die.

Anyone falling for the "OMG MAGA PEOPLE" were already voting for democrats.

The soft middle will sit out elections rather than be lumped in with this demonization of the maga republicans. Attack on democracy, repeated over and over will work on a good number of people.

evestor1 said:

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Anyone falling for the "OMG MAGA PEOPLE" were already voting for democrats.

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Exactly. That speech wasn't directed towards us, it was for them. That was the step that immediately precedes criminalizing political opposition and arresting the opposition leader. Expect to see a Trump indictment soon.

"that guy's turning more and more toxic"....

WTF, dude?
They RANSACKED his home! And THEN put a picture of said 'Top Secret', 'Classified' documents on BLAST for the GENERAL PUBLIC to view!

It doesn't make sense. And if it DOESN'T make sense, it's NOT TRUE.

This seems to be the Dem play book:

Step 1: Contribute to and support the election of MAGA Republicans in primary races
Step 2 Demonize and de-humanize MAGA Republicans after primary season over
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit

RebelE Infantry said:

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evestor1 said:

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Anyone falling for the "OMG MAGA PEOPLE" were already voting for democrats.

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Exactly. That speech wasn't directed towards us, it was for them. That was the step that immediately precedes criminalizing political opposition and arresting the opposition leader. Expect to see a Trump indictment soon.

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That speech was to terrify the squishy middle. Vote correctly or stay out of this. You're next.

If Republican leadership was smart they would avoid the whole Trump Maga talking point and attack directly at the divisiveness. It's super easy.

"Forget the Maga, left, right, Dem, Republican. The leader of the Democratic party is trying to divide this country by ostrasicing a portion of this country. That is not true leadership."

You can rip the 2020 message of unity and bringing people together from the Democrats and use it in the upcoming mid terms and 2024.

I think Biden made a huge mistake with that speech. Hopefully Republicans can capitalize.

Buster has a point, his post proves how this administration is changing the ideals of people. Remember, lots of stupid people out there.

BusterAg said:

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Unpopular opinion here, but thinking about things from the other side.

Biden's speech was strategically well positioned. The problem with MAGA is that there is no real leader for the movement outside of Trump at this point, and that guys is turning more and more toxic. His tweets about a new election were not helpful in this regard, and the Democrats effectively took advantage of it.

America First is a policy that will win. It WILL unite 90% of the Republican party, and those members of the Democratic party that have fallen on the wayside due to the commitment to wokist extremism and absolutely perverse fiscal policies.

But, without someone to stand up for America First besides Trump, who is going to combat messages like we heard last night?

There is absolutely nothing about America First that challenges democracy. Who is going to stand up and say something about that? Trump? He's the boy that cried wolf. It will fall on deaf ears.

This is not unlike the end of the Tea Party movement. We need more politicians to stand up and embrace America First, or it will die.

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so you are claiming that Ron DeSantis has not been standing up for MAGA?
Ted Cruz?
Tom Cotton?
JD Vance?

really?!

MAGA is not a "movement". It was a campaign slogan that has been hijacked by msm. A true conservative has and always will believe in America first.

pdc093 said:

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"that guy's turning more and more toxic"....

WTF, dude?
They RANSACKED his home! And THEN put a picture of said 'Top Secret', 'Classified' documents on BLAST for the GENERAL PUBLIC to view!

It doesn't make sense. And if it DOESN'T make sense, it's NOT TRUE.

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That was all evil.

But his response was to demand a new election? That makes zero sense.

The Dems goaded him into his number one conceit: completely undisciplined communication.

A measured, angry but reasonable response would have been powerful. But, his temper tantrums are turning Americans away from him.

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RebelE Infantry said:

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evestor1 said:

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Anyone falling for the "OMG MAGA PEOPLE" were already voting for democrats.

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Exactly. That speech wasn't directed towards us, it was for them. That was the step that immediately precedes criminalizing political opposition and arresting the opposition leader. Expect to see a Trump indictment soon.

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That speech was to terrify the squishy middle. Vote correctly or stay out of this. You're next.

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Yep. The best thing Republicans can do is ignore it and just go on the offense and hammer Biden on his dementia, pedophilia, incompetence Etc

It's effective because a lot of people hate Trump and if voters can continue to think about that it's a good thing for the Dems. Also, it would be better for voters to think about that than recession, unemployment, inflation,

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BusterAg said:

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Unpopular opinion here, but thinking about things from the other side.

Biden's speech was strategically well positioned. The problem with MAGA is that there is no real leader for the movement outside of Trump at this point, and that guys is turning more and more toxic. His tweets about a new election were not helpful in this regard, and the Democrats effectively took advantage of it.

America First is a policy that will win. It WILL unite 90% of the Republican party, and those members of the Democratic party that have fallen on the wayside due to the commitment to wokist extremism and absolutely perverse fiscal policies.

But, without someone to stand up for America First besides Trump, who is going to combat messages like we heard last night?

There is absolutely nothing about America First that challenges democracy. Who is going to stand up and say something about that? Trump? He's the boy that cried wolf. It will fall on deaf ears.

This is not unlike the end of the Tea Party movement. We need more politicians to stand up and embrace America First, or it will die.

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so you are claiming that Ron DeSantis has not been standing up for MAGA?
Ted Cruz?
Tom Cotton?
JD Vance?

really?!

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Policy wise, DeSantis is Mike Tyson in his prime.

Ted is doing fine, so is Tom.

But, who is going to stand up and be extremely public that Biden's speech is full of lies and is dangerous for this country. There should have been a prime-time response last night to the speech, refuting all the crap that Biden spewed.

But, the GOP is disorganized, so they are subject to this attack. Their disorganization is what is making this speech more effective. No one is out front calling Biden on this BS.

That is my primary point. Not that GOP has no one willing to fight. We do. But, we are not coordinated.

Sorry, Kulak. You are Extreme MAGA now.

OP and most of America are clueless. The speech and Mar a Lago are about one thing. Distracting America from Hunter's underage sex crimes and proven corruption of "big guy".

Yes, it's effective. In the same way getting the country to debate vaccines and masks was effective in covering up fact that the virus leaked from a lab doing shady bioweapon development under a GoF research grant.

It was straight up Alinsky's Rules for Radicals #13:

13. "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.


Your DemocRat party, folks. Radicals.

SIX YEARS. Day after DAY.....

D-Fens said:

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OP and most of America are clueless. The speech and Mar a Lago are about one thing. Distracting America from Hunter's underage sex crimes and proven corruption of "big guy".

Yes, it's effective. In the same way getting the country to debate vaccines and masks was effective in covering up fact that the virus leaked from a lab doing shady bioweapon development under a GoF research grant.

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OK,

Where is the coordinated messaging.

A GOP response last night should have been:

1) America first is not anti-democracy. Far from it. We believe in the sanctity of both the integrity of the vote and the results of the vote. We hope to work with our colleagues across the isle to shore up the integrity of the vote so that they are immune from the criticism of even the most vocal detractors.

2) This speech is dangerous for America. Biden is trying to divide us by demonizing a large portion of America that, first and foremost, believes in the fundamental values and ideas of America.

3) While Biden is demonizing America, the policies of this administration have been absolutely devastating to Americans. The American's that Biden is demonizing are struggling to pay their grocery bill, fill up their car, heat or cool their home, and pay their rent because of the disastrous fiscal policies of this administration. What the president just told the American people is that if you criticize the policies of this administration that are damaging your ability to achieve prosperity, you are an extremist and an enemy of the rest of America. That is dangerous.



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Where is this response, or something like it? Why wasn't it broadcast on Fox News last night right after the speech?

Aggie95 said:

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MAGA is not a "movement". It was a campaign slogan that has been hijacked by msm. A true conservative has and always will believe in America first.

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This is the truth.
No one goes around saying, "I'm a MAGA Republican."

But many would like a strong America.

Taking this at face value, Der Furher Biden is claiming that Americans who support a strong country are terrorists. Biden's puppeteers are truly trying to destroy the country.

So they're saying the people who want to Make America Great Again are the enemy? Are they openly admitting they do not want America to be great?

RedHand said:

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If Republican leadership was smart they would avoid the whole Trump Maga talking point and attack directly at the divisiveness. It's super easy.

"Forget the Maga, left, right, Dem, Republican. The leader of the Democratic party is trying to divide this country by ostrasicing a portion of this country. That is not true leadership."

You can rip the 2020 message of unity and bringing people together from the Democrats and use it in the upcoming mid terms and 2024.

I think Biden made a huge mistake with that speech. Hopefully Republicans can capitalize.

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The Republican leadership and other swamp members probably helped coordinate the speech.

There is no conservative leadership or unity right now. Ripe for an attack like this.

it was strategically effective to get democrats and never-trumpers e-humping themselves.

this is going to cause people luke warm on Trump to move towards him. will be a huge backfire by biden.

Buster,

this message should be sent to every Republican in Washington -

Where the Hell are they ??

They are hiding in a corner, afraid they will be accused of mean tweets or some other odd shi* -

BusterAg said:

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Unpopular opinion here, but thinking about things from the other side.

Biden's speech was strategically well positioned. The problem with MAGA is that there is no real leader for the movement outside of Trump at this point, and that guys is turning more and more toxic. His tweets about a new election were not helpful in this regard, and the Democrats effectively took advantage of it.

America First is a policy that will win. It WILL unite 90% of the Republican party, and those members of the Democratic party that have fallen on the wayside due to the commitment to wokist extremism and absolutely perverse fiscal policies.

But, without someone to stand up for America First besides Trump, who is going to combat messages like we heard last night?

There is absolutely nothing about America First that challenges democracy. Who is going to stand up and say something about that? Trump? He's the boy that cried wolf. It will fall on deaf ears.

This is not unlike the end of the Tea Party movement. We need more politicians to stand up and embrace America First, or it will die.

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Politicians will not stand up for "America First". Politicians stand for "me first" and are what we MAGA folks call "the establishment". They are bought and paid for by large special interest groups and do not represent the will of the people.

That's what makes the MAGA leader Trump so effective. He isn't bought and paid for. He isn't influenced by money the way politicians are. His policies were specifically to help all Americans and shake up the corrupt establishment government. He's our leader.

Biden is illegitimate and now trying to silence the opposition that wants to reveal the vast level of corruption between him and other establishment politicians.

MAGA.

Edit: your star count confirms that you do indeed have an unpopular opinion.

Edit 2: see star count of alternate opinion here: https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3312380

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it was strategically effective to get democrats and never-trumpers e-humping themselves.

this is going to cause people luke warm on Trump to move towards him. will be a huge backfire by biden.

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I hope you are right...

BusterAg said:

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Unpopular opinion here, but thinking about things from the other side.

Biden's speech was strategically well positioned. The problem with MAGA is that there is no real leader for the movement outside of Trump at this point, and that guys is turning more and more toxic. His tweets about a new election were not helpful in this regard, and the Democrats effectively took advantage of it.

America First is a policy that will win. It WILL unite 90% of the Republican party, and those members of the Democratic party that have fallen on the wayside due to the commitment to wokist extremism and absolutely perverse fiscal policies.

But, without someone to stand up for America First besides Trump, who is going to combat messages like we heard last night?

There is absolutely nothing about America First that challenges democracy. Who is going to stand up and say something about that? Trump? He's the boy that cried wolf. It will fall on deaf ears.

This is not unlike the end of the Tea Party movement. We need more politicians to stand up and embrace America First, or it will die.

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Another person broken by the Dems, DOJ and the FBI.

fundamentally, what needs to be understood is that MAGA is a made up term as a substitute for "Conservatives". just remember that every time you hear MAGA because that's who he's talking about. it's just easier to package it as something different because his followers are very very stupid and won't think critically. He's playing into their hatred for trump and feeding it.

I'm afraid it's about to get a little violent if this keeps up. He just declared Jihad on his political rivals. and the first shots won't come from the right. He's trying to drive his base to violence. This has a very very Crystalnacht vibe to it

Seems appropriate here.

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Anyone falling for the "OMG MAGA PEOPLE" were already voting for democrats.

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Exactly.

This speech did not sway anyone and was not intended to sway anyone.

It was intended to galvanize and push the never trumpets and democrats further left ND give them an excuse to do whatever dirty deeds they are called upon to do in the future and to excuse whatever acts the administration and their weaponized alphabet agencies will perpetrate upon conservatives moving forward.

This had nothing to do with swaying the election and everything to do with setting the stage for what is to come.

This is what Nazi Germany looked like in the few years leading up to their takeover.

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LMCane said:

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BusterAg said:

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Unpopular opinion here, but thinking about things from the other side.

Biden's speech was strategically well positioned. The problem with MAGA is that there is no real leader for the movement outside of Trump at this point, and that guys is turning more and more toxic. His tweets about a new election were not helpful in this regard, and the Democrats effectively took advantage of it.

America First is a policy that will win. It WILL unite 90% of the Republican party, and those members of the Democratic party that have fallen on the wayside due to the commitment to wokist extremism and absolutely perverse fiscal policies.

But, without someone to stand up for America First besides Trump, who is going to combat messages like we heard last night?

There is absolutely nothing about America First that challenges democracy. Who is going to stand up and say something about that? Trump? He's the boy that cried wolf. It will fall on deaf ears.

This is not unlike the end of the Tea Party movement. We need more politicians to stand up and embrace America First, or it will die.

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so you are claiming that Ron DeSantis has not been standing up for MAGA?
Ted Cruz?
Tom Cotton?
JD Vance?

really?!

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Policy wise, DeSantis is Mike Tyson in his prime.

Ted is doing fine, so is Tom.

But, who is going to stand up and be extremely public that Biden's speech is full of lies and is dangerous for this country. There should have been a prime-time response last night to the speech, refuting all the crap that Biden spewed.

But, the GOP is disorganized, so they are subject to this attack. Their disorganization is what is making this speech more effective. No one is out front calling Biden on this BS.

That is my primary point. Not that GOP has no one willing to fight. We do. But, we are not coordinated.

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There are too many RINOs in the Republican Party for any hope of a coordinated response. If Ron DeSantis wants to be the nominee in 2024 he needs to take the lead on this and make one of his classic, no-holds-barred statements and take Biden to task. Call a press conference to make a big announcement. Bait the media into being there live. Make them think he's about to announce he is running and then let the Democrats have it with both barrels. The president or the Party nominee needs to be the galvanizing voice of the Party. This is DeSantis' moment to step up and lead.

Make America Great Again

So simple... so scary... so evil... it must be stopped!

pdc093 said:

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"that guy's turning more and more toxic"....

WTF, dude?
They RANSACKED his home! And THEN put a picture of said 'Top Secret', 'Classified' documents on BLAST for the GENERAL PUBLIC to view!

It doesn't make sense. And if it DOESN'T make sense, it's NOT TRUE.

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Serving warrants has been standard and routine practice for law enforcement for quite some time now. Why all of a sudden is their an attempt to make it something else or even illegal?