Climate change has always been about stealing money.

That's the E in ESG.

Social credit and stealing your retirement is coming soon.

Or maybe they are closing coal for the same reason Texas did it… gas is cheaper.

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Average electrical demand in GW * 1000 * price of renewables in dollars per MW.

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*(1/efficiency at ideal conditions) *(1/some figure representing percentage of optimal sunlight over the course of the day)*(1/efficiency of converting to AC)

And all of this is only for daylight hour cost. You would also need to completely come up with new infrastructure for none peak daylight time as battery technology is nowhere near at a place to support this and the none of the current infrastructure is able to shutdown and restart on command.

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Or maybe they are closing coal for the same reason Texas did it… gas is cheaper.

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Honest question, is it in Arizona? Long term I would assume so, but it'd take a lot of new pipelines that would have to go through Cali/Colorado/NM ... between that and enviromentals in Arizona I'd assume that would be a tall order.

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All thanks to the green warriors and their climate crisis BS. This is 100% on them and their alarmist lies.

If we don't start building more natural gas and nuclear power plants and quit focusing on wind and solar, things will be the same in the U.S. very soon.

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This is literally because of reduced gas from Russia, solar and wind (and nuclear) would literally have prevented this.

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Hammerly High Dive Crips said:

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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great reset anyone?

destroy current system - in progress
cause irreparable damage- in progress
caus as much pain as possible- in progress

make them accept new financial system as alternative, own nothing, and eat bugs and like it- coming to a town, city, state, near you.

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On the other thread you seemed to imply that we have the power to change this. Enlighten me...give me some hope.

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Hello fed!

Most natural gas is fast enough to turn on and off at night.

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Manhattan said:

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Or maybe they are closing coal for the same reason Texas did it… gas is cheaper.

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Honest question, is it in Arizona? Long term I would assume so, but it'd take a lot of new pipelines that would have to go through Cali/Colorado/NM ... between that and enviromentals in Arizona I'd assume that would be a tall order.

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It could be cheaper I guess, there is a lot of fossil fuel production in Northern, NM just across the border.

I know a Supervisor that works for the power company here in Arizona (SRP), and he told me the Environmentalist have been on their arse for years about these plants and they have just gotten tired of dealing with that and are closing them down completely or retrofitting a couple of the newer power plants to use alternate fuels like natural gas.

The sad part is those Power plants and the Coal mines employ a lot of people in North East Arizona, including a bunch of Native Americans that probably voted Blue down the ticket. A lot of them will have to move to different areas to stay employed with SRP or just get layed off and there is very little work to begin with that pays decent in North East Arizona. I will never understand why people vote against their own interests.

Anyone thinking solar and wind could hold a candle to hydrocarbons or nuclear.

Science is laughing at you. We are too. Mike Tyson also.

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Most natural gas is fast enough to turn on and off at night.

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Thank you for proving your ignorance on the subject matter. Very (very) little energy infrastructure in the US is able to be throttled to 0 and back daily without absolutely destroying it. They can be throttled, but not that much, so you would have most of the existing fuel cost/production during the day regardless or a massive expense to overhaul/replace existing infrastructure with cycle friendly equipment.

The equipment exists, it's just rarely been used.

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Manhattan said:

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Most natural gas is fast enough to turn on and off at night.

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Thank you for proving your ignorance on the subject matter. Very (very) little energy infrastructure in the US is able to be throttled to 0 and back daily without absolutely destroying it. They can be throttled, but not that much, so you would have most of the existing fuel cost/production during the day regardless or a massive expense to overhaul/replace existing infrastructure with cycle friendly equipment.

The equipment exists, it's just rarely been used.

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But his PoliSci professor said!

Definitely Not A Cop said:

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The US could have moved all daytime energy usage to solar (less the cost of land acquisition which I realize would be big, but not double the price) for the price or PPP.

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No they couldn't have. You would need to build 4x the number of power plants. You would have to shorten lines all across the nation. It would take 30 years to build that many solar panels, especially in the current economic environment. By that time, not even half of those power plants would be finished, because of all the environmental regulations they would be forced to pass. By the time they were finishing installing just the panels, they would have to start back over replacing them. You would need find somewhere to throw all the broken panels away, so you are looking at massive landfill building. You would kill every migratory bird in the country. It would be never ending costs that would bankrupt us.

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Not to mention sufficient minerals required for the batteries do not exist on this planet at any price, and what supplies there are are all in unfriendly places. Not to mention all the other downsides.

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Most natural gas is fast enough to turn on and off at night.

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Manhattan said:

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Most natural gas is fast enough to turn on and off at night.

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Show. Your. Source.

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Manhattan said:

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Most natural gas is fast enough to turn on and off at night.

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Show. Your. Source.

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He's a troll..

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Hammerly High Dive Crips said:

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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great reset anyone?

destroy current system - in progress
cause irreparable damage- in progress
caus as much pain as possible- in progress

make them accept new financial system as alternative, own nothing, and eat bugs and like it- coming to a town, city, state, near you.

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On the other thread you seemed to imply that we have the power to change this. Enlighten me...give me some hope.

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Hello fed!

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I thought the same thing!

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Hammerly High Dive Crips said:

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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great reset anyone?

destroy current system - in progress
cause irreparable damage- in progress
caus as much pain as possible- in progress

make them accept new financial system as alternative, own nothing, and eat bugs and like it- coming to a town, city, state, near you.

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On the other thread you seemed to imply that we have the power to change this. Enlighten me...give me some hope.

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Hello fed!

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I thought the same thing!

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LOL, not a fed. I hate the feds. Do you hate the feds too? Tell me what you want to do to them?

JK...The guy I was originally responding to in this thread was calling me out on another thread for basically saying that the liberals/globalists have won the long game and that things will only continue to get worse in the future and we are powerless to stop it. I like his optimism and hope I am wrong, but it just feels that way. Just a little back story as to my response to him.

If I am not flagged by the modern weaponized FBI, or on some stupid "list", they suck at their job.

If the progressive left wishes hard enough and dreams big enough, their delusions can substitute, for a time, for the basic physical limitations that reality has dealt us.

They simply have to pretend constraints of chemistry and physics and economics don't exist, and they can feel morally superior about their self delusions until neglected reality starts really harming and killing people.

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Which by then it will be too late.

At least that the plan.

I question anybody who doesn't think we will see massive depopulation of the planet in our lifetime.

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Welcome to socialism

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Which will lead to the rise of fascism in Europe.

agwrestler said:

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Tom Doniphon said:

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Welcome to socialism

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Which will lead to the rise of fascism in Europe.

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The Germans and Italians aren't, in truth, that far off today from getting to those points/a new alliance.

🚨🚨EUROPE ENERGY CRISIS🚨🚨

One small coffee shop's energy bill goes from
> 2482 euro
> to 8979 euro

THIS IS UNSUSTAINABLE pic.twitter.com/dnSj7zEUKM

— Crab Man (@crabcrawler1) August 30, 2022

This thread is wild. These price increases are insane.

The USA won't be much better this winter, especially up north where is gets very cold.

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The USA won't be much better this winter, especially up north where is gets very cold.

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We don't rely on a foreign adversary to supply our natural gas...

wouldnt be surprised if nato dissolves over this.

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"Buy an electric car, and save on gas, they said. Trust us, they said.

Then, my electric bill hit $10K one month."

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2 and a half months.

These cafes are likely running commercial coolers and/or freezers. They need to change the business model and reduce refrigerated offerings because that is where their money is going, and those things likely aren't paying for themselves anymore. Eliminate the coolers and eliminate much of the electric bill.

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I am sure it is easy for a caf/pastry restaurant to get away from using eggs, milk, butter, cream, cheeses, and things like that. Need to only serve foot bread like the people eat in Afghanistan

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The coffee shop posted a 10k euro bill that will translate to 50k/yr. Yes, they need cream and some refrigerated items, but they're likely serving pastries add other chilled items they can cut from their menu. Cut those, move to prepackaged biscotti and other snacks, and bring costs down. Anything requiring chilling not used for coffee has to go.

Cafes and pastry restaurants need commercial coolers and freezers for storage, but many use open air coolers or coolers with glass for display as well (think Starbucks or the fish counter at HEB). Those are very inefficient, especially in summer months, and can be removed. Reduce the number of pastries with cream fillings and move to canned fruit fillings. Replace milk with powdered milk or canned evaporated milk that doesn't require refrigeration. Cheesecake, truffles, custards, cream filled cakes, and anything that needs to be refrigerated after being made needs to go. Cut consumption, whatever it takes.

If you're a pastry shop or cafe that can't afford electricity, *****ing about it and spouting rhetoric on energy policy isn't going to save your business. Knowing where your costs are and what you can do to cut them will.

And yes, Europe has ****ed themselves because of "green" energy, but now they're going to have to figure out how to cut their used or face serious economic issues. Even if they have to move to using candles, they need to start squeezing everything they can from their usage. What's done is done, so they only option is to deal with it and move forward.

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My mum owns a small café in Leicester. Her electricity bill has just jumped from £10k ($12k) a year to £55k ($64k) a year.

She is working out her options but more than likely she will be forced to close. pic.twitter.com/7GN4WC77Gl

— Callum ⭐️ (@CallumMckeefery) August 29, 2022

I got this electricity bill today, how in the name of God is this possible, we're a small coffee shop in westmeath pic.twitter.com/uz5J8BePhB

— poppyfields cafe.🇺🇦 (@DolanGeraldine) August 29, 2022

Many many small businesses are going to close because of this. European leaders are going to crush Europe with their short sided views. This winter is going to crush much of that continent.

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I agree with you.

But come on. "Short sided"? Did you go to Blinn?

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"Buy an electric car, and save on gas, they said. Trust us, they said.

Then, my electric bill hit $10K one month."

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2 and a half months.

These cafes are likely running commercial coolers and/or freezers. They need to change the business model and reduce refrigerated offerings because that is where their money is going, and those things likely aren't paying for themselves anymore. Eliminate the coolers and eliminate much of the electric bill.

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I am sure it is easy for a caf/pastry restaurant to get away from using eggs, milk, butter, cream, cheeses, and things like that. Need to only serve foot bread like the people eat in Afghanistan

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The coffee shop posted a 10k euro bill that will translate to 50k/yr. Yes, they need cream and some refrigerated items, but they're likely serving pastries add other chilled items they can cut from their menu. Cut those, move to prepackaged biscotti and other snacks, and bring costs down. Anything requiring chilling not used for coffee has to go.

Cafes and pastry restaurants need commercial coolers and freezers for storage, but many use open air coolers or coolers with glass for display as well (think Starbucks or the fish counter at HEB). Those are very inefficient, especially in summer months, and can be removed. Reduce the number of pastries with cream fillings and move to canned fruit fillings. Replace milk with powdered milk or canned evaporated milk that doesn't require refrigeration. Cheesecake, truffles, custards, cream filled cakes, and anything that needs to be refrigerated after being made needs to go. Cut consumption, whatever it takes.

If you're a pastry shop or cafe that can't afford electricity, *****ing about it and spouting rhetoric on energy policy isn't going to save your business. Knowing where your costs are and what you can do to cut them will.

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LMAO that's a whole lot of text for a bunch of bs.

No way a coffee shop cutting back on their refrigeration is going to solve this problem for them.

They are fooked and nothing short of war and/or massive deficit spending to subsidize their energy costs will even make a dent.

Abilene Christian University (via a partnership including TAMU) applies for a molten salt nuke generator license.

Pretty cool, faster please (this 1mw to be built by 2025 if approved).

What a crock of ***** Can't believe you actually typed all that bs out thinking you actually had a good idea going. Wtf

Al and Greta smile.

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What a crock of ***** Can't believe you actually typed all that bs out thinking you actually had a good idea going. Wtf

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Yep. This is like the inverse of 2 Teaconomics: remove everything you can that has a cost factor. Nevermind the gremlin over there in the corner that's the horrible energy policies that caused the problem.

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Translated Into Klaus Schwab this say: Roach Paste needs no refrigeration!