annie88 said:

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This is an interesting thread on one couples experience with either the uninformed or flat out liar. My money is on the latter. Now it certainly does appear that this gentleman and his wife have a big interest in this as well but his arguments are very concise.

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Need more of this. Leftists are extremely underhanded and you have to be smart in how you beat them at their own game. A similar example was "What is a Woman?" where the most damning thing was how Matt Walsh just stayed calm and asked questions and let them say the quiet part our loud over and over.

C@LAg said:

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did you really quote all of those tweets?

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Just a habit, I edited them out since it bothered you. The point is the same.

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I like the idea of all education being private.

But a more realistic goal is "make all education local".

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Not only is it more realistic, it is the stronger of the two ideas.

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If a top performing school can only hold 1000 kids, and 2000 apply, what happens? You know there won't be equal opportunity by lottery because AYden, KaYden, and JaYden White's parents sure won't put up with the prospect of their kids maybe losing and going to the hood. Jamaal and LaQueefa will just have to wait a few years for those schools to expand, a magic private school gets built, and magic teachers become available at those magic schools (I know, anyone can teach, so that's not a big deal).

School choice may well be "symbolism over substance".

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You really think these private schools that have Ayden, Kayden, and McKenzie attending wouldn't jump through their arses to enroll Jamaal and LaQueefa to boost their "diversity" cred, and CYA themselves from the NAACP?

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annie88 said:

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This is an interesting thread on one couples experience with either the uninformed or flat out liar. My money is on the latter. Now it certainly does appear that this gentleman and his wife have a big interest in this as well but his arguments are very concise.

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Need more of this. Leftists are extremely underhanded and you have to be smart in how you beat them at their own game. A similar example was "What is a Woman?" where the most damning thing was how Matt Walsh just stayed calm and asked questions and let them say the quiet part our loud over and over.

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The guy makes a point of mentioning several times that they were never rude to her nor did they try to embarrass her or such but he certainly sounds like he questioned her pretty hardly and she realized she was in over her head and lying. Especially when she change the subject another things.

Sadly I don't think she will change doing what she's doing though. She's going to keep perpetuating the lies. That's what liberals do. tell others it's not fair, make them feel like they're a victim and they fall for it. The details and truth don't seem to matter.

It looks like in one of the tweets he did call her out directly through the political organization so I imagine they know what happened here.

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If a top performing school can only hold 1000 kids, and 2000 apply, what happens? You know there won't be equal opportunity by lottery because AYden, KaYden, and JaYden White's parents sure won't put up with the prospect of their kids maybe losing and going to the hood. Jamaal and LaQueefa will just have to wait a few years for those schools to expand, a magic private school gets built, and magic teachers become available at those magic schools (I know, anyone can teach, so that's not a big deal).

School choice may well be "symbolism over substance".

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You really think these private schools that have Ayden, Kayden, and McKenzie attending wouldn't jump through their arses to enroll Jamaal and LaQueefa to boost their "diversity" cred, and CYA themselves from the NAACP?

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Do you really think that they will create the rooms, teachers, and seats to accommodate the new student load overnight? Once again……..If a school can only accommodate 1000, and 2000 apply IN THE SAME SCHOOL DISTRICT (private schools are a given issue with likely max enrollment) what happens?

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AggieUSMC said:

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If a top performing school can only hold 1000 kids, and 2000 apply, what happens? You know there won't be equal opportunity by lottery because AYden, KaYden, and JaYden White's parents sure won't put up with the prospect of their kids maybe losing and going to the hood. Jamaal and LaQueefa will just have to wait a few years for those schools to expand, a magic private school gets built, and magic teachers become available at those magic schools (I know, anyone can teach, so that's not a big deal).

School choice may well be "symbolism over substance".

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You really think these private schools that have Ayden, Kayden, and McKenzie attending wouldn't jump through their arses to enroll Jamaal and LaQueefa to boost their "diversity" cred, and CYA themselves from the NAACP?

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Do you really think that they will create the rooms, teachers, and seats to accommodate the new student load overnight? Once again……..If a school can only accommodate 1000, and 2000 apply IN THE SAME SCHOOL DISTRICT (private schools are a given issue with likely max enrollment) what happens?

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What happens? Over time, the free market and the profit motive act as the most efficient allocators of scarce resources. So we can either let the free market work its magic, or we can keep *****ing about how, because of the idiotic choices we've made over the last 100 years, the free market isn't an instantaneous fix (even though there is no instantaneous fix to any of these problems, regardless of what the left likes to tell itself) and keep kicking the can down the road until the whole thing implodes.

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so much for equality of opportunity

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When has life ever offered equal opportunities and outcomes? Life is what you make of it. Some people start in a deeper hole but you can still make your life what you want it to be. I am so sick of the damn victimhood of the left.

My father had to work three jobs at A&M in the early 50s when the tuition was not much, as well as make a two-year commitment to the Army. He did not want to stay in his small town, because he knew not much awaited him. So he made a path for himself to do some thing else. He loved his parents and grandparents and what they had done with their lives which was mostly grocery and farming. He didn't whine, he didn't complain and he didn't blame others, nor did he lord it over people either. He worked hard to get where he did, and he made life much better for my mother, brother and I. He wanted us to have the things he didn't.

When we went back for my grandmothers funeral in 1985, we saw this man in a diner there who looked easily 20 years older than my father, who was about 55 at that time. He and the gentleman spoke briefly and he introduced us to him and he was a very nice man but you could tell he had a pretty hard life.

After he left, I asked my father who the man was and he said he had gone to primary/secondary school with him. I was surprised and mentioned that the man looked so much older than him and my father said, " Well honey he's had a hard life. He's a good man and a hard worker and he's a farmer. I am not better than him in any way, but I was determined to make a different path, that's why I am always saying how important education is to you and your brother."

And he always did. He pushed education and saving your money and investing our entire lives. And he came from very humble beginnings.

So quit thinking that life owes you anything because it doesn't. In my 56 years on this earth, I have never seen a group of people more pathetic and whining and complaining about being constant victims than I have with the current liberals, many of the millennials and the Democrats.

You don't wanna be a victim? Don't be one.

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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DarkBrandon0111 said:

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so much for equality of opportunity

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Not my job to educate your children, it's your job.


Equality of opportunity is a progressive myth.

Equality under law is the only type of equality we should be concerned with.

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Respectfully disagree.

As Americans, we should be expect and be guaranteed equal opportunity.

We shouldn't expect or guarantee equal outcomes.

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Who decides when it is equal and who is required to shoulder the burden of providing the equal opportunity?

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B-1 83 said:

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AggieUSMC said:

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If a top performing school can only hold 1000 kids, and 2000 apply, what happens? You know there won't be equal opportunity by lottery because AYden, KaYden, and JaYden White's parents sure won't put up with the prospect of their kids maybe losing and going to the hood. Jamaal and LaQueefa will just have to wait a few years for those schools to expand, a magic private school gets built, and magic teachers become available at those magic schools (I know, anyone can teach, so that's not a big deal).

School choice may well be "symbolism over substance".

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You really think these private schools that have Ayden, Kayden, and McKenzie attending wouldn't jump through their arses to enroll Jamaal and LaQueefa to boost their "diversity" cred, and CYA themselves from the NAACP?

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Do you really think that they will create the rooms, teachers, and seats to accommodate the new student load overnight? Once again……..If a school can only accommodate 1000, and 2000 apply IN THE SAME SCHOOL DISTRICT (private schools are a given issue with likely max enrollment) what happens?

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What happens? Over time, the free market acts as the most efficient allocator of scarce resources. So we can either let the free market work its magic, or we can keep *****ing about how, because of the idiotic choices we've made over the last 100 years, the free market isn't an instantaneous fix (even there is no instantaneous fix to any of these problems, regardless of the left likes to tell itself) and keep kicking the can down the road until the whole thing implodes.

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"Over time"? How much "time"? This is supposed to be an instant fix. A bunch of kids are about to be screwed by the promise of "better education thru vouchers" without a well thought out solution.

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_mpaul said:

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B-1 83 said:

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AggieUSMC said:

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If a top performing school can only hold 1000 kids, and 2000 apply, what happens? You know there won't be equal opportunity by lottery because AYden, KaYden, and JaYden White's parents sure won't put up with the prospect of their kids maybe losing and going to the hood. Jamaal and LaQueefa will just have to wait a few years for those schools to expand, a magic private school gets built, and magic teachers become available at those magic schools (I know, anyone can teach, so that's not a big deal).

School choice may well be "symbolism over substance".

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You really think these private schools that have Ayden, Kayden, and McKenzie attending wouldn't jump through their arses to enroll Jamaal and LaQueefa to boost their "diversity" cred, and CYA themselves from the NAACP?

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Do you really think that they will create the rooms, teachers, and seats to accommodate the new student load overnight? Once again……..If a school can only accommodate 1000, and 2000 apply IN THE SAME SCHOOL DISTRICT (private schools are a given issue with likely max enrollment) what happens?

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What happens? Over time, the free market acts as the most efficient allocator of scarce resources. So we can either let the free market work its magic, or we can keep *****ing about how, because of the idiotic choices we've made over the last 100 years, the free market isn't an instantaneous fix (even there is no instantaneous fix to any of these problems, regardless of the left likes to tell itself) and keep kicking the can down the road until the whole thing implodes.

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"Over time"? How much "time"? This is supposed to be an instant fix. A bunch of kids are about to be screwed by the promise of "better education thru vouchers" without a well thought out solution.

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You're manufacturing a problem that you don't even know would exists. Regardless, no one said kids are guaranteed admission to the school of their choice. How does the AZ law handle that hypothetical situation? Have you looked? Or are you just making up reasons not to try?

annie88 said:

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aggie93 said:

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annie88 said:

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This is an interesting thread on one couples experience with either the uninformed or flat out liar. My money is on the latter. Now it certainly does appear that this gentleman and his wife have a big interest in this as well but his arguments are very concise.

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Need more of this. Leftists are extremely underhanded and you have to be smart in how you beat them at their own game. A similar example was "What is a Woman?" where the most damning thing was how Matt Walsh just stayed calm and asked questions and let them say the quiet part our loud over and over.

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The guy makes a point of mentioning several times that they were never rude to her nor did they try to embarrass her or such but he certainly sounds like he questioned her pretty hardly and she realized she was in over her head and lying. Especially when she change the subject another things.

Sadly I don't think she will change doing what she's doing though. She's going to keep perpetuating the lies. That's what liberals do. tell others it's not fair, make them feel like they're a victim and they fall for it. The details and truth don't seem to matter.

It looks like in one of the tweets he did call her out directly through the political organization so I imagine they know what happened here.

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The goal isn't to change this person's mind, they are a hard core leftist advocate. The goal is to understand what lies she is telling so that the message can be countered.

aggie93 said:

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annie88 said:

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aggie93 said:

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annie88 said:

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This is an interesting thread on one couples experience with either the uninformed or flat out liar. My money is on the latter. Now it certainly does appear that this gentleman and his wife have a big interest in this as well but his arguments are very concise.

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Need more of this. Leftists are extremely underhanded and you have to be smart in how you beat them at their own game. A similar example was "What is a Woman?" where the most damning thing was how Matt Walsh just stayed calm and asked questions and let them say the quiet part our loud over and over.

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The guy makes a point of mentioning several times that they were never rude to her nor did they try to embarrass her or such but he certainly sounds like he questioned her pretty hardly and she realized she was in over her head and lying. Especially when she change the subject another things.

Sadly I don't think she will change doing what she's doing though. She's going to keep perpetuating the lies. That's what liberals do. tell others it's not fair, make them feel like they're a victim and they fall for it. The details and truth don't seem to matter.

It looks like in one of the tweets he did call her out directly through the political organization so I imagine they know what happened here.

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The goal isn't to change this person's mind, they are a hard core leftist advocate. The goal is to understand what lies she is telling so that the message can be countered.

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Good point. Sounds like he handled it really well. But I think she knew she was losing the arguments. But I'm sure it won't stop her.

C@LAg said:

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CSTXAg92 said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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DarkBrandon0111 said:

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so much for equality of opportunity

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Not my job to educate your children, it's your job.


Equality of opportunity is a progressive myth.

Equality under law is the only type of equality we should be concerned with.

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Respectfully disagree.

As Americans, we should be expect and be guaranteed equal opportunity.

We shouldn't expect or guarantee equal outcomes.

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let's agree to disagree.

you have no rights in the private arena to equal opportunity. nor should you, outside of those defined by law.

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I think this thread is about education, no? As Americans, we should all have an equal opportunity for education. Do you still want to disagree?

annie88 said:

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aggie93 said:

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annie88 said:

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aggie93 said:

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annie88 said:

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This is an interesting thread on one couples experience with either the uninformed or flat out liar. My money is on the latter. Now it certainly does appear that this gentleman and his wife have a big interest in this as well but his arguments are very concise.

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Need more of this. Leftists are extremely underhanded and you have to be smart in how you beat them at their own game. A similar example was "What is a Woman?" where the most damning thing was how Matt Walsh just stayed calm and asked questions and let them say the quiet part our loud over and over.

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The guy makes a point of mentioning several times that they were never rude to her nor did they try to embarrass her or such but he certainly sounds like he questioned her pretty hardly and she realized she was in over her head and lying. Especially when she change the subject another things.

Sadly I don't think she will change doing what she's doing though. She's going to keep perpetuating the lies. That's what liberals do. tell others it's not fair, make them feel like they're a victim and they fall for it. The details and truth don't seem to matter.

It looks like in one of the tweets he did call her out directly through the political organization so I imagine they know what happened here.

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The goal isn't to change this person's mind, they are a hard core leftist advocate. The goal is to understand what lies she is telling so that the message can be countered.

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Good point. Sounds like he handled it really well. But I think she knew she was losing the arguments. But I'm sure it won't stop her.

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Yep, that's why I brought up "What is a Woman?". It's not like Walsh was looking to get the trans surgeon or advocates to suddenly see the light and change their mind. He just wanted to make sure people could see what they were really saying and then shine truth on them to the uninformed. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

Aggie4Life02 said:

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CSTXAg92 said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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DarkBrandon0111 said:

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so much for equality of opportunity

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Not my job to educate your children, it's your job.


Equality of opportunity is a progressive myth.

Equality under law is the only type of equality we should be concerned with.

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Respectfully disagree.

As Americans, we should be expect and be guaranteed equal opportunity.

We shouldn't expect or guarantee equal outcomes.

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Who decides when it is equal and who is required to shoulder the burden of providing the equal opportunity?

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With a voucher system, the market (parents) would continuously evaluate equality (and quality) of education.

The market would vote with its vouchers. If a school's performance suffered, parents would stop sending their children to that school.

The burden of providing the equal opportunity (a strong education) would fall on school adminstrators and educators, no different than today. The difference is when the adminstrators and educators fail to deliver a quality education. In those situations, parents can move their children to schools that are providing a quality education.

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RiverAg 80 said:

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Since vouchers were first talked about I have gone back and forth on whether I like that idea.
I do not like tax dollars going to private schools. Vouchers going to the student rather than the school is semantics. The private school still gets benefits of tax dollars.
I like that students get a choice.
But if too many students start attending a particular school, does it "dummy down" that school? And if schools have discretion to pick and choose which students they accept, that can open Pandora's box for all sorts of problems.
My kids are grown so I have no dog in the fight. Other than the future of the State of Texas.

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If a top performing school can only hold 1000 kids, and 2000 apply, what happens? You know there won't be equal opportunity by lottery because AYden, KaYden, and JaYden White's parents sure won't put up with the prospect of their kids maybe losing and going to the hood. Jamaal and LaQueefa will just have to wait a few years for those schools to expand, a magic private school gets built, and magic teachers become available at those magic schools (I know, anyone can teach, so that's not a big deal).

School choice may well be "symbolism over substance".

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I actually know kids named Aiden, Kaydn, and Jayden.

Good students and scouts

CSTXAg92 said:

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C@LAg said:

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CSTXAg92 said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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DarkBrandon0111 said:

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so much for equality of opportunity

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Not my job to educate your children, it's your job.


Equality of opportunity is a progressive myth.

Equality under law is the only type of equality we should be concerned with.

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Respectfully disagree.

As Americans, we should be expect and be guaranteed equal opportunity.

We shouldn't expect or guarantee equal outcomes.

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let's agree to disagree.

you have no rights in the private arena to equal opportunity. nor should you, outside of those defined by law.

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I think this thread is about education, no? As Americans, we should all have an equal opportunity for education. Do you still want to disagree?

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I agree, but do you think the voucher system denies equality of opportunity? Seems to me that this gives poor smart kids the opportunities to go to schools for the first time at places that value their talents, instead of just what building is geographically the closest.

Definitely Not A Cop said:

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CSTXAg92 said:

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C@LAg said:

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CSTXAg92 said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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DarkBrandon0111 said:

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so much for equality of opportunity

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Not my job to educate your children, it's your job.


Equality of opportunity is a progressive myth.

Equality under law is the only type of equality we should be concerned with.

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Respectfully disagree.

As Americans, we should be expect and be guaranteed equal opportunity.

We shouldn't expect or guarantee equal outcomes.

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let's agree to disagree.

you have no rights in the private arena to equal opportunity. nor should you, outside of those defined by law.

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I think this thread is about education, no? As Americans, we should all have an equal opportunity for education. Do you still want to disagree?

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I agree, but do you think the voucher system denies equality of opportunity? Seems to me that this gives poor smart kids the opportunities to go to schools for the first time at places that value their talents, instead of just what building is geographically the closest.

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I certainly agree with your last sentence. But how that gets implemented is the problem. Obviously from this thread.

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This is supposed to be an instant fix.

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What?

School choice is going to work just like Section 8 vouchers.

Good private schools won't accept them or will increase their tuition to keep out undesirables. I would also be interested to see if this opens up good private schools to IEP's and 504's, which they usually try to steer away from. They aren't going to take on problem kids no matter how it's funded.

Public schools will still struggle since they won't have enough money to actually fund the schools.

Shady charter schools where the founder is arrested in 3-5 years for embezzling money will become even more prevalent. The standards for most charter schools are shocking. If you have one actual certified teacher in the entire building, you are better off then most. Charter schools for the most part are glorified day care centers.

Now where it could really make a difference is if you can also use the voucher to homeschool. $7,000 could really make a difference there, especially for families where it might be just out of financial grasp. There would need to be a lot more regulations around homeschooling to make sure you are teaching your kid and not just throwing them in a corner while you work from home.

CSTXAg92 said:

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C@LAg said:

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CSTXAg92 said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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DarkBrandon0111 said:

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so much for equality of opportunity

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Not my job to educate your children, it's your job.


Equality of opportunity is a progressive myth.

Equality under law is the only type of equality we should be concerned with.

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Respectfully disagree.

As Americans, we should be expect and be guaranteed equal opportunity.

We shouldn't expect or guarantee equal outcomes.

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let's agree to disagree.

you have no rights in the private arena to equal opportunity. nor should you, outside of those defined by law.

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I think this thread is about education, no? As Americans, we should all have an equal opportunity for education. Do you still want to disagree?

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I would. There's not a damn thing in the US Constitution about that.

Tanya 93 said:

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B-1 83 said:

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RiverAg 80 said:

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Since vouchers were first talked about I have gone back and forth on whether I like that idea.
I do not like tax dollars going to private schools. Vouchers going to the student rather than the school is semantics. The private school still gets benefits of tax dollars.
I like that students get a choice.
But if too many students start attending a particular school, does it "dummy down" that school? And if schools have discretion to pick and choose which students they accept, that can open Pandora's box for all sorts of problems.
My kids are grown so I have no dog in the fight. Other than the future of the State of Texas.

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If a top performing school can only hold 1000 kids, and 2000 apply, what happens? You know there won't be equal opportunity by lottery because AYden, KaYden, and JaYden White's parents sure won't put up with the prospect of their kids maybe losing and going to the hood. Jamaal and LaQueefa will just have to wait a few years for those schools to expand, a magic private school gets built, and magic teachers become available at those magic schools (I know, anyone can teach, so that's not a big deal).

School choice may well be "symbolism over substance".

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I actually know kids named Aiden, Kaydn, and Jayden.

Good students and scouts

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Were they Indian (dot, not feather), Korean, or Iraqi?

B-1 83 said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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B-1 83 said:

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RiverAg 80 said:

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Since vouchers were first talked about I have gone back and forth on whether I like that idea.
I do not like tax dollars going to private schools. Vouchers going to the student rather than the school is semantics. The private school still gets benefits of tax dollars.
I like that students get a choice.
But if too many students start attending a particular school, does it "dummy down" that school? And if schools have discretion to pick and choose which students they accept, that can open Pandora's box for all sorts of problems.
My kids are grown so I have no dog in the fight. Other than the future of the State of Texas.

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If a top performing school can only hold 1000 kids, and 2000 apply, what happens? You know there won't be equal opportunity by lottery because AYden, KaYden, and JaYden White's parents sure won't put up with the prospect of their kids maybe losing and going to the hood. Jamaal and LaQueefa will just have to wait a few years for those schools to expand, a magic private school gets built, and magic teachers become available at those magic schools (I know, anyone can teach, so that's not a big deal).

School choice may well be "symbolism over substance".

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I actually know kids named Aiden, Kaydn, and Jayden.

Good students and scouts

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Were they Indian (dot, not feather), Korean, or Iraqi?

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Whiter than me and Benny

Tanya 93 said:

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B-1 83 said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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B-1 83 said:

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RiverAg 80 said:

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Since vouchers were first talked about I have gone back and forth on whether I like that idea.
I do not like tax dollars going to private schools. Vouchers going to the student rather than the school is semantics. The private school still gets benefits of tax dollars.
I like that students get a choice.
But if too many students start attending a particular school, does it "dummy down" that school? And if schools have discretion to pick and choose which students they accept, that can open Pandora's box for all sorts of problems.
My kids are grown so I have no dog in the fight. Other than the future of the State of Texas.

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If a top performing school can only hold 1000 kids, and 2000 apply, what happens? You know there won't be equal opportunity by lottery because AYden, KaYden, and JaYden White's parents sure won't put up with the prospect of their kids maybe losing and going to the hood. Jamaal and LaQueefa will just have to wait a few years for those schools to expand, a magic private school gets built, and magic teachers become available at those magic schools (I know, anyone can teach, so that's not a big deal).

School choice may well be "symbolism over substance".

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I actually know kids named Aiden, Kaydn, and Jayden.

Good students and scouts

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Were they Indian (dot, not feather), Korean, or Iraqi?

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Whiter than me and Benny

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I suspected as much. I'm just prejudiced or racist….

Definitely Not A Cop said:

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CSTXAg92 said:

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C@LAg said:

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CSTXAg92 said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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DarkBrandon0111 said:

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so much for equality of opportunity

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Not my job to educate your children, it's your job.


Equality of opportunity is a progressive myth.

Equality under law is the only type of equality we should be concerned with.

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Respectfully disagree.

As Americans, we should be expect and be guaranteed equal opportunity.

We shouldn't expect or guarantee equal outcomes.

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let's agree to disagree.

you have no rights in the private arena to equal opportunity. nor should you, outside of those defined by law.

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I think this thread is about education, no? As Americans, we should all have an equal opportunity for education. Do you still want to disagree?

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I agree, but do you think the voucher system denies equality of opportunity? Seems to me that this gives poor smart kids the opportunities to go to schools for the first time at places that value their talents, instead of just what building is geographically the closest.

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Quite the opposite. I think a voucher system allows any family that values education the opportunity to put their kids in the best possible school they can, regardless of geography or districting.

I'm sure there are many, many facets to a voucher system that would need to be addressed, but over time (3-5 years?) I think market forces would create a much more accountable education system. Maybe even a more accountable student.

The regulations are the issue that concerns me about vouchers. My kids have been homeschooled for their entire education, and my oldest just started college. Texas is very homeschool-friendly with few regulations. Government money always comes with strings attached.

The Tebow bill even had some unforeseen consequences, as some organizations now require testing for homeschoolers, even though they're independent from the schools, because they follow UIL guidelines. I think 4-H did that, or maybe FFA. We just have to be careful what we wish for.

_mpaul said:

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CSTXAg92 said:

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C@LAg said:

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CSTXAg92 said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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DarkBrandon0111 said:

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so much for equality of opportunity

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Not my job to educate your children, it's your job.


Equality of opportunity is a progressive myth.

Equality under law is the only type of equality we should be concerned with.

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Respectfully disagree.

As Americans, we should be expect and be guaranteed equal opportunity.

We shouldn't expect or guarantee equal outcomes.

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let's agree to disagree.

you have no rights in the private arena to equal opportunity. nor should you, outside of those defined by law.

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I think this thread is about education, no? As Americans, we should all have an equal opportunity for education. Do you still want to disagree?

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I would. There's not a damn thing in the US Constitution about that.

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So why do we educate our kids today, en masse, in the public school system we currently have?

Maybe 15+ years ago, a popular Texags poster who was a long time, respected teach posted something like "it may be time to acknowledge that a free quality public education for all is a failure".

The fact is, in Texas, we already have the freedom to choose how our children receive an education. The choice is there. Period. You can choose public, private, or homeschool. We don't need a bill to give us a right that already exists.

Howdy, it is me! said:

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The fact is, in Texas, we already have the freedom to choose how our children receive an education. The choice is there. Period. You can choose public, private, or homeschool. We don't need a bill to give us a right that already exists.

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I think the big rub is I send 8k a year to the district then have a 20k private school bill on top of that. Which is not tax deductible by the way. I don't mind paying for the private school but I in no way want to support the brainwashing and in some cases abuse of kids in our public school.

Howdy, it is me! said:

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The fact is, in Texas, we already have the freedom to choose how our children receive an education. The choice is there. Period. You can choose public, private, or homeschool. We don't need a bill to give us a right that already exists.

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You bumped an almost 2 month old thread to post this drivel?

this bill isn't about a right to send your kids to private school, but I am guessing you already knew that. checking your posting history, I'd say its pretty clear you have a vested interest in public schools.

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If vouchers can be used for public schools ONLY, then I agree with Ragoo. But if the vouchers can be used at private schools then I have a problem with that as I have already stated.

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Why? It's my tax money that the state has earmarked for educating my kids via public school. If my kids are not using any of the resources of public school, why should my tax dollars subsidize bloated bureacracy and educational incompetence foisted on the general population?

It's the most recent post I could find regarding this subject and with voting now underway, I think it should be continued to be discussed. It's likely not going to be seen on many ballots, but it's still worth considering when voting for those representing us. Unfortunately, I believe many don't understand the choice is already theirs and just see $$ not realizing the strings dangling them.