Because he's trying to buy votes for November.
Why is Biden making me pay for Melissa's Gender Studies degree?
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TxAg2009WC said:Ok, why don't you explain to me. How are you, as an individual taxpayer, more harmed by the feds not collecting 10k from a student than from them not collecting 3.6k per child per year from someone else? Seriously, if you think this is some distinction that actually has a meaningful difference, why don't you explain it? You chose to have kids, why the hell am I paying for something like 50k in tax write-offs per kid, your kid's schooling, etc. etc.? Isn't not paying for your own offspring bum behavior?Tramp96 said:You are equating a tax credit to a debt payoff?TxAg2009WC said:Why have I been paying for your children that you chose to have? Quite hypocritical to take 3.6k per year per child in welfare and then whine about a one-time student loan write-off.infinity ag said:
Very poor populist decision by Biden. If you get a loan, you frikkin pay for it yourself. Why is Biden penalizing the ones who were responsible?
You are saying there is no difference between a tax credit, codified by law, that amounts to $3,600 per year and a debt payoff of $10,000, that wasn't codified by law?
That's the problem. You think there is no difference between a tax credit and a taxpayer funded redistribution of a debt the borrower agreed to pay. You think it's all government's money...whereas in reality, only the latter is truly owed to the government.
Because the $3.6K IS NOT OWED TO THE FEDS. It is not their money. They have no right to it.
TxAg2009WC said:
And? That sounds like a problem with our tax code. Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and let me stop paying to feed and educate your kids for you?
You aren't paying a effin penny to pay my way. The tax code inequities aren't working in my favor that's for damn sure.
People who went into the military for the hazelwood loans - what about them? Or the ones that died in Afghanistan who never had a chance to spend their hazelwood benefits? Those kids were suckers in your eyes.Neehau said:
This is one of the greatest government actions since Johnson's Great Society.
Do the right thing. And get screwed.
They don’t care about the people who did the right thing… https://t.co/Q6rc69nPd5
— Rob Schneider (@RobSchneider) August 24, 2022
Notwithstanding any number of points on which you and I would disagree…..no credible finance organization that I would be comfortable utilizing is seeking gender studies grads "in high demand"Neehau said:No I got it. Gender Studies degrees are actually in high demand, especially in finance/real estate. The entire premise of the thread, including the title, is a large talking point creating circular discussion (like ours) where one party is misled(you) and the other party (me) is exercising patience with the first party.Tramp96 said:You're still not understanding...further validating my claim that you haven't demonstrated very good reading comprehension skills.Neehau said:I do indeed read and review yours and others posters comments. I normally disagree with them. That isn't a lack of comprehension. I think most of the opinions here are just as wrong as when I see them originate on Fox News or other sources of far right wing propaganda (and then they are regurgitated here to stoke Trumplican fury) . They fail the truth test so I disregard them when I see them.Tramp96 said:I hope they have better reading comprehension skills than you have demonstrated.Neehau said:
I disagree with the premise of this thread.
The smartest kids I have hired have either been liberal arts undergrads or graduated directly from one of the liberals arts colleges (Williams, Amherst etc).
No one said they weren't smart.
The issue is they are pursuing extremely expensive degrees that do not provide enough return on investment to justify the cost. On average.
We are talking about degree programs that cannot meet the return on investment that is needed to justify paying for them.
You then go down a non sequitur path about your hires from these programs being some of the smartest people you've hired. That's great. But again, NO ONE was talking about their intelligence or their ability to meet your needs as an employer.
The gist of this discussion is should people be let off their debt burden for taking out exorbitant loans to pay ungodly high private tuition for degree programs that do not lend themselves to the relative gainful employment needed to meet the debt obligation incurred.
Tramp96 said:Gender studies represents the entirety of social science majors that will never provide the return on investment that would be needed to pay off the debt these students are accumulating.DarkBrandon0111 said:
Why is gender studies the only degree talked about by conservatives? Barely anyone takes it.
Worse yet, these students are going to the most expensive colleges and universities for these humanities degrees that in the end would have cost them pennies on the dollar at a public university. There is no difference in the quality of the programs in these areas between a private and public school. But no one is getting this message to these students while they are in high school like they should be.
They read the US News & World Report rankings, and it gives them this false idea that because this uber exclusive private school is ranked in the top 50, then any degree in any field from that institution must be incredibly valuable, and thus they choose these worthless programs to pursue, graduate with more debt than the cost of the average home in DFW, and have a degree that will not get them gainful employment. So what do they do? Go to graduate school of course, accumulate even more debt, and hope like hell they can eventually teach this useless curriculum at a college or university because that is the only route left for employment. But an assistant professor salary at $50-60K on average (more at big public, less at CC's) isn't exactly the level of salary they will need to pay of $200k-$400k of total debt.
People...tell your kids to go to public institutions. Even though their tuition is now ridiculously high as well, it's still pennies relatively speaking. Let the established wealthy have their legacy private schools...it's not like your kid is going to break the barrier and become a member of their uber-elite societies just by attending the same school.
The debt isn't worth it. Not even close.
Good explanation.
The only thing I would add is you can go to a fancy private elite school if you are going to do a degree that can bring you the big bucks. Example is Computer Science. Or Medicine. Or Law. Or other branches of Engineering that I am not familiar with. Check salaries of fresh grads.
If a kid gets into MIT for Computer Science, I think it is okay to shell out the $75k/year to go there. There are long term returns from going there, you develop a good network that opens other doors. In those situations I would not go to a local public school to save money.
Because the student loan lobby was tired or gender studies majors defaulting on loans. So they had Uncle Sam nail them out.
So that he continues to get votes from those that like him touching little kids.infinity ag said:
Very poor populist decision by Biden. If you get a loan, you frikkin pay for it yourself. Why is Biden penalizing the ones who were responsible?
Clearly, its working.
Then why can't they pay their own loans?Neehau said:Well, they are getting a much higher return on investment, on average, then you may be giving them credit for.Tramp96 said:I hope they have better reading comprehension skills than you have demonstrated.Neehau said:
I disagree with the premise of this thread.
The smartest kids I have hired have either been liberal arts undergrads or graduated directly from one of the liberals arts colleges (Williams, Amherst etc).
No one said they weren't smart.
The issue is they are pursuing extremely expensive degrees that do not provide enough return on investment to justify the cost. On average.
Neehau said:
This is one of the greatest government actions since Johnson's Great Society.
So is this how you conduct your business? Make commitments and then back out or convince others to back out of commitments. People that go back on their word or commitments lack character and cannot be relied upon.
Slicer97 said:
Because his administration is comprised of a bunch of commies.
You're right that his admin is full of communists, but this isn't even that ideologically pure. This is using the treasury to buy votes. Now, the Republicans will challenge this order, things will drag out in court, and the democrats will hit the campaign trail with a "get out and vote Democrat or your loans won't be canceled" message.
It's very simple. Use the money of your enemy to buy votes from those your enemy despises. Increase the divide between the populace and gain more power in the division.
Not anywhere close to everyone else. The same productive, tax-paying citizens get the bill for yet another vote-buying handout to the Dem base. The truck driver that didn't go to college pays for someone else's college. Those who took loans and paid them, now pay someone else's loan. And then there's me, who worked full-time to get through college without a loan and paid for my kids' college (c/o '07) and now get to pay for someone else's college as well.bictegravir said:
Why do illegals, poor people get all these benefits but people who went to college and are working dont? I hate Biden and have no control over this but I am not gonna be upset about this everyone else gets to benefit why not working people with loans?
As with most welfare and socialism, the vast majority get hosed so a small percentage get a hand-out.
How is everybody but you "misled"? You want socialism, we don't. That doesn't make you right, especially until and unless you can show where socialism has led a society to wealth and prosperity.Neehau said:No I got it. Gender Studies degrees are actually in high demand, especially in finance/real estate. The entire premise of the thread, including the title, is a large talking point creating circular discussion (like ours) where one party is misled(you) and the other party (me) is exercising patience with the first party.Tramp96 said:You're still not understanding...further validating my claim that you haven't demonstrated very good reading comprehension skills.Neehau said:I do indeed read and review yours and others posters comments. I normally disagree with them. That isn't a lack of comprehension. I think most of the opinions here are just as wrong as when I see them originate on Fox News or other sources of far right wing propaganda (and then they are regurgitated here to stoke Trumplican fury) . They fail the truth test so I disregard them when I see them.Tramp96 said:I hope they have better reading comprehension skills than you have demonstrated.Neehau said:
I disagree with the premise of this thread.
The smartest kids I have hired have either been liberal arts undergrads or graduated directly from one of the liberals arts colleges (Williams, Amherst etc).
No one said they weren't smart.
The issue is they are pursuing extremely expensive degrees that do not provide enough return on investment to justify the cost. On average.
We are talking about degree programs that cannot meet the return on investment that is needed to justify paying for them.
You then go down a non sequitur path about your hires from these programs being some of the smartest people you've hired. That's great. But again, NO ONE was talking about their intelligence or their ability to meet your needs as an employer.
The gist of this discussion is should people be let off their debt burden for taking out exorbitant loans to pay ungodly high private tuition for degree programs that do not lend themselves to the relative gainful employment needed to meet the debt obligation incurred.
No, you see: enslavement is ok as long as it is only partial in nature and the left is controlling the enslavement and subjugation of the productive labors of the population for their own selfish political purposes. That sort of labor exploitation and control of liberty is just fine.
Deputy Travis Junior said:Slicer97 said:
Because his administration is comprised of a bunch of commies.
You're right that his admin is full of communists, but this isn't even that ideologically pure. This is using the treasury to buy votes. Now, the Republicans will challenge this order, things will drag out in court, and the democrats will hit the campaign trail with a "get out and vote Democrat or your loans won't be canceled" message.
We need to go ahead and fail as a country if you're right. If a majority of "college educated people" can't understand how this is a terrible thing to do we have already lost.
Our country has a long history of bringing the wrong tool to the wrong job. I get that there are plenty of kids, raised in some rough situations, who were raised in very different lives than some poster spouting off about socialism from the comfort of his suburban living room. We should be the part of the solution and find ways to help kids who are superheros in that they are busting their ass to get out of generational poverty. I want to help them. But big government tends to check boxes, create some sort of one size fits all solution or make a move just to win votes. The answer should involve helping folks study in areas in high demand so it is helpful to them and the economy. Instead, the system sells them pipe dreams of sexy sounding majors and saddles them with debt. We need smaller and smarter govt.
Nice class-warfare opening, komrade. Let us know how hard we have to have had it growing up before we can correctly identify welfare and socialism now. If you have worked your way into having a living room in the suburbs, no matter what it took to get there, you have no room to talk. Got it.Bearpitbull said:
Our country has a long history of bringing the wrong tool to the wrong job. I get that there are plenty of kids, raised in some rough situations, who were raised in very different lives than some poster spouting off about socialism from the comfort of his suburban living room. We should be the part of the solution and find ways to help kids who are superheros in that they are busting their ass to get out of generational poverty. I want to help them. But big government tends to check boxes, create some sort of one size fits all solution or make a move just to win votes. The answer should involve helping folks study in areas in high demand so it is helpful to them and the economy. Instead, the system sells them pipe dreams of sexy sounding majors and saddles them with debt. We need smaller and smarter govt.
Neehau said:No I got it. Gender Studies degrees are actually in high demand, especially in finance/real estate. The entire premise of the thread, including the title, is a large talking point creating circular discussion (like ours) where one party is misled(you) and the other party (me) is exercising patience with the first party.Tramp96 said:You're still not understanding...further validating my claim that you haven't demonstrated very good reading comprehension skills.Neehau said:I do indeed read and review yours and others posters comments. I normally disagree with them. That isn't a lack of comprehension. I think most of the opinions here are just as wrong as when I see them originate on Fox News or other sources of far right wing propaganda (and then they are regurgitated here to stoke Trumplican fury) . They fail the truth test so I disregard them when I see them.Tramp96 said:I hope they have better reading comprehension skills than you have demonstrated.Neehau said:
I disagree with the premise of this thread.
The smartest kids I have hired have either been liberal arts undergrads or graduated directly from one of the liberals arts colleges (Williams, Amherst etc).
No one said they weren't smart.
The issue is they are pursuing extremely expensive degrees that do not provide enough return on investment to justify the cost. On average.
We are talking about degree programs that cannot meet the return on investment that is needed to justify paying for them.
You then go down a non sequitur path about your hires from these programs being some of the smartest people you've hired. That's great. But again, NO ONE was talking about their intelligence or their ability to meet your needs as an employer.
The gist of this discussion is should people be let off their debt burden for taking out exorbitant loans to pay ungodly high private tuition for degree programs that do not lend themselves to the relative gainful employment needed to meet the debt obligation incurred.
I'm in finance and hire a lot of people. Gender Studies resumes go in the garbage where they belong.
Gender studies resumes are filtered by HR; I never see them at all.Ol_Ag_02 said:Neehau said:No I got it. Gender Studies degrees are actually in high demand, especially in finance/real estate. The entire premise of the thread, including the title, is a large talking point creating circular discussion (like ours) where one party is misled(you) and the other party (me) is exercising patience with the first party.Tramp96 said:You're still not understanding...further validating my claim that you haven't demonstrated very good reading comprehension skills.Neehau said:I do indeed read and review yours and others posters comments. I normally disagree with them. That isn't a lack of comprehension. I think most of the opinions here are just as wrong as when I see them originate on Fox News or other sources of far right wing propaganda (and then they are regurgitated here to stoke Trumplican fury) . They fail the truth test so I disregard them when I see them.Tramp96 said:I hope they have better reading comprehension skills than you have demonstrated.Neehau said:
I disagree with the premise of this thread.
The smartest kids I have hired have either been liberal arts undergrads or graduated directly from one of the liberals arts colleges (Williams, Amherst etc).
No one said they weren't smart.
The issue is they are pursuing extremely expensive degrees that do not provide enough return on investment to justify the cost. On average.
We are talking about degree programs that cannot meet the return on investment that is needed to justify paying for them.
You then go down a non sequitur path about your hires from these programs being some of the smartest people you've hired. That's great. But again, NO ONE was talking about their intelligence or their ability to meet your needs as an employer.
The gist of this discussion is should people be let off their debt burden for taking out exorbitant loans to pay ungodly high private tuition for degree programs that do not lend themselves to the relative gainful employment needed to meet the debt obligation incurred.
I'm in finance and hire a lot of people. Gender Studies resumes go in the garbage where they belong.
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Student Caison Crawford, 20, at the University of Illinois at Chicago on Aug. 24, 2022.
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