Pookers said:

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Adverse Event said:

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Shagga said:

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This is one man's and a few posters conclusions on "the science". I remember when "the science" said that eggs and cholesterol were detrimental to health. I also remember when "the science" said that red wine in moderation had beneficial effects. I've also seen "the science" discussing the negative effects of caffeine and others talking about how helpful it is. Why should I believe this guy?

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Maybe do the hard work and read whose funding the studies cited and which data was cherry picked and run up the mass media flagpole.
1. Cholesterol: Big Sugar, and now Big Soy/Bug
2. Wine: Big Alcohol,
3. Caffeine: I don't know, but I have seen a lot of similar anecdotal reports of superb benefits of reduction or elimination of caffeine similar to alcohol.

Don't trust, verify. That's the way my friend.

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And then I'm sure there's countless studies that show the opposite.

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my grandfather drank coffee everyday all day from age 18 in the navy until the day he died at age 92.

The Collective said:

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Sea Speed said:

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Alcohol free for 3+ years and it was one of the best choices of my life.

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I am right at 9 months, and it is one of the best decisions of my life.

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I am happy for you both but unless you had a drinking problem or perhaps were overweight and stopping helped to lose weight why was it a good decision? I am seriously curious because I am causal drinker, not overweight, and workout a lot so I have never seen a reason to stop.

so, curious, what are the basic findings then, of impacts of say 1-2 drinks 3-4 nights a week?

i always figured that was so low it woulnt be much of a big deal but if data says that's wrong, i'd love to know more about it.

F16:
There have been studies about detrimental impacts to health as a result of eating red meat. After learning more about these impacts, would you support restrictions to meat consumption/production/access?

Same question for everything else someone has said was not too good for you.

"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." -LBJ

Highly encourage you to listen to that podcast. He talks directly to, and presents data for, the casual but chronic drinker for the majority of the show.

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Just curious if anyone that listened made any notes on the part about hangover mitigation??

Asking for a friend.

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From what I remember…

• 2 cups water for every cup alcohol
• Stick to beer, vodka, gin, or whiskey
• Avoid anti inflammatories
• Make sure you have a robust gut micro biome
• Get as much sleep as you can

Ragoo said:

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Pookers said:

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Adverse Event said:

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Shagga said:

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This is one man's and a few posters conclusions on "the science". I remember when "the science" said that eggs and cholesterol were detrimental to health. I also remember when "the science" said that red wine in moderation had beneficial effects. I've also seen "the science" discussing the negative effects of caffeine and others talking about how helpful it is. Why should I believe this guy?

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Maybe do the hard work and read whose funding the studies cited and which data was cherry picked and run up the mass media flagpole.
1. Cholesterol: Big Sugar, and now Big Soy/Bug
2. Wine: Big Alcohol,
3. Caffeine: I don't know, but I have seen a lot of similar anecdotal reports of superb benefits of reduction or elimination of caffeine similar to alcohol.

Don't trust, verify. That's the way my friend.

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And then I'm sure there's countless studies that show the opposite.

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my grandfather drank coffee everyday all day from age 18 in the navy until the day he died at age 92.

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I bet he never washed out his mug either, I've been told the thicker the sludge in the mug the higher the seniority.

Again, I mentioned cherry picked data and sensationalist news reporting, I haven't personally perused the research yet.

Once I got into my 40s, I found where 1-2 drinks was still enough to disrupt my sleep, and whether it was the alcohol, disrupted sleep, or both, I would feel some effect the next day. So I pretty much stopped entirely except for parties

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F16:
There have been studies about detrimental impacts to health as a result of eating red meat. After learning more about these impacts, would you support restrictions to meat consumption/production/access?

Same question for everything else someone has said was not too good for you.

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*Looks at research funding*

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paid for by Bill gates foundation

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*throws in trash*

Days later:
*Watches congress sign "save the children act" which eliminates beef from the supply chain for the environment*

*starts making molotov cocktails*

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"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." -LBJ

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I think it was Babe Ruth who said that.

My BIL and dad both got Whoop watches that basically showed the same data no matter the alcohol, sleep disruption via tossing/turning/sweats etc.

BIL basically never drinks during the NFL season anyways (punter) for the decade or so he's been playing. There's a pretty clear performance decline at that level.

BCG Disciple said:

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What does a glass of wine do? Would LOVE to present my health conscious wife with some hard scientific data of the poison of her glass a night routine. I would pay for my season tickets if I could provide the right level of knowledge and guilt, if it's delicately intertwined in our health based discussions over the course of a few months. May take me giving up drinking (or hiding it) to show her my commitment.

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ONE glass a night? That doesn't seem like an issue.

And how is 12 bottles of wine forgone going to pay for season tickets? Is she mowing back Screaming Eagle??

I am 42 and I finally see how alcohol affects me negatively. When I drink a few beers, I can barely stay away past 8:30, and I have no patience. All I want to do is go to sleep instead of play with my kids or stay up late just being present with my family. I realize that alcohol does me no good but stress makes me crater every time. Still just being conscious of how crappy it makes me feel does help me avoid it a bit for sometimes a week or two.

Ragoo said:

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Pookers said:

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Adverse Event said:

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Shagga said:

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This is one man's and a few posters conclusions on "the science". I remember when "the science" said that eggs and cholesterol were detrimental to health. I also remember when "the science" said that red wine in moderation had beneficial effects. I've also seen "the science" discussing the negative effects of caffeine and others talking about how helpful it is. Why should I believe this guy?

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Maybe do the hard work and read whose funding the studies cited and which data was cherry picked and run up the mass media flagpole.
1. Cholesterol: Big Sugar, and now Big Soy/Bug
2. Wine: Big Alcohol,
3. Caffeine: I don't know, but I have seen a lot of similar anecdotal reports of superb benefits of reduction or elimination of caffeine similar to alcohol.

Don't trust, verify. That's the way my friend.

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And then I'm sure there's countless studies that show the opposite.

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my grandfather drank coffee everyday all day from age 18 in the navy until the day he died at age 92.

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And mine dipped tobacco almost constantly, from the time he was about 12 years old until he was on his death bed at 97. And pounded Dr Peppers his whole life.

Beer…

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F16:
There have been studies about detrimental impacts to health as a result of eating red meat. After learning more about these impacts, would you support restrictions to meat consumption/production/access?

Same question for everything else someone has said was not too good for you.

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I would argue that eating red meat isn't a sin. Drinking is.

You mad because on this subject I am skeptical of your claims and I am unwilling to devote any additional time to it? This is a world of limited resources and I choose to spend my time on subjects that I consider worthy of my attention.

I don't disagree with you on the affects of alcohol, but let's put the same scrutiny on social media and our society, specifically women and teenage girls. It is literally ruining kids lives. More teenagers are being ruined by it than alcohol.

-TK

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BCG Disciple said:

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What does a glass of wine do? Would LOVE to present my health conscious wife with some hard scientific data of the poison of her glass a night routine. I would pay for my season tickets if I could provide the right level of knowledge and guilt, if it's delicately intertwined in our health based discussions over the course of a few months. May take me giving up drinking (or hiding it) to show her my commitment.

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ONE glass a night? That doesn't seem like an issue.

And how is 12 bottles of wine forgone going to pay for season tickets? Is she mowing back Screaming Eagle??

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3 glasses per bottle. Bottles ranging anywhere from $18-50 and probably averaging at $30. 120 bottles a year is $3600. Not to mention what doesn't get finished because it doesn't taste as good or what is spent when we go out to dinner. I put the number at $5k. Maybe overshooting

Just keep outsourcing your curiosity and claiming unshakable skepticism.

BCG Disciple said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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BCG Disciple said:

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What does a glass of wine do? Would LOVE to present my health conscious wife with some hard scientific data of the poison of her glass a night routine. I would pay for my season tickets if I could provide the right level of knowledge and guilt, if it's delicately intertwined in our health based discussions over the course of a few months. May take me giving up drinking (or hiding it) to show her my commitment.

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ONE glass a night? That doesn't seem like an issue.

And how is 12 bottles of wine forgone going to pay for season tickets? Is she mowing back Screaming Eagle??

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3 glasses per bottle. Bottles ranging anywhere from $18-50 and probably averaging at $30. 120 bottles a year is $3600. Not to mention what doesn't get finished because it doesn't taste as good or what is spent when we go out to dinner. I put the number at $5k. Maybe overshooting

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Go visit the bourbon thread. Dudes spend that much in 2 months.

Terence Kitchens said:

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I don't disagree with you on the affects of alcohol, but let's put the same scrutiny on social media and our society, specifically women and teenage girls. It is literally ruining kids lives. More teenagers are being ruined by it than alcohol.

-TK

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There's a lot to unpack there. What do you suggest and do you think we should start a separate discussion on the topic instead of this one talking about alcohol?

BCG Disciple said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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BCG Disciple said:

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What does a glass of wine do? Would LOVE to present my health conscious wife with some hard scientific data of the poison of her glass a night routine. I would pay for my season tickets if I could provide the right level of knowledge and guilt, if it's delicately intertwined in our health based discussions over the course of a few months. May take me giving up drinking (or hiding it) to show her my commitment.

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ONE glass a night? That doesn't seem like an issue.

And how is 12 bottles of wine forgone going to pay for season tickets? Is she mowing back Screaming Eagle??

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3 glasses per bottle. Bottles ranging anywhere from $18-50 and probably averaging at $30. 120 bottles a year is $3600. Not to mention what doesn't get finished because it doesn't taste as good or what is spent when we go out to dinner. I put the number at $5k. Maybe overshooting

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I've known a client who's wife, at the time ex wife, drank herself to death. Essentially continually abusing the bottle until she kept falling down and getting hurt, until one night she didn't get up.

Man... the hard part of that conversation was the feeling of RELIEF that she had passed from her exHusband.. i can't imagine getting to the point of after continually picking up a spouse off the floor or multiple emergency trip visits just WISHING the person would finally drink enough to get it over with.


We had an appliance technician that worked our area that drank himself to death as well out here in CO, really caused a lot of back breaking work to try to find someone to fill the shoes and we had zero refrigeration techs for around a year during that time.

Couple of high school friends that wrecked and mangled themselves after getting drunk behind the wheel or died.

And regarding historical alcohol consumption, the alcohol content was primarily around 2-3% due to the type of natural yeasts and inability to distill until recently. Our bodies have yet to evolve to the high alcohol content of most beers and wines and liquors. Surprisingly this sounds like the common refrain from the anti-pot crusaders "pots never been this potent" crowd.