Ukraine war veterans on how Kiev plundered US aid

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https://thegrayzone.com/2022/08/18/ukraine-veterans-us-aid-soldiers-war/


"The weapons are stolen, the humanitarian aid is stolen, and we have no idea where the billions sent to this country have gone," a Ukrainian complained to The Grayzone.




Last month, Ukraine's parliamentarians voted to give themselves a 70% salary increase. Filings indicate the raise was enabled and encouraged by the billions of dollars and euros of aid that have poured in from the US and Europe.
DannyDuberstein
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We knew this. We are basically just backing our corrupt scumbag in this fight, because he's OUR scumbag
Squadron7
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I know where 10% of it went.
samurai_science
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I am shocked that Democrats and some Republicans stole 60 Billion from our Middle Class and this happened. I am so very shocked.
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"Everyone is lying": US doctor describes shocking corruption

Samantha Morris*, a doctor from Maine, went to Ukraine in May to try to help provide medical training for soldiers. "The first time I crossed the border from Poland, I had to hide my medical supplies under mattresses and diapers to prevent them from being stolen," she said. "The border guards on the Ukrainian side will just take things, and tell you, 'we need this for our war,' but then, they just steal the items and resell them. Honestly, if you don't hand-deliver donations to the intended recipients, the items will never reach them."
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When even Wikipedia is calling your source out for its far left loonytoons bend, you may want to reconsider your sources.

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The Grayzone is a left-wing[1] to far-left[11] news website and blog[15] founded and edited by American journalist Max Blumenthal.[12] The website, initially founded as The Grayzone Project,[16] was affiliated with AlterNet before becoming independent in early 2018.[2] The website's news content is generally considered to be fringe.[2][17][18][19] It is known for misleading reporting[20] and sympathetic coverage of authoritarian regimes,[2][13][21] in addition to its denial of the Uyghur genocide.[25] The Grayzone has spread conspiracy theories about Venezuela, Xinjiang, Syria, and other regions.[26][27]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone

Y'all hate Ukraine. We get it.
Proc92
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Sshhhh, slava ukraini!
samurai_science
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Waffledynamics said:

When even Wikipedia is calling your source out for its far left loonytoons bend, you may want to reconsider your sources.

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The Grayzone is a left-wing[1] to far-left[11] news website and blog[15] founded and edited by American journalist Max Blumenthal.[12] The website, initially founded as The Grayzone Project,[16] was affiliated with AlterNet before becoming independent in early 2018.[2] The website's news content is generally considered to be fringe.[2][17][18][19] It is known for misleading reporting[20] and sympathetic coverage of authoritarian regimes,[2][13][21] in addition to its denial of the Uyghur genocide.[25] The Grayzone has spread conspiracy theories about Venezuela, Xinjiang, Syria, and other regions.[26][27]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone

Y'all hate Ukraine. We get it.
LOL, we "hate Ukraine".

No, I hate the left in this country, and I don't care about the Ukraine or Russia. The corruption is real.


You ignore the other dozens of reports and news originations reporting the same corruption. But you do you.
Stat Monitor Repairman
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US is financing both sides of this war.

As usual.
Waffledynamics
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samurai_science said:

Waffledynamics said:

When even Wikipedia is calling your source out for its far left loonytoons bend, you may want to reconsider your sources.

Quote:

The Grayzone is a left-wing[1] to far-left[11] news website and blog[15] founded and edited by American journalist Max Blumenthal.[12] The website, initially founded as The Grayzone Project,[16] was affiliated with AlterNet before becoming independent in early 2018.[2] The website's news content is generally considered to be fringe.[2][17][18][19] It is known for misleading reporting[20] and sympathetic coverage of authoritarian regimes,[2][13][21] in addition to its denial of the Uyghur genocide.[25] The Grayzone has spread conspiracy theories about Venezuela, Xinjiang, Syria, and other regions.[26][27]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone

Y'all hate Ukraine. We get it.
LOL, we "hate Ukraine".

No, I hate the left in this country, and I don't care about the Ukraine or Russia. The corruption is real.


You ignore the other dozens of reports and news originations reporting the same corruption. But you do you.
You hate the left so much that you gobble up a left wing rag's take on Ukraine.

Literally every one of these threads results in the anti-Ukraine people spouting nonsense, getting their heads caved in, and then running away. How many more of these threads have to be made?
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samurai_science said:

I am shocked that Democrats and some Republicans stole 60 Billion from our Middle Class and this happened. I am so very shocked.

They didn't steal from the middle class. It's so much worse than that.

They stole from people who aren't currently old enough to vote, and people who aren't even born yet.

This should be an offense punishable by death. It's treason to steal our children's futures.
samurai_science
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If I get time later I will find the 30 or so articles I have seen over the last few months and add them to this thread. But "I hate Ukraine". I love reading that, it is funny.
samurai_science
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Waffledynamics said:

samurai_science said:

Waffledynamics said:

When even Wikipedia is calling your source out for its far left loonytoons bend, you may want to reconsider your sources.

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The Grayzone is a left-wing[1] to far-left[11] news website and blog[15] founded and edited by American journalist Max Blumenthal.[12] The website, initially founded as The Grayzone Project,[16] was affiliated with AlterNet before becoming independent in early 2018.[2] The website's news content is generally considered to be fringe.[2][17][18][19] It is known for misleading reporting[20] and sympathetic coverage of authoritarian regimes,[2][13][21] in addition to its denial of the Uyghur genocide.[25] The Grayzone has spread conspiracy theories about Venezuela, Xinjiang, Syria, and other regions.[26][27]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone

Y'all hate Ukraine. We get it.
LOL, we "hate Ukraine".

No, I hate the left in this country, and I don't care about the Ukraine or Russia. The corruption is real.


You ignore the other dozens of reports and news originations reporting the same corruption. But you do you.
You hate the left so much that you gobble up a left wing rag's take on Ukraine.

Literally every one of these threads results in the anti-Ukraine people spouting nonsense, getting their heads caved in, and then running away. How many more of these threads have to be made?
We post articles about corruption, you don't like it. We get it. Just like we posted proof about Neo Nazis being integrated in the Ukraine Armed Forces....but....that truth is too inconvenient. So carry on.....but hopefully American Tax Payers do bear not more of this burden and corruption.
JJxvi
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"Articles"
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Squadron7 said:

I know where 10% of it went.
Yep. This is intentional. It's theft.
Waffledynamics
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samurai_science said:

If I get time later I will find the 30 or so articles I have seen over the last few months and add them to this thread. But "I hate Ukraine". I love reading that, it is funny.
Save them. I don't care to read bizarre, fringe propaganda required to craft a carefully constructed denial of reality.

If all of the aid was getting stolen, Ukraine would be Russia by now. You know it. I know it.
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Waffledynamics said:

samurai_science said:

Waffledynamics said:

When even Wikipedia is calling your source out for its far left loonytoons bend, you may want to reconsider your sources.

Quote:

The Grayzone is a left-wing[1] to far-left[11] news website and blog[15] founded and edited by American journalist Max Blumenthal.[12] The website, initially founded as The Grayzone Project,[16] was affiliated with AlterNet before becoming independent in early 2018.[2] The website's news content is generally considered to be fringe.[2][17][18][19] It is known for misleading reporting[20] and sympathetic coverage of authoritarian regimes,[2][13][21] in addition to its denial of the Uyghur genocide.[25] The Grayzone has spread conspiracy theories about Venezuela, Xinjiang, Syria, and other regions.[26][27]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone

Y'all hate Ukraine. We get it.
LOL, we "hate Ukraine".

No, I hate the left in this country, and I don't care about the Ukraine or Russia. The corruption is real.


You ignore the other dozens of reports and news originations reporting the same corruption. But you do you.
You hate the left so much that you gobble up a left wing rag's take on Ukraine.

Literally every one of these threads results in the anti-Ukraine people spouting nonsense, getting their heads caved in, and then running away. How many more of these threads have to be made?
Why do you LOVE Ukraine so much?
Proc92
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At least Paul bremer had auditors, for all the good they did. Oversight?
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aggiebq03+ said:

samurai_science said:

I am shocked that Democrats and some Republicans stole 60 Billion from our Middle Class and this happened. I am so very shocked.

They didn't steal from the middle class. It's so much worse than that.

They stole from people who aren't currently old enough to vote, and people who aren't even born yet.

This should be an offense punishable by death. It's treason to steal our children's futures.
Stealing from our future to fund a country that does not align with us that much and has not done so in the past, pure brilliance by our governement
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Ag with kids said:

Waffledynamics said:

samurai_science said:

Waffledynamics said:

When even Wikipedia is calling your source out for its far left loonytoons bend, you may want to reconsider your sources.

Quote:

The Grayzone is a left-wing[1] to far-left[11] news website and blog[15] founded and edited by American journalist Max Blumenthal.[12] The website, initially founded as The Grayzone Project,[16] was affiliated with AlterNet before becoming independent in early 2018.[2] The website's news content is generally considered to be fringe.[2][17][18][19] It is known for misleading reporting[20] and sympathetic coverage of authoritarian regimes,[2][13][21] in addition to its denial of the Uyghur genocide.[25] The Grayzone has spread conspiracy theories about Venezuela, Xinjiang, Syria, and other regions.[26][27]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone

Y'all hate Ukraine. We get it.
LOL, we "hate Ukraine".

No, I hate the left in this country, and I don't care about the Ukraine or Russia. The corruption is real.


You ignore the other dozens of reports and news originations reporting the same corruption. But you do you.
You hate the left so much that you gobble up a left wing rag's take on Ukraine.

Literally every one of these threads results in the anti-Ukraine people spouting nonsense, getting their heads caved in, and then running away. How many more of these threads have to be made?
Why do you LOVE Ukraine so much?
Lots of reasons. I know some Ukrainians. More importantly, though, they're a sovereign nation being brutalized by a much larger country that pillages, rapes, loots, and murders its way to victory. The citizenry and armed forces have proven they are willing to fight for their country. That small country is also fighting back against an attempt to grow more powerful by a resurgent Eastern Bloc headed by jackboot authoritarians and neo-Soviets.
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DannyDuberstein said:

We knew this. We are basically just backing our corrupt scumbag in this fight, because he's OUR scumbag
Think of Syngman Rhee and South Korea.
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I hope Ukraine wins but thinking a lot of this aid and money isn't getting embezzled is ignorant beyond belief. It's SOP for events like this. Always has been; always will be. It's why Congress didn't want to put any oversight into Ukraine funding.

I will also point out that we just authorized another $775M for Ukraine yesterday. Maybe half of that will end up in the right hands? Unfortunately, we will never know.
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The other disturbing thing about all this is the Obama admin and their "more flexibility" after 2012. Biden all but greenlighted Putin's invasion twice before it happened in the guise of a "dementia stumblebum" speech kind of manner.

Its hard not to see a connection and causality in the continual Obama-Biden involvement with Urkaine matters and especially in backdrop of corrupt alphabet meddling.
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Waffledynamics said:

Ag with kids said:

Waffledynamics said:

samurai_science said:

Waffledynamics said:

When even Wikipedia is calling your source out for its far left loonytoons bend, you may want to reconsider your sources.

Quote:

The Grayzone is a left-wing[1] to far-left[11] news website and blog[15] founded and edited by American journalist Max Blumenthal.[12] The website, initially founded as The Grayzone Project,[16] was affiliated with AlterNet before becoming independent in early 2018.[2] The website's news content is generally considered to be fringe.[2][17][18][19] It is known for misleading reporting[20] and sympathetic coverage of authoritarian regimes,[2][13][21] in addition to its denial of the Uyghur genocide.[25] The Grayzone has spread conspiracy theories about Venezuela, Xinjiang, Syria, and other regions.[26][27]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone

Y'all hate Ukraine. We get it.
LOL, we "hate Ukraine".

No, I hate the left in this country, and I don't care about the Ukraine or Russia. The corruption is real.


You ignore the other dozens of reports and news originations reporting the same corruption. But you do you.
You hate the left so much that you gobble up a left wing rag's take on Ukraine.

Literally every one of these threads results in the anti-Ukraine people spouting nonsense, getting their heads caved in, and then running away. How many more of these threads have to be made?
Why do you LOVE Ukraine so much?
Lots of reasons. I know some Ukrainians. More importantly, though, they're a sovereign nation being brutalized by a much larger country that pillages, rapes, loots, and murders its way to victory. The citizenry and armed forces have proven they are willing to fight for their country. That small country is also fighting back against an attempt to grow more powerful by a resurgent Eastern Bloc headed by jackboot authoritarians and neo-Soviets.
I'm hoping they win. But, mainly to **** Russia. I don't LOVE Ukraine, however.

I do acknowledge there's a ton of corruption there. It was there before Zelensky and it didn't just magically disappear. So, questioning where the close to $100 billion we've given them is going and how it's accounted for doesn't have to mean you "hate" Ukraine.

The world isn't binary. Only genders are...
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Ag with kids said:

Waffledynamics said:

Ag with kids said:

Waffledynamics said:

samurai_science said:

Waffledynamics said:

When even Wikipedia is calling your source out for its far left loonytoons bend, you may want to reconsider your sources.

Quote:

The Grayzone is a left-wing[1] to far-left[11] news website and blog[15] founded and edited by American journalist Max Blumenthal.[12] The website, initially founded as The Grayzone Project,[16] was affiliated with AlterNet before becoming independent in early 2018.[2] The website's news content is generally considered to be fringe.[2][17][18][19] It is known for misleading reporting[20] and sympathetic coverage of authoritarian regimes,[2][13][21] in addition to its denial of the Uyghur genocide.[25] The Grayzone has spread conspiracy theories about Venezuela, Xinjiang, Syria, and other regions.[26][27]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone

Y'all hate Ukraine. We get it.
LOL, we "hate Ukraine".

No, I hate the left in this country, and I don't care about the Ukraine or Russia. The corruption is real.


You ignore the other dozens of reports and news originations reporting the same corruption. But you do you.
You hate the left so much that you gobble up a left wing rag's take on Ukraine.

Literally every one of these threads results in the anti-Ukraine people spouting nonsense, getting their heads caved in, and then running away. How many more of these threads have to be made?
Why do you LOVE Ukraine so much?
Lots of reasons. I know some Ukrainians. More importantly, though, they're a sovereign nation being brutalized by a much larger country that pillages, rapes, loots, and murders its way to victory. The citizenry and armed forces have proven they are willing to fight for their country. That small country is also fighting back against an attempt to grow more powerful by a resurgent Eastern Bloc headed by jackboot authoritarians and neo-Soviets.
I'm hoping they win. But, mainly to **** Russia. I don't LOVE Ukraine, however.

I do acknowledge there's a ton of corruption there. It was there before Zelensky and it didn't just magically disappear. So, questioning where the close to $100 billion we've given them is going and how it's accounted for doesn't have to mean you "hate" Ukraine.

The world isn't binary. Only genders are...
We haven't given them $100 billion. We haven't even given them $50 billion. We've promised that much and are giving it piece by piece. It's mostly in equipment, not even pallets of cash a la Obama/Iran.

Yes, corruption is there. Corruption is here, there, and everywhere. This assertion that the whole thing is one big grift and that hardly anything is making it to the front lines is proven nonsense.
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Henceforth all suspected fake articles will be abbreviated "farticles". Posting from the bar on a cruise ship, btw.
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wrong thread
Ag with kids
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Waffledynamics said:

Ag with kids said:

Waffledynamics said:

Ag with kids said:

Waffledynamics said:

samurai_science said:

Waffledynamics said:

When even Wikipedia is calling your source out for its far left loonytoons bend, you may want to reconsider your sources.

Quote:

The Grayzone is a left-wing[1] to far-left[11] news website and blog[15] founded and edited by American journalist Max Blumenthal.[12] The website, initially founded as The Grayzone Project,[16] was affiliated with AlterNet before becoming independent in early 2018.[2] The website's news content is generally considered to be fringe.[2][17][18][19] It is known for misleading reporting[20] and sympathetic coverage of authoritarian regimes,[2][13][21] in addition to its denial of the Uyghur genocide.[25] The Grayzone has spread conspiracy theories about Venezuela, Xinjiang, Syria, and other regions.[26][27]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone

Y'all hate Ukraine. We get it.
LOL, we "hate Ukraine".

No, I hate the left in this country, and I don't care about the Ukraine or Russia. The corruption is real.


You ignore the other dozens of reports and news originations reporting the same corruption. But you do you.
You hate the left so much that you gobble up a left wing rag's take on Ukraine.

Literally every one of these threads results in the anti-Ukraine people spouting nonsense, getting their heads caved in, and then running away. How many more of these threads have to be made?
Why do you LOVE Ukraine so much?
Lots of reasons. I know some Ukrainians. More importantly, though, they're a sovereign nation being brutalized by a much larger country that pillages, rapes, loots, and murders its way to victory. The citizenry and armed forces have proven they are willing to fight for their country. That small country is also fighting back against an attempt to grow more powerful by a resurgent Eastern Bloc headed by jackboot authoritarians and neo-Soviets.
I'm hoping they win. But, mainly to **** Russia. I don't LOVE Ukraine, however.

I do acknowledge there's a ton of corruption there. It was there before Zelensky and it didn't just magically disappear. So, questioning where the close to $100 billion we've given them is going and how it's accounted for doesn't have to mean you "hate" Ukraine.

The world isn't binary. Only genders are...
We haven't given them $100 billion. We haven't even given them $50 billion. We've promised that much and are giving it piece by piece. It's mostly in equipment, not even pallets of cash a la Obama/Iran.

Yes, corruption is there. Corruption is here, there, and everywhere. This assertion that the whole thing is one big grift and that hardly anything is making it to the front lines is proven nonsense.
Oh...yep, that is corruption...

Glad you're pie in the sky sure things are are all ok with the aid we've given them...

However, why are we committing $80 billion to investigate Americans with the IRS to root out corruption in tax reporting, but not doing much due diligence with Ukraine? Seems odd to me.



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The U.S. has sent more than $54 billion to Ukraine since the war against Russia started, according to The New York Times. The aid package can be broken down into multiple types of aid.

Weapons and other supplies: $12.5 billion

Economic support: $9.4 billion

U.S. military deployments and intelligence: $9 billion

Food assistance, healthcare, and other aid: $7 billion

Military and security assistance: $6 billion

Grants and loans for military supplies: $4.7 billion

Migration and refugee assistance: $1.8 billion

Other foreign aid: $1.5 billion

Assistance for Europe, Eurasia, and Central Aisa: $1.1 billion

Administration for Children and Families: $0.9 billion

Diplomatic programs and other: $0.5 billion

Enforcing sanctions: $0.3 billion

Most of the types of aid fall under a traditional foreign aid category worth $31.4 billion, while weapons and other supplies and U.S. military deployments and intelligence are categorized as other military aid worth $21.6 billion.

https://marketrealist.com/p/how-much-money-has-the-us-sent-to-ukrainie/

Jonas Ohman is founder and CEO of Blue-Yellow, a Lithuania-based organization that has been meeting with and supplying frontline units with non-lethal military aid in Ukraine since the start of the conflict with Russia-backed separatists in 2014. Back in April, he estimated that just "30-40%" of the supplies coming across the border reached its final destination. But he says the situation has significantly improved since then and a much larger quantity now gets where it's supposed to go.

Some have raised concerns about weapons falling into Ukraine's black market, which has thrived on corruption since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-military-aid-weapons-front-lines/#app

Most sane people would probably realize that the "traditional aid" is a large grift. Think clinton foundation levels. Single to low double digits getting used for the intended purpose

Then with the actual hardware being below 50% (but getting "better"), its hard to conceive how it is anywhere near successful.

I want ukraine to win because they are a sovereign nation that got invaded by commies which are also intent on destroying america and changing the world order. I have a friend over there doing missionary work and he talks highly of the people, so im team Ukraine. And as much as it sucks for America to be the cop, america as the cop isnt too bad (see afghan and womens rights before and after bidens cut and run). But other than that, ukraine is widely known to be a corrupt country.

Anyone heavily emotionally invested in ukraine winning would not ignore these articles and act as if they are not true. Instead, they should be pissed. All sane people know it is probably more true than not true.
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Whoever wrote that wants you to believe two things, that Ukraine cannot fight and has no equipment and no hope, and that sending them any help is so utterly worthless that you shouldn't even try, no sireee. I wonder who could want us to think those things?
Waffledynamics
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Nm
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Website is created and run by Max Blumenthal, a regular RT and Sputnik contributor. Color me surprised...
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The recipients take the US money then give big sums back to the US congress who supported it in back channels through insider business associations, charity donations, campaign donations, etc.
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Ag with kids said:

Waffledynamics said:

samurai_science said:

Waffledynamics said:

When even Wikipedia is calling your source out for its far left loonytoons bend, you may want to reconsider your sources.

Quote:

The Grayzone is a left-wing[1] to far-left[11] news website and blog[15] founded and edited by American journalist Max Blumenthal.[12] The website, initially founded as The Grayzone Project,[16] was affiliated with AlterNet before becoming independent in early 2018.[2] The website's news content is generally considered to be fringe.[2][17][18][19] It is known for misleading reporting[20] and sympathetic coverage of authoritarian regimes,[2][13][21] in addition to its denial of the Uyghur genocide.[25] The Grayzone has spread conspiracy theories about Venezuela, Xinjiang, Syria, and other regions.[26][27]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone

Y'all hate Ukraine. We get it.
LOL, we "hate Ukraine".

No, I hate the left in this country, and I don't care about the Ukraine or Russia. The corruption is real.


You ignore the other dozens of reports and news originations reporting the same corruption. But you do you.
You hate the left so much that you gobble up a left wing rag's take on Ukraine.

Literally every one of these threads results in the anti-Ukraine people spouting nonsense, getting their heads caved in, and then running away. How many more of these threads have to be made?
Why do you LOVE Ukraine so much?


You have forgotten the history of ww2.

We don't let sovereign nations invade democracies, even if those other democracies are almost as corrupt as ours.

I don't think the US has any business posting fingers at corrupt democracies. We are likely worse.
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JJxvi said:

Whoever wrote that wants you to believe two things, that Ukraine cannot fight and has no equipment and no hope, and that sending them any help is so utterly worthless that you shouldn't even try, no sireee. I wonder who could want us to think those things?


That would be one way to spin it in order to get to reeeeee russia propaganda. Another way would be the author wants to draw attention to it so that the trent reverses and actual help gets to ukraine.
That would be consistent with the quotes in the article and that would be consistent with what happened after reporting about less that 50% of hardware getting to front lines. But hey, you interpret away. Reeeeeee russia propaganda.
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