pacecar02 said:

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yes....its a conspiracy

Just because that term has been given such a bad rap doesn't change its meaning

Sam Harris is a leftwing "intellectual", he's been good on some topics. He's lost the plot on this one.

Triggernometry is the guys doing the interview, they are a great follow

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This guys hold massively inconsistent opinions and is blind towards anything Trump related or something that doesn't conform with his worldview. One of the best examples of someone broken by Trump.

"corpses of children"

Predictive programming

magnumtmp said:

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He is saying The evidence against Joe's corruption is infinitesimal compared to Trump, specifically Trump University.

Trump settled a lawsuit where students accused him of false advertising because they didn't automatically become billionaires after attending.

And THAT is worse than Hunters laptop and 10% for the big guy???? What ****ing planet does this guy live on?

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Who would ever think that you would become a millionaire right after graduating from college regardless of where it was?

aggiehawg said:

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Have no idea who this is?

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Seriously?

He's a famous atheist moral philosopher, writer, podcaster. Was part of the '4 horsemen' of atheism with Dan Dennett, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens.

He's generally anti-woke, pro free speech, was a proponent of profiling for security purposes (said patting down people that look like Betty White is a waste of time).

Member of the 'intellectual dark web'.

I added that in, I'm sure their case was slightly different in arguments. But it WAS a false advertising claim where they said they paid for an education they didn't receive.

Sam Harris is a very bright man and got to give him credit for being transparent on this, BLM, Muslims, etc. Just goes to show you how very powerful TDS is. The brass in our gov and about half the country are ok with violating constitutional rights, as long as it's keeps Trump out of office.

Yes. Especially with those other three you often heard speak up or debate. I am fairly sure remembering right that he stood out early in the 9/11 War / WoT phase as not buying the CNN/NBC running interference for Islam and the "Islamaphobia" shtick. More like Bill Marr on that score.

As mentioned, when he wrote articles usually read them when came across because they can have substance. I am also fairly sure it was him one time that debated Dennis Prager in a memorable stage clash.

D-Fens said:

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Sam Harris is a very bright man and got to give him credit for being transparent on this, BLM, Muslims, etc. Just goes to show you how very powerful TDS is. The brass in our gov and about half the country are ok with violating constitutional rights, as long as it's keeps Trump out of office.

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The brass in our gov, all of msm, and half of the country are ok with straight up election stealing followed by Marxist imprisoning of a political opponent they don't like and vilifying the entire other half of the country who voted for their political rival.

Huge slap in the face to democracy: to say you're okay with massive election interference and imprisoning political opponents because they're a "threat to our democracy", as you're the ones tearing down the main tenants of "democracy".

I've listened to his podcast several times because i DON"T agree with him and was looking for him to give me evidence to prove his side. He only reitterated how wrong minded the modern day Left is.

Bat Guano Crazy but functioning in life, just like an alcoholic can do their job but get drunk and pass out every night.

I've heard enough from people that are completely deranged with TDS to know that none of them would have a problem with the 2020 election being rigged and the cheating that went on.

They just simply think Trump is Hitler and that justifies any level of underhandedness to get him out.

It's crazy to me how someone with a high IQ and principled arguement on wokeism and leftist gaslighting, can in the next breath throw out the same principles on the subject of Trump.

In one breath he will say Hunter doesn't matter, then berate Don Jr. He will say BLM is totally exaggerating racism, them claim Trump is a threat to all civilization in the very next sentence.

TexAgs91 said:

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Tea Party said:

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TEXIT.

I do not see how the U.S. can be repaired when a significant majority of the population agrees gov corruption is ok if their side wins.

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Yeah it's time to go. If America is going to commit suicide we don't need to go down with it.

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You know if we put it up for a vote the Texiteers would lose by 60 pp's.

Esteban du Plantier said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Have no idea who this is?

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Seriously?

He's a famous atheist moral philosopher, writer, podcaster. Was part of the '4 horsemen' of atheism with Dan Dennett, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens.

He's generally anti-woke, pro free speech, was a proponent of profiling for security purposes (said patting down people that look like Betty White is a waste of time).

Member of the 'intellectual dark web'.

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He all but renounced his membership in the IDW over covid. He refused to even have a discussion with Brett Weinstein because he didn't want to raise any doubts about the official government narrative.

IMHO, he's somewhat of a celebrity in the California elite bubble and he's blinded by the fame and perks.

Sam Harris is obviously ultraliberal, but his (bad) take on this is isolated specifically to Trump because he viewed him as a grave threat to our democracy.

Doesn't bode well for the future of the country when everyone agrees that "threats to democracy" abound, but each side thinks it's isolated to the other team.

aggiehawg said:

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Have no idea who this is?

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He's an evil POS who thinks he's cool and edgy and enlightened because he's an atheist and believes everything in existence just magically and miraculously came from nothing without some form of higher power that we cannot understand.

SCHTICK00 said:

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Holy shlit

Sam Harris just admitted he supported censoring the Hunter Biden laptop story because it helped Biden

This man just set his entire career on fire pic.twitter.com/FG3JI5Rb7e

— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) August 18, 2022

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Dude uses the same "word salad" approach to communication that Kamala Harris does...

I guess we shouldn't be suprised... they're similarly qualified.

This is the best piece of work Harris has ever done. If conservatives only listened to this one episode, they might think he is a national treasure, despite his terminal TDS. Worth a listen.



*For the TLDR, Sam destroys the BLM narrative and exposes the dangers of being unable to have honest dialog. He didn't in peak of Floyd mania.

D-Fens said:

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It's crazy to me how someone with a high IQ and principled arguement on wokeism and leftist gaslighting, can in the next breath throw out the same principles on the subject of Trump.

In one breath he will say Hunter doesn't matter, then berate Don Jr. He will say BLM is totally exaggerating racism, them claim Trump is a threat to all civilization in the very next sentence.

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Deep irrational hatred clouds logic and reason. People with TDS are almost entirely fueled by this irrational hatred of Trump and anyone who strongly supports him. Eric Weinstein is another supposedly enlightened free thinker on the left, and while moreso than others, I remember hearing him on podcast with Rogan several years ago claiming he was genuinely worried Trump (the least war hawkish president of our lifetimes) was so unstable he was a real risk to just start lobbing nukes for no reason. And these are the more SANE leftists.

My theory is that a lot of these people were dweeby nerds or outcasts growing up and they see Trump as a bully...which is silly because he's really a bullier of bullies. He stands up to bullies who have been bullying him and falsely accusing him of all sorts of sh** from day one.

I mean look at Harris...he was an absolute dork growing up

D-Fens said:

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This is the best piece of work Harris has ever done. If conservatives only listened to this one episode, they might think he is a national treasure, despite his terminal TDS. Worth a listen.

[...]

*For the TLDR, Sam destroys the BLM narrative and exposes the dangers of being unable to have honest dialog. He didn't in peak of Floyd mania.

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I'm conservative (though not a Trump idolizer) and actually like listening to Sam to keep tabs on the other side, in addition to his non-political content. However, he loses quite a bit of credibility on promoting "honest dialogue" when he spouts stuff like this. Obviously, his fans don't see it that way though.

WestAustinAg said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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Tea Party said:

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TEXIT.

I do not see how the U.S. can be repaired when a significant majority of the population agrees gov corruption is ok if their side wins.

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Yeah it's time to go. If America is going to commit suicide we don't need to go down with it.

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You know if we put it up for a vote the Texiteers would lose by 60 pp's.

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Now, yes. But irrelevant. Don't believe the first vote for Brexit was close either. It is more important to set the precedent and get the notion that detaching to be an independent Republic anew is once again an idea.

aggiehawg said:

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Have no idea who this is?

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He's a blowhard acehole!

I enjoy Sam Harris's takes, but this one is truly bizarre because he spends a lot of time on his podcast addressing the Hunter Biden laptop issue. His podcast take was that the failure to cover that story is an example of liberal bias in the media that has inalterably ceded the argument that the New York Times and Washington Post are liberal propaganda to the right. So this statement is not just wrong, it also seems to be contradicting what he has said ad nauseam on his podcast.

Malibu2 said:

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I enjoy Sam Harris's takes, but this one is truly bizarre because he spends a lot of time on his podcast addressing the Hunter Biden laptop issue. His podcast take was that the failure to cover that story is an example of liberal bias in the media that has inalterably ceded the argument that the New York Times and Washington Post are liberal propaganda to the right. So this statement is not just wrong, it also seems to be contradicting what he has said ad nauseam on his podcast.

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Yep, all white libs and CM's are consumed with this bizarre deep hatred or obsession over anything Trump and it turns even the smartest ones into absolute buffoons. It really is like they've truly been convinced that he's basically Hitler. Things were pretty solid under him and he's the least war hawkish president of our lifetimes. But you all don't like how he bites back at the media and other deserving people and that makes him the love child of Hitler and Satan. And your news channels have told you constantly that he's evil since the moment he defeated Hillary. Congrats, you are basically Don Lemon…almost completely indistinguishable, but white and not gay.

Malibu2 said:

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I enjoy Sam Harris's takes, but this one is truly bizarre because he spends a lot of time on his podcast addressing the Hunter Biden laptop issue. His podcast take was that the failure to cover that story is an example of liberal bias in the media that has inalterably ceded the argument that the New York Times and Washington Post are liberal propaganda to the right. So this statement is not just wrong, it also seems to be contradicting what he has said ad nauseam on his podcast.

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He's saying he recognizes that, he just doesn't give a ***** Because he's wacko.

Frankly I respect his honesty, because the reality is tens of millions of Americans have thought the same thing and would just never say it.

Wycliffe_03 said:

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Malibu2 said:

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I enjoy Sam Harris's takes, but this one is truly bizarre because he spends a lot of time on his podcast addressing the Hunter Biden laptop issue. His podcast take was that the failure to cover that story is an example of liberal bias in the media that has inalterably ceded the argument that the New York Times and Washington Post are liberal propaganda to the right. So this statement is not just wrong, it also seems to be contradicting what he has said ad nauseam on his podcast.

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Yep, all white libs and CM's are consumed with this bizarre deep hatred or obsession over anything Trump and it turns even the smartest ones into absolute buffoons. It really is like they've truly been convinced that he's basically Hitler. Things were pretty solid under him and he's the least war hawkish president of our lifetimes. But you all don't like how he bites back at the media and other deserving people and that makes him the live child of Hitler and Satan. And your news channels have told you constantly that he's evil since the moment he defeated Hillary.

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Consider a spiritual answer. Evil doesn't mind lukewarm, but it absolutely irrationally hates righteous or steps in that direction. Its very clear the character of the MSM and the activists. Consider that among seemingly non-entity things, W did get involved in promoting "faith based initiatives" -- have come to suspect that explains the peculiarly unhinged reaction toward him. Now notice that Trump was even more over in such things. If you see the angle.

He did try to have the Vice President use fake electors to stay in power, so there's that. But sure, he owned the libs and put tariffs on China, so we can ignore anti-Democratic proclivities. Sam's position here is inexcusable, but his general TDS is not.

Definitely Not A Cop said:

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The liberal version of Jordan Peterson.

His podcast on the BLM stuff is very very good. He spends about three hours looking at the data of whether blacks are truly systemically targeted by the police.

The video above is absolutely bat****, but not surprising based on his views of that all truth is ultimately subjective.

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You're overselling the "insanity" of his point. If someone genuinely believes a person is too dangerous to be the leader of a world power, then it makes perfect sense to hide things about the families of his political competition that might make it more likely for said dangerous person to be elected.

Now I think it's silly to believe Trump is "dangerous", but IF you believe that then what Joe Biden's son is up is small potatoes really no matter what it is. And frankly if the roles were reversed I'd have the same opinion. I'd gladly have something terrible about the GOP nominees kid kept quite if I knew it was the difference between a "dangerous" Democrat being elected or not.

Malibu2 said:

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He did try to have the Vice President use fake electors to stay in power, so there's that. But sure, he owned the libs and put tariffs on China, so we can ignore anti-Democratic proclivities. Sam's position here is inexcusable, but his general TDS is not.

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That's kind of a silly position. Frankly, Sam Harris's is more refreshingly honest. He saw it more in terms of absolute stakes, vaguely wartime. His position from his point-of-view makes sense. It just makes a shipwreck and complete train derail of the MSM narrative trying to deny that the election of 2020 was "managed" and steered to a certain outcome. He basically confirms it, and says `well done'.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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The liberal version of Jordan Peterson.

His podcast on the BLM stuff is very very good. He spends about three hours looking at the data of whether blacks are truly systemically targeted by the police.

The video above is absolutely bat****, but not surprising based on his views of that all truth is ultimately subjective.

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You're overselling the "insanity" of his point. If someone genuinely believes a person is too dangerous to be the leader of a world power, then it makes perfect sense to hide things about the families of his political competition that might make it more likely for said dangerous person to be elected.

Now I think it's silly to believe Trump is "dangerous", but IF you believe that then what Joe Biden's son is up is small potatoes really no matter what it is. And frankly if the roles were reversed I'd have the same opinion. I'd gladly have something terrible about the GOP nominees kid kept quite if I knew it was the difference between a "dangerous" Democrat being elected or not.

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Yes. No one cares what "the" truth is anymore. Just what "your" truth is. And that's what keeps making it worse.

Framed another way, suppose it comes up that Ron DeSantis's wife was a former call girl (extreme hypothetical to prove a point). Would you want Fox News burying this story as it might give Newsome the Presidency?

The principled argument is that the press does its job to inform the public and we trust our system of government and way of electing leaders.

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Would you want Fox News burying this story as it might give Newsome the Presidency?

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Yes, especially since that would have literally no bearing whatsoever on Desantis' ability to govern well.

Now I understand some of Hunter's issues are a bigger gray area as some actually have geopolitical implications for his father, but as a matter of how many hookers he sleeps or what drugs he uses? If you think Trump is dangerous, the ONLY rational response is "so what?"

Infection_Ag11 said:

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Frankly I respect his honesty, because the reality is tens of millions of Americans have thought the same thing and would just never say it.

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Agreed. I like Sam, he's one of the few people on the left that tries to be rational and has called out BLM, radical islamism, diversity for the sake of diversity, etc. His series of debates with Peterson are fantastic and riveting to listen to.

I always wanted him to point that magnifying glass on himself and identify his glaring TDS…I guess this was it.

Malibu2 said:

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Framed another way, suppose it comes up that Ron DeSantis's wife was a former call girl (extreme hypothetical to prove a point). Would you want Fox News burying this story as it might give Newsome the Presidency?

The principled argument is that the press does its job to inform the public and we trust our system of government and way of electing leaders.

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I would not want any story ignored, dismissed, and censored, but this is a bad analogy. In this analogy, I'd expect Fox News to cover it some, but CNN and MSDNC to go scorched earth on it for months. A better analogy would be if it came up that DeSantis was compromised through a history of public corruption, as he got wealthy through shady deals with foreign actors the whole time he was a US Rep and a governor. How could you be confident he'd put Americans first in his platform, policy, and exec order decisions when he owes something to so many conflicts of interest or there's so many potential bad actors that have dirt on him? I would want all journalists to cover that, not bury it like the MSM and the tech monopolies did for Biden.

SCHTICK00 said:

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Holy shlit

Sam Harris just admitted he supported censoring the Hunter Biden laptop story because it helped Biden

This man just set his entire career on fire pic.twitter.com/FG3JI5Rb7e

— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) August 18, 2022

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He is a duplicitous SOB and openly promotes coordinated suppression of information in order to 'win'.

People on the left are not bound by any sense of morality or ethics at all. It is all about the projection of power.