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But we can still vote our way out of this mess right?

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Nope. Not really. With the restrictions under NVRA and then by contractual terms those EBU voters cannot be ascertained to even canvass them to find out if they voted.

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Christian Adams, president of the Public Interest Legal Foundation, recommends that states stop complying with ERIC's membership requirement prohibiting states from sharing their voter roll maintenance data, as it conflicts with federal law. The Public Interest Legal Foundation also has four lawsuits against Alaska, Colorado, Louisiana, and D.C. focused on a provision in the National Voter Registration Act (NVRA), which requires that states make public all data related to their voter maintenance lists.

While the first step will help increase transparency, it may violate the NVRA, which stipulates that records related to "a declination to register to vote or to the identity of a voter registration agency through which any particular voter is registered" are not permitted to be made public. Thus, ERIC and CEIR are able to make their "unregistered but eligible" voter outreach lists using private citizens' data, even while it is illegal for the data to be made public. States are in a bind.

"The NVRA prohibits the dissemination of those individuals who decline to register to vote when asked at the DMV or the social services agencies. Their names are NOT supposed to be shared. But the ERIC membership agreement REQUIRES states to deliver that data to ERIC and also requires states to spend tax dollars to try AGAIN to get those same individuals to register to vote," Cleta Mitchell, a senior legal fellow at the Conservative Partnership Institute, told The Federalist.

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Mitchell believes ERIC should be sued for deceptive practices, as it sells itself to states under the guise of helping states clean their voter rolls but instead transforms them into "voter registration agencies." Mitchell recommends states withdraw from ERIC. "Period," she added.

James Womack, leader of the North Carolina Election Integrity Unit, argues states should immediately withdraw from or disband ERIC. "I don't care how many board members they give you as each state, you're not controlling what happens with that data," Womack told The Federalist.

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Womack has a background in IT and is developing a voter roll maintenance alternative for North Carolina called the Voter Information Analysis and Decision Support System. He said states should model their voter roll maintenance systems after Child Support Enforcement, where every state is responsible for its data and has the ability to do cross-checks with other states through synchronous messaging without having access to another state's data. Multiple factors could trigger cross-checks between states, including the national change of address directory.

"My argument is that there's a better architecture that provides an IP solution an automation solution which is very efficient," Womack said. "And every state should be held responsible and accountable for its voter list."

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Apologies as I was being my usual sarcastic self. I know.

So the corruption is just mostly unethical, and not criminal.

Are there enough conservative board members of ERIC to vote to fire all the top managers and bring in new management? Maybe someone like Capitol City Research?

Could open a can of worms.

Live I've been saying all along when it comes to election security.... Each state is different. The ones in blue are working hard at creating these same types of situations across the board for their blue wave. Ballot harvesting is much easier if you can register every EBU on the list automatically. That makes it much easier to hide.

I can only speak about what Texas does, but this doesn't necessarily work here.. The voter roles are updated constantly up until an election cut off. Registrations get rejected all the time. I wish we'd remove motor voter laws though.

I never closed my registration in NC when I moved back to Texas last October. However, I am able to track how I vote still in the state.

I hopefully will not see that I voted in the upcoming elections, but NC is one of those states that I feel was waiting to see if shenanigans needed to be perpetratored or not in 2020.

Thanks to Hawg, I can tell people that the election was stolen and it is not just a 'belief'

Redass.

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Apologize for the length of this post but this is involved if not all that complicated.

What is ERIC?

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The Electronic Registration Information Center, or ERIC, was sold to states as a quick and easy way to update their voter rolls. Started in 2012 by far-left activist David Becker and the left-leaning Pew Charitable Trusts, the program is ostensibly run by the member states themselves. But as public records show, Democratic operatives are working overtime under the cover of ERIC to accomplish their partisan goals and drive Democratic voter turnout.

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Becker is a Soros guy. You can read about him later, if you want.

For for our purposes:

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While Becker is a shrewd activist, ERIC member secretaries of state describe him as charming and brilliant. Becker is known to host swanky, all-access-paid election integrity conferences for state election officials and their spouses. Even during the pandemic, Becker courted ERIC members with Zoom catch-up calls. "Shane Hamlin and I have discussed doing another virtual get-together with the folks in the states (we did a small one last Friday) to catch up and hang out. No particular agenda, not about ERIC, just a good way to kick off the Memorial Day weekend (what's a weekend?). I hope many of you can make it," a May 15, 2020, email to ERIC members said.

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ERIC shares voter roll data including records of unregistered voters it receives from the states with CEIR, according to public information requests detailed in the report. CEIR then develops targeted mailing lists and sends them back to the states to use for voter registration outreach. As part of their agreement with ERIC, states are not allowed to disclose any data they send to nor receive from ERIC, however, ERIC is not under the same constraints and is able to work with CEIR.

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Eligible but unregistered voters, a/k/a EBU. Those are important.

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How does ERIC work? According to its membership agreement, every 60 days states are required to send "all active and inactive voter files," "all licensing or identification records contained in the motor vehicles database," and any state agency records that perform "voter registration functions" to ERIC, which matches those against data from all other member states and Social Security death data. From there it creates voter maintenance lists lists of voters who have moved, died, or have duplicate registrations and lists of non-registered voters called "eligible but unregistered." States are then required to contact every person on the latter list and tell them how to register.

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Furthermore, a 2020 Judicial Watch study found that 353 U.S. counties had 1.8 million more registered voters than eligible voting-age citizens. Notably, the study also identified eight states showing statewide registration rates exceeding 100 percent. Seven of the eight states are ERIC members: Alaska, Colorado, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, Rhode Island, and Vermont. For example, 40 out of 64 Colorado counties have more registered voters than eligible residents, and Colorado has been a member of ERIC for 10 years.

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How does CEIR fit into all this? Public records obtained by Verity Vote show that ERIC transfers lists of unregistered but eligible voters it receives from the states to CEIR, which then creates targeted mailing lists from the data and transfers those back to the states for distribution. States use these lists for their voter registration outreach.

In a September 4, 2020, email sent to the Georgia secretary of state's office, former CEIR employee Jenny Lovell explains how Georgia's "eligible but unregistered," or EBU, data must be sent to ERIC before it is transferred to CEIR. "I've just finished randomizing your EBU list. … To get them to you, we'll simply reverse the transfer process: I'll send the files to ERIC and they'll get them to you." Another email obtained by Verity Vote shows Becker emailing ERIC member states on April 17, 2020, explaining that "CEIR is planning to help you coordinate your ERIC EBU outreach this year."

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Following all of that? Let me bring it on home using another state, Michigan, in 2020.

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Michigan is a good example of "eligible but unregistered" voter outreach. Thanks to the joint efforts of ERIC and CEIR, tens of thousands of mailers were sent out to unregistered voters there in September 2020. Because Michigan had approved automatic voter registration by mail the year prior, recipients of the EBU mailer were automatically registered to vote if they did not respond. Approximately 30 days after the mailer was sent, 114,000 people were automatically added to Michigan's voter rolls, an unprecedented single-day registration spike.

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Because Michigan had approved automatic voter registration by mail the year prior, recipients of the EBU mailer were automatically registered to vote if they did not respond. Approximately 30 days after the mailer was sent, 114,000 people were automatically added to Michigan's voter rolls, an unprecedented single-day registration spike.

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Whether these people want to register or not, their name is on the voter rolls.

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As previously reported, CEIR held significant sway in the 2020 election. After receiving more than $70 million from the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, CEIR mainly funneled the cash to Democratic secretaries of state in key swing states to gain access to data needed to inflate voter rolls and drive Democratic voter turnout. Pennsylvania and Michigan received the most CEIR funds, with Pennsylvania's Department of State receiving $13 million and Michigan nearly $12 million.

CEIR's own website says grant funds were exclusively used for voter education, specifically "direct mail outreach, paid media campaigns, and other communication activities." In Michigan, however, $11.8 million of its $12 million grant went to Democratic consulting firms for conducting so-called "nonpartisan" voter education. Meanwhile, the $13 million to Pennsylvania's secretary of state funded a massive "voter information" campaign in mostly Democrat-heavy Philadelphia and Allegheny counties.

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Public records obtained by Verity Vote show Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar signed an "eligible but unregistered" outreach contract with CEIR, agreeing to provide all data "CEIR reasonably requests" the day before the $13 million grant was awarded. Boockvar also agreed to keep "any information Grantee receives from CEIR relating to CEIR's funders or funding agreements or arrangements" strictly confidential. As Pennsylvania is still under contract with CEIR, it is prohibited from disclosing that CEIR is funded by Zuckerberg.

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Cute, huh?

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While the Pennsylvania Department of State has no qualms about sharing its voter data with CEIR for voter outreach efforts, it refused to share the same data with state Senate Republicans. Back in September 2021, the Pennsylvania GOP subpoenaed the Department of State for its voter records for the purpose of conducting an audit of the 2020 election. The Democratic Party-aligned administration refused and sued the Senate Republicans for requesting "confidential" voter data.

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Another unsettling public records discovery is a new program by CEIR to combat so-called disinformation. According to documents obtained from the Georgia secretary of state, CEIR is developing a "free service" that will allow states to communicate with voters via text and email to fight what it calls "disinformation."

Per Becker in the Georgia FOIA documents, "CEIR has built a new, secure electronic messaging tool called REVERE, which will enable states to draw on phone numbers and email addresses contained in the voter file, and send texts, emails, and even voicemails to any set of voters."

CEIR ostensibly uses voter data obtained by ERIC from the states specifically cell phone numbers and email addresses for the program to "assist state election officials in combating foreign and domestic disinformation on social media and email." During the 2020 presidential election, Georgia appeared to run a pilot program of REVERE. CEIR's website states that Georgia used some of the CEIR funds it received for countering disinformation and "issuing public service announcements warning voters of disinformation."

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Scared yet?

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Becker has a book coming out in a week on election fraud.

https://www.amazon.com/Big-Truth-Upholding-Democracy-Age/dp/1635767849/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1JTI73KE43091&keywords=becker+big+truth&qid=1662994131&sprefix=becker+big+truth%2Caps%2C151&sr=8-1

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But we can still vote our way out of this mess right?

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of course, and if anyone disagrees we will issue disinformation warnings.

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So the corruption is just mostly unethical, and not criminal.

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Michigan's Registration Process:

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You can register to vote through Election Day

Some clerk's offices have opened satellite offices for voter registration. You must show proof of where you live. Documents must have your name and current address. You can show a digital copy of any document. Acceptable documents include:

Michigan driver's license or State ID card
Current utility bill
Bank statement
Paycheck or government check
Other government document
After registering, you can vote an absent voter ballot at the clerk's office or you can vote at your polling place on Election Day.

Military and overseas civilian voters have additional options to register. For more information, visit this page.

To be eligible to register to vote you must be:

A Michigan resident (at the time you register) and a resident of your city or township for at least 30 days (when you vote)
A United States citizen
At least 18 years of age (when you vote)
Not currently serving a sentence in jail or prison

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https://www.michigan.gov/sos/elections/upcoming-election-information/voters/register/step-by-step-guide

In other words, it is more difficult to register to vote in Michigan than it is to apply for a credit card; and given the stakes of federal elections, automatically enrolling non-responses to register is without a doubt worse than opening up a credit card account for >100,000 people unbeknownst to the card holder.

People need to go to jail.

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This is how the fraud works

They create a database of "reserve votes" ie voters they know don't vote but have automatically registered and will use this to create a fake ballot in their name that voted straight ticket Dem. They then hold it in reserve for Election Day and wait to see how many of these fake votes they need to "find" to overcome GOP early voting ballots.

If this allowed to stand then every state with a current blue government is blue forever more and the second they get a chance will do so to any Red State they temporarily win

The Republic is dead

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In 2020 Runbeck Election Services handled the mail in ballots for Fulton County, Georgia. They had the voter rolls. They could print up as many ballots as they wanted and no doubt did. Get those to Abrams' outfits and let the mules do the rest.

But it was even worse in Maricopa County. There Runbeck not only had the voter rolls, printed up the ballots and assigned a specific barcode on the outer envelope designating that voter. Then they went to main postal processing center, picked up the ballots as they came in, ran them through their scanners to check off the names of voters from voter rolls. At any given point in time, they knew who had returned ballots and who had not. Yet, they didn't even give the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors the counts of how many ballots were outstanding for up to ten days after the election. Runbeck was still doing daily deliveries of more ballots to the counting center.

Which makes the FNC call of Arizona on election night even more egregious.

Here's interview on NPR with Becker and John Merrill, the Republican secretary of state. ERIC identifies dead people and people who moved out of state so they can be removed from the voter rolls. So it is removing avenues for fraud and making elections MORE SECURE.

https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1076529761

If they are automatically registering inactive voters and then voting for them, why is there no evidence coming forward of that? Tens of Thousands in any one state, hundreds of thousands nationwide. You don't think there'd be a huge upswing in double votes detected, like no election ever before? How can they predict with exact certainty who isn't going to register to vote? Did they register them all on the last day? If so, there'd be a record of it, prove it. And no, I don't have the burden of proof. A claim that can be made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

This is reaching the level of jet fuel can't melt steel beams territory. Man these democrats are mastermind geniuses at this vote fraud stuff!!!!

So what's the plan? What can / should us average citizens do?

Thanks for the link and information.
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This is reprehensible. The know what they are doing is in total opposition to the Constitution and are gleefully rubbing it into any honest conservative's noses.

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In 2020 Runbeck Election Services handled the mail in ballots for Fulton County, Georgia. They had the voter rolls. They could print up as many ballots as they wanted and no doubt did. Get those to Abrams' outfits and let the mules do the rest.

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I was an absentee voter in Georgia. You have to request a ballot from the SOS. You can check the status of your request in the online database. You can see if they sent you a ballot and you can see if your ballot was accepted by the SOS. They have a record of who requested ballots. Runbeck printing up ballot for those who didn't request them would be caught by the system. That company would be bankrupt right now and their employees would be in jail.

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So what's the plan? What can / should us average citizens do?

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Confront anyone you know who might still be deluded enough to ever vote for Democrats/sit out/pencil in some idealistic name they like to go pull a lever for the GOP/what the truth is, which we as a people are up against vs. the Democrats.

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This is how the fraud works

They create a database of "reserve votes" ie voters they know don't vote but have automatically registered and will use this to create a fake ballot in their name that voted straight ticket Dem. They then hold it in reserve for Election Day and wait to see how many of these fake votes they need to "find" to overcome GOP early voting ballots.

If this allowed to stand then every state with a current blue government is blue forever more and the second they get a chance will do so to any Red State they temporarily win

The Republic is dead

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In 2020 Runbeck Election Services handled the mail in ballots for Fulton County, Georgia. They had the voter rolls. They could print up as many ballots as they wanted and no doubt did. Get those to Abrams' outfits and let the mules do the rest.

But it was even worse in Maricopa County. There Runbeck not only had the voter rolls, printed up the ballots and assigned a specific barcode on the outer envelope designating that voter. Then they went to main postal processing center, picked up the ballots as they came in, ran them through their scanners to check off the names of voters from voter rolls. At any given point in time, they knew who had returned ballots and who had not. Yet, they didn't even give the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors the counts of how many ballots were outstanding for up to ten days after the election. Runbeck was still doing daily deliveries of more ballots to the counting center.

Which makes the FNC call of Arizona on election night even more egregious.

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Why would an outside company be delivering ballots and not the post office?

You never saw the reports of Georgia voters receiving multiple mail in ballots before the election? Something that continued to happen in the primaries this year as well.

https://runbeck.net/over-1-million-georgia-voters-received-absentee-ballots-for-the-june-primary/

And in Nevada:

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26. For Possible Action Discussion and deliberation to: 1) Approve, amend, and approve, or reject a Sale and Purchase Agreement between Runbeck Election Services and Nye County for the purpose of purchasing the Aqilis Duo Vote-ByMail Processing System, providing Software License, and ongoing maintenance services in the amount of $75,500.00 for the first year and a continuing support fee of $12500.00 for the following 3 years; 2) Execute the Agreement; and 3) Fund from 10340 Grants. Sam Merlino explained right now there was a contract with Runbeck to print the ballots and mail them. They would also create the envelopes. Regardless of all paper ballots or not, there would still be mail ballots that had to be sorted and the signature verified. During the passage of AB321, which required mail ballots be sent to all active registered voters and allocated funding to the counties to implement it, the counties put in a wish list of items needed for this process. Mrs. Merlino requested a ballot sorter instead of her staff scanning every ballot by hand. It would scan them in batches, take a picture of the envelope, and allow verification of signatures in an easier manner instead of doing three steps for every ballot. She advised 12,000 mail ballots were received during the last election and that could increase. This sorter was just to make the process quicker, easier, and more efficient. Also, this was a grant and Mrs. Merlino had $1 11,000.00 to purchase mail ballot sorters, ballot boxes, and such. This fell under that grant and the State would pay for it. The State would also probably pay for the next two years of the licensing and warranty. Mrs. Merlino stated if the Board decided it did not want it that was fine, but she reiterated it was just a tool for her office to make this process more efficient.

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Back to Georgia. Raffensperger was pushing this.

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After an hour long discussion and an extended recess, the Floyd County Board of Elections approved the use of Runbeck Elections Services to oversee the mailing of absentee ballots to voters.
Chief Elections Clerk Robert Brady received an invoice late Tuesday from the Georgia Secretary of State's Office asking if the Floyd County Elections Office would be interested in using the third party vendor for the upcoming November election.
The Georgia Secretary of State's Office gave county elections offices a very small window to choose whether or not they wanted to use the system, wanting a decision by early Friday.

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The group founded by former Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams is launching a new initiative to reach out to Georgia voters to track the stories of those who have had trouble getting their absentee ballots for the June 9th primary election.

Fair Fight PAC, is launching its outreach efforts Thursday, over social media. It will be asking voters who have not received ballots to contact Fair Fight's voter protection team to talk about their experiences. In a statement to CBS News before the launch, Fair Fight voter protection director Liza Conrad said the primary "has been marred by postponed elections and absentee ballot request forms riddled with errors, causing voter confusion."

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Remember the CEIR grants are separate from the CTCL grants. Those were in addition to the CTCL grants.

Here we go.

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A newly proposed bill in Washington, D.C. would allow the city to automatically send mail-in ballots to all residents deemed eligible to vote, even if they aren't registered.

According to the digital magazine Bolts, "the city would take information it collects when residents interact with the Department of Motor Vehicles [(DMV)] and other agencies to maintain a constantly-updating list of people who are 'preapproved' to vote," with the only task left to the individuals listed being "to vote come election time."

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Under the proposed law, "as long as someone has provided certain documents, the city would verify and record them as eligible: This would pre-qualify them as voters, even when they're not formally on voter rolls," the Bolts report reads. "D.C. would then send people on this preapproved list a mail-in ballot for every election during the following two years. They would never need to proactively register … D.C. would also inform them that they can return a ballot or head to the polls to activate their registration."

Introduced by D.C. Councilmember Charles Allen, the bill is scheduled to have its first public hearing by the city's legislative body on Friday. In a statement provided to Bolts, Allen defended the legislation by claiming that voter registration "has been used as a way to keep people from voting" and that it's "a way to be a gatekeeper as to who you think should be able to vote."

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And that's how you creat phantom voters on the voter rolls.

You worried about losing Republican votes in D.C?

A lot of states vote by mail or are moving to vote by mail.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vopp-table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections.aspx

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A lot of states vote by mail or are moving to vote by mail.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vopp-table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections.aspx

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Because it is soo easy to commit voter fraud.

So you tell me, do you want cleaner voter rolls of actual registered voters? Or not?

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A lot of states vote by mail or are moving to vote by mail.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vopp-table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections.aspx

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Because it is soo easy to commit voter fraud.

So you tell me, do you want cleaner voter rolls of actual registered voters? Or not?

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Of course

So do you agree that the current ERIC and CEIR system with the states has failed to make the voter rolls cleaner and the states should take that task over themselves?

I have no idea. States use 3rd party vendors for all kinds of things. I agree it needs to be thoroughly vetted and investigated.

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I was an absentee voter in Georgia. You have to request a ballot from the SOS. You can check the status of your request in the online database. You can see if they sent you a ballot and you can see if your ballot was accepted by the SOS. They have a record of who requested ballots. Runbeck printing up ballot for those who didn't request them would be caught by the system. That company would be bankrupt right now and their employees would be in jail.

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If you can fraudulently submit a ballot(s) what makes you think that fraudulently requesting ballot(s) is difficult especially when you have ALL of the right data to do so?