padreislandagfan said:

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I saw a post this morning from neighborhood app, it read " daughter needs recommendation for work from home job, she has anxiety and doesn't like public spaces". I replied" she may be ready to be institutionalized if she can't function in society". That's when the fight started.

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DarkBrandon0111 said:

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https://www.newsweek.com/nobody-wants-work-these-days-meme-thread-old-1726774?amp=1

Boomers have been complaining that no one wants to work since the dawn of time. People want to work, but they won't work for a crappy wage. It cost a good wage to get a good worker. Pay crappy wages and get crappy workers. It's that simple. The decline in productivity shows that workers are finally getting the compensation they deserve.

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Compensation has nothing to do w productivity. Some unpaid interns or volunteers are extremely productive.

You're making absurd excuses for the lazy and entitled

Fightin_Aggie said:

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DarkBrandon0111 said:

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https://www.newsweek.com/nobody-wants-work-these-days-meme-thread-old-1726774?amp=1

Boomers have been complaining that no one wants to work since the dawn of time. People want to work, but they won't work for a crappy wage. It cost a good wage to get a good worker. Pay crappy wages and get crappy workers. It's that simple. The decline in productivity shows that workers are finally getting the compensation they deserve.

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In a free market you get paid what you are worth to the employer. If you don't think you are making enough get more skills or a different job.

Don't blame the messenger (employer). You are not owed a job

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Sorry, but the "free market pays what you're worth" is as delusional as much of the leftist policy that's decried here. At any rate with things like racial quotas, non-competes and hiring standards our economy hardly resembles a free market anyways

I saw on the news this morning that Lake Travis schools district can't hire enough bus drivers so the bus will only service your neighborhood every other week. I noticed the bus driver shortage start during Covid, but why now? Haven't the stimmy checks run out yet? Why don't people want to work?

Ozzy Osbourne said:

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I saw on the news this morning that Lake Travis schools district can't hire enough bus drivers so the bus will only service your neighborhood every other week. I noticed the bus driver shortage start during Covid, but why now? Haven't the stimmy checks run out yet? Why don't people want to work?

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I believe you need a CDL to be a bus driver.

Several things have happened to make it where we have no where near enough CDL drivers:
1) regulations changed and made it significantly more expensive and time consuming to get one
2) lots of people are retiring who have CDLs (not just long haul stuff either)
3) all the ARPA money and construction money flowing in makes it to where there is a ton of demand for CDL drivers on dump trucks, etc

So, you end up with a situation where your school system is competing with contractors who pay way more.

You need a Class B for bus versus the more typical Class C CDLs most think of when thinking of truck drives. Believe the requirements are even tougher in some ways.

Wages are a function of how much it costs me to pay someone to show up regularly to work and do a good job.

The idea that lower wage means lower effort on a particular job is asinine and completely flawed logic. If the job requires more effort, then yes it typically pays more. But paying a low effort individual a higher wage does not magically make them a high effort worker. Thats why there are menial jobs for menial salaries and higher paying jobs for higher effort workers.

Thought there are exceptions, thems the principles of wage rate. Now, in a time of economic prosperity and growth, higher wages can occur for same effort as the competition for workers increases. In harder times, the reverse is true. The Commie Socialist DNC believes higher wages should exist with no regard to job requirements and performance of the worker. They then further f this up with paying a competitive wage for folks to sit on their butkus.

We are at max Dem influence and heading for serious hard times. This younger generation is about to get the poop slap of a lifetime when it comes to earning potential, spending power, and lifestyle. Good luck dumb millennials you voted for this.

padreislandagfan said:

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I saw a post this morning from neighborhood app, it read " daughter needs recommendation for work from home job, she has anxiety and doesn't like public spaces". I replied" she may be ready to be institutionalized if she can't function in society". That's when the fight started.

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Funny and true! The "Nextdoor" site for my area is filled with unhinged persons who comment so often that they are either unemployed or grifting on the job. Moreover, they are aggressively opinionated and resort to personal insults when comments from others effectively challenge them.

Another thing. The mods are very liberal in their politics and social mores, and don't hesitate to delete comments from conservatives and ban them from commenting.

For these reasons and others, I will never post a comment, but I will very selectively read the site to find out what is happening in my neighborhood.

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MouthBQ98 said:

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The wage compression issue is annoying me. I like my work a lot, and don't care to move up higher in the business I am working in because of that, but as the unskilled labor rates have increased, our skilled technical labor rates at the field level have not kept pace, and there is considerable wage compression occurring. Eventually, many workers like me will move out of these roles to either do something much easier for almost the same pay, or something different entirely seeking a pay increase.

This happens every time there is a labor shortage, and it has the effect of further reducing the pool of skilled labor on top of unskilled labor.

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This. My wife can barely keep vet techs hired because they only make $15-20 an hour for a skilled job that can be pretty demanding at times. It's tough when you can just go up the road and flip burgers or work at Buc-ees and make the same money while turning your brain off.

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Same story everywhere. I have an acquaintance with a small engineering firm. He can't keep drafters more than about 10 months, even paying them $80k+.

Madman said:

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My perspective on my current work environment.

NOTHING F WORD WORKS! NOTHING!

Prior to covid our top management started cutting heads and changing the way we do work and interact with customers. Now my company is a horrible mess.

We can't keep good people mid mgmt on down. New hires in customer service make it through training, work for two months then never show up again. Warehouse people same.

Sales was gutted and many high performers were replaced with low paid warm bodies. Our factories can't produce product at the same pace. Our engineers have been tasked with spending 25% or so of their time on non engineering work.

I can't blame any employee or customer who doesn't want to be a part of this circus.

And when I talk to other people in my space they say the same things about their industries and companies.

So I have some empathy. I would leave my company yesterday if I wasn't so attached to a major project I am running.

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This 100%! The MBA 101 playbook is at fault. US industry is so stuck on short term profits that when idiots shut down the economy and the reaction is fast acting layoffs, you end up with where we are now. Smart money took care of their folks during the pandemic, if they could at all. They didn't turn them over to the government. It was apparent early after the WHO pandemic declaration that if you held on and sacrificed short term profits to keep people that you would be much better off than canning folks to match revenue that changed once the pandemic was declared. If it lasted more than a year or two the way it started we were all screwed anyway. W. Edwards Deming is rolling over in his grave. We could use a little "Out of the Crisis" right now.

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The idea that lower wage means lower effort on a particular job is asinine and completely flawed logic. If the job requires more effort, then yes it typically pays more. But paying a low effort individual a higher wage does not magically make them a high effort worker. Thats why there are menial jobs for menial salaries and higher paying jobs for higher effort workers.

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Also current effort does not reflect the previous effort used to become effective at your job. Its the 'overnight success after 20 years' and 'i make this look easy' issue.

DarkBrandon0111 said:

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https://www.newsweek.com/nobody-wants-work-these-days-meme-thread-old-1726774?amp=1

Boomers have been complaining that no one wants to work since the dawn of time. People want to work, but they won't work for a crappy wage. It cost a good wage to get a good worker. Pay crappy wages and get crappy workers. It's that simple. The decline in productivity shows that workers are finally getting the compensation they deserve.

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If you want more money then you need the government to get out of the way.

Businesses have so much HR, compliance, and red tape and taxes from the government it sucks unnecessary resources out of the business that COULD be going toward paying productive employees.

I would rather fire 75% of my HR and compliance personnel and get rid of my compliance contractors, and pay my productive employees more.

But as a business owner I can't because I have to maintain my compliance to keep the doors open and protect the business in case I get sued.

But the millennials demand these positions stay in the company so that they have someone to ***** to if someone uses their wrong pronouns and other bs.

sharpdressedman said:

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The "Nextdoor" site for my area is filled with unhinged persons who comment so often that they are either unemployed or grifting on the job. Moreover, they are aggressively opinionated and resort to personal insults when comments from others effectively challenge them.

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You could say the same thing about TexAgs!

Please define what a skill less job is. Manual Laborers have the skill of being strong and having physical endurance. Waitresses have the skill of communication. Cooks have to memorize recipes. Gardeners have to be creative.

But apparently sitting in a chair all day doing excel and Microsoft word is more skillful according to society.

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Please define for me what a good wage is for an 18 year old with no skills.

Thanks!

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One that doesn't have them end up on government assistance. If government assistance is "too much for them to work" then the wage isn't high enough. Except during COVID, that weekly bonus was STONKS.

The workers of the early 1900s would have pointed and laughed if you tried to say this stuff back then. Were they entitled for wanting child labor to end? For wanting fairer wages? For wanting the weekend?

Wanting fair compensation does not make you entitled. Corporate culture has brainwashed a generation into thinking that wage doesn't matter and that loyalty is the most important thing and that people should just be grateful for the wage they get and sacrifice their time and energy for the company.

The company does not care about you. They would pay you pennies if the market and laws allowed them. They exist to squeeze as much labor while paying as little as possible. It's up to the workers to collectively bargain and balance this out. That was how the middle class was built in the 50s, but unfortunately it is dying out because of declining union membership created by corporate bootlicking culture.

DarkBrandon0111 said:

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The workers of the early 1900s would have pointed and laughed if you tried to say this stuff back then. Were they entitled for wanting child labor to end? For wanting fairer wages? For wanting the weekend?

Wanting fair compensation does not make you entitled. Corporate culture has brainwashed a generation into thinking that wage doesn't matter and that loyalty is the most important thing and that people should just be grateful for the wage they get and sacrifice their time and energy for the company.

The company does not care about you. They would pay you pennies if the market and laws allowed them. They exist to squeeze as much labor while paying as little as possible. It's up to the workers to collectively bargain and balance this out. That was how the middle class was built in the 50s, but unfortunately it is dying out because of declining union membership created by corporate bootlicking culture.

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Yet labor participation rates are at record lows. If what you say is actually the case (it's not but let's pretend) then things are going swimmingly for laborers.

That is so damned funny. Made my day.

DarkBrandon0111 said:

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Please define what a skill less job is. Manual Laborers have the skill of being strong and having physical endurance. Waitresses have the skill of communication. Cooks have to memorize recipes. Gardeners have to be creative.

But apparently sitting in a chair all day doing excel and Microsoft word is more skillful according to society.

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Have to applaud this one. Too often the real skills of the most humble of positions and people are just overlooked or taken for granted. Pay doesn't always reflect what is put into something.

There is nothing simple about yardmen that are also able to rebuild a fallen wall in a day.

Only true deadbeats, those not doing anything and expecting stuff --- are `skill less.'

jdavault said:

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Please define for me what a good wage is for an 18 year old with no skills.

Thanks!

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Wages depend on the job, not the person. With that said, maybe $5.00?

BlueSmoke said:

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This is why I push my 16/14 yr old kids so much

• Highly competitive sports - national and international travel and competition
• Multiple sports at a time
• Physical conditioning - I go to the gym with them and smoke them as best I can
• Very defined household chores
• 16 old has a job
• Church is not an option to miss
• They handle all their own paperwork - signing up for school stuff, medical records, etc. They have to manage all of it and we review before its sent
• Managing a budget, and now for the 16yr with a car, expenses and maintenance

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Concepts to live by for all of us, no matter our age.

CNC machinists with any kind of experience want $42/hr right now. I can't begin to wrap my mind around that.

And when that cost gets pushed to end user, we see a higher cost of goods. But that's not problematic - just ask darkBrandon. We gotta stick it to "boomer".... whatever TF that means.

DarkBrandon0111 said:

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The workers of the early 1900s would have pointed and laughed if you tried to say this stuff back then. Were they entitled for wanting child labor to end? For wanting fairer wages? For wanting the weekend?

Wanting fair compensation does not make you entitled. Corporate culture has brainwashed a generation into thinking that wage doesn't matter and that loyalty is the most important thing and that people should just be grateful for the wage they get and sacrifice their time and energy for the company.

The company does not care about you. They would pay you pennies if the market and laws allowed them. They exist to squeeze as much labor while paying as little as possible. It's up to the workers to collectively bargain and balance this out. That was how the middle class was built in the 50s, but unfortunately it is dying out because of declining union membership created by corporate bootlicking culture.

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Actually, they are dying out because if Crony Capitalism. This is what is killing small business. The mega corps control the federal regulations that work to benefit those who can pay the lobbyists.

The unions did a great job of helping relieve the ridiculous requirements and near slavery of the past. Government regulation of the right level caught up to ensure a fare work environment, which removed the need for the unions.

Now we are n a place of over-regulation, and over-compensation for benefits to those that do not work.

The pendulum has swung too far o. Several different planes. And the unions were too corrupt.

DarkBrandon0111 said:

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Please define what a skill less job is. Manual Laborers have the skill of being strong and having physical endurance. Waitresses have the skill of communication. Cooks have to memorize recipes. Gardeners have to be creative.

But apparently sitting in a chair all day doing excel and Microsoft word is more skillful according to society.

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Well for one, accountants generally have some training that makes them better at that job. You know, a skill. You of all people should know what skills accountants have and why they're paid more.

DarkBrandon0111 said:

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The workers of the early 1900s would have pointed and laughed if you tried to say this stuff back then. Were they entitled for wanting child labor to end? For wanting fairer wages? For wanting the weekend?

Wanting fair compensation does not make you entitled. Corporate culture has brainwashed a generation into thinking that wage doesn't matter and that loyalty is the most important thing and that people should just be grateful for the wage they get and sacrifice their time and energy for the company.

The company does not care about you. They would pay you pennies if the market and laws allowed them. They exist to squeeze as much labor while paying as little as possible. It's up to the workers to collectively bargain and balance this out. That was how the middle class was built in the 50s, but unfortunately it is dying out because of declining union membership created by corporate bootlicking culture.

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Yes. You get what you are worth and not a penny more. No safety net. No welfare. No unemployment. No free healthcare.

You only get what someone is willing to pay you and nothing else. Work or starve.

DarkBrandon0111 said:

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Please define what a skill less job is. Manual Laborers have the skill of being strong and having physical endurance. Waitresses have the skill of communication. Cooks have to memorize recipes. Gardeners have to be creative.

But apparently sitting in a chair all day doing excel and Microsoft word is more skillful according to society.

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The jobs you listed can be done just as well by teenagers. Heck many parents handle such tasks (chores) afterwork. Could the manual labors, cooks, waitresses, and gardeners do your job?

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jdavault said:

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Please define for me what a good wage is for an 18 year old with no skills.

Thanks!

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One that doesn't have them end up on government assistance. If government assistance is "too much for them to work" then the wage isn't high enough. Except during COVID, that weekly bonus was STONKS.

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No, if government assistance is too much for them to work, then government assistance is too high. The market would take care of itself if we stopped giving people $ for doing absolutely nothing.