Consensus is not a scientific notion. Its a social/political term

captkirk said:

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Consensus is not a scientific notion. Its a social/political term

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It is something for morons and fake scientists; something the world of geology has understood since it made the mistake of the initial "consensus" against the idea of drifting continental plates. Only to have it know understood as a key explanatory concept.

captkirk said:

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Consensus is not a scientific notion. Its a social/political term

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Absolutely! I'm a scientist. Whatever I agree to could lead to a consensus total. Consensus is NEVER necessary in science. If your work is correct and can be duplicated, then THAT is the true proof of science. Not consensus. If you asked scientists 1000 years ago if the world was flat, the consensus would be yes.

So the opinion of scientists means Jack unless they can produce data that can be reproduced by any other scientist.

titan said:

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captkirk said:

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Consensus is not a scientific notion. Its a social/political term

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It is something for morons and fake scientists; something the world of geology has understood since it made the mistake of the initial "consensus" against the idea of drifting continental plates. Only to have it know understood as a key explanatory concept.

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As a geologist, I STILL don't think we have a firm grasp of what is going on. Geology is a very young science that still relies on many understandings that are wrong. Not to derail, but geology works so slow that we have to extrapolate what might have happened based on what we are looking at. Also, our entire foundation is based on guesses that nobody can test for or disprove because we don't live that long. When we date a layer, we rely on fossils present that some other geologist guessed when they were around. We speculate a LOT and that is based on historical speculation. It's like having a science that is based on a Jenga tower of. Ideas. If one of those ideas proves to be untrue, it may or may not topple the tower of our understanding.

Even the Chinese understand Green Energy is a growing job and profit-making market.

CO2 absorbs infrared energy and depending on a global O&G market dominated by Saudis, Russia, Iraq, Iraq, Venezuela for economic stability is not a good thing. Neither is rising sea level.

The Earth will survive. Most of its existence is without ice caps. But the Pentagon understands CC is in the top 3 of future threats for war.

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What is even more scary to me is that some people have faith that the same government that can't even solve the most basic of day to day problems could somehow control the temperature of the earth if only we give them enough money and power. Its maddening.

Liberalism is a failed experiment

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Touche! Also, it's the people that can't even control their OWN bank accounts, but think they can control Mother Nature. Are these people bat sh*t crazy?

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Technically nobody can control their own bank account

In fact, The lack of recognition, imo, is the cause for innumerable problems in the public.

You don't control your bank account, the bank does. And the second your personal ESG score goes low enough, you'll see what you were blind to before.

10thYrSr said:

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titan said:

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captkirk said:

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Consensus is not a scientific notion. Its a social/political term

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It is something for morons and fake scientists; something the world of geology has understood since it made the mistake of the initial "consensus" against the idea of drifting continental plates. Only to have it know understood as a key explanatory concept.

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As a geologist, I STILL don't think we have a firm grasp of what is going on. Geology is a very young science that still relies on many understandings that are wrong. Not to derail, but geology works so slow that we have to extrapolate what might have happened based on what we are looking at. Also, our entire foundation is based on guesses that nobody can test for or disprove because we don't live that long. When we date a layer, we rely on fossils present that some other geologist guessed when they were around. We speculate a LOT and that is based on historical speculation. It's like having a science that is based on a Jenga tower of. Ideas. If one of those ideas proves to be untrue, it may or may not topple the tower of our understanding.

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Entirely agree. I will throw you one you will recognize- -- the concept or idea that volcanoes like Novarupta and Katmai are "joined" is alot more in flux than it was in 1912. We are finding our understanding of volcanic magma chambers has been somewhat off, to say the least, with a great deal of mystery remaining about just what causes the change that can make dormant go to active.

titan said:

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10thYrSr said:

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titan said:

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captkirk said:

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Consensus is not a scientific notion. Its a social/political term

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It is something for morons and fake scientists; something the world of geology has understood since it made the mistake of the initial "consensus" against the idea of drifting continental plates. Only to have it know understood as a key explanatory concept.

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As a geologist, I STILL don't think we have a firm grasp of what is going on. Geology is a very young science that still relies on many understandings that are wrong. Not to derail, but geology works so slow that we have to extrapolate what might have happened based on what we are looking at. Also, our entire foundation is based on guesses that nobody can test for or disprove because we don't live that long. When we date a layer, we rely on fossils present that some other geologist guessed when they were around. We speculate a LOT and that is based on historical speculation. It's like having a science that is based on a Jenga tower of. Ideas. If one of those ideas proves to be untrue, it may or may not topple the tower of our understanding.

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Entirely agree. I will throw you one you will recognize- -- the concept or idea that volcanoes like Novarupta and Katmai are "joined" is alot more in flux than it was in 1912. We are finding our understanding of volcanic magma chambers has been somewhat off, to say the least, with a great deal of mystery remaining about just what causes the change that can make dormant go to active.

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It's like trying to predict where the next bubble will form in a pot of boiling water. We can look with our eyes and see bubbles are coming up from a point on the pan's bottom with some consistency, but there are also bubbles coming up from other points on an irregular basis.

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This 1000 times. They can't even get a three day forecast right. Much less the next 20 years.
It started off as global warming. That got shut down with facts so now it got renamed " climate change" so much utter BS... typical hypocrisy.... if it snows more it's climate change, if it doesn't snow enough it's climate change. Too much rain.... climate change....no rain cause climate change..tornado.. climate change.... high winds due to climate change.... so damn stupid.

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Exactly. That was an early phase of alienation from W administration. It was him that let the DNC-MSM shift from the term `Global Warming' which at least keeps them claiming something specific, and insert the self evidently self-refuting "climate change" which any 20th C graduate of High School (not necessarily true in the 21st) knows is one reason WHY Earth is favorable for life. The climate change rather than being fixed.

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n Las Vegas, Nevada, it's come to this: climate change has helped make water ever more scarce, so under a new Nevada law, the grass has got to go. "When we look at outdoor water use in Southern Nevada, landscaping far and away is the largest water user, and of that, it's grass," said Bronson Mack of the Las Vegas Water Authority.

The city's already pulled up about four million square feet of grass on public property so far this year, because thirsty green parkways are something they just can't afford anymore.

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Here's a little secret: They never could afford grass.

It's not climate change (Sam Kenison voice) IT'S BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN A F***ING DESERT, YOU MORONS!!!!

They've always been in a desert, that climate hasn't changed. They also can't afford golf courses and huge fountains at the casinos.

US politicos and global elites: The problem is we need to move off unsustainable non renewable energy sources or people will starve and die.


Also US politicos and global elites: The solution is to kill as many people as possible by any means possible to reduce global population. Problem solved.

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What is incredible is that people are now becoming convinced that we need to limit food production in order to protect the planet. People around the world are already starving and they want to reduce food production.

This is stupidity being promoted by people that are convinced that they are really really smart.

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They need to be more concerned with food waste and not supporting individuals that consume WAY more than necessary to maintain a healthy weight. I guess they don't like to focus on the problem though…

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Yep, food waste is a problem. But I am not that worried about that. I would rather have to much and let it go to waste than to not have enough.

I believe that the real problem is a food distribution problem. The surplus food often seems to be far away from where it is needed. Also, if there is a crop failure in one part of the world we should have excess food elsewhere to make up for the shortage.

But, reducing our food production in order to save the planet will only result in not having excess food to ship to areas of shortage. We are assuring that there will be starvation in parts of the world. Stupidity. Utter Stupidity.

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If you think for a second that the globalist here and abroad will not demand that the US allow its own citizens to starve in order to ship food to 3rd world ****holes so that regional warlords can continue to survive you haven't been paying attention to how Utopia works to leftists.

EVERYONE except for themselves starves equally.

Ags4DaWin said:

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PaulC_80 said:

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JohnLA762 said:

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PaulC_80 said:

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What is incredible is that people are now becoming convinced that we need to limit food production in order to protect the planet. People around the world are already starving and they want to reduce food production.

This is stupidity being promoted by people that are convinced that they are really really smart.

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They need to be more concerned with food waste and not supporting individuals that consume WAY more than necessary to maintain a healthy weight. I guess they don't like to focus on the problem though…

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Yep, food waste is a problem. But I am not that worried about that. I would rather have to much and let it go to waste than to not have enough.

I believe that the real problem is a food distribution problem. The surplus food often seems to be far away from where it is needed. Also, if there is a crop failure in one part of the world we should have excess food elsewhere to make up for the shortage.

But, reducing our food production in order to save the planet will only result in not having excess food to ship to areas of shortage. We are assuring that there will be starvation in parts of the world. Stupidity. Utter Stupidity.

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If you think for a second that the globalist here and abroad will not demand that the US allow its own citizens to starve in order to ship food to 3rd world ****holes so that regional warlords can continue to survive you haven't been paying attention to how Utopia works to leftists.

EVERYONE except for themselves starves equally.

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That's nuts. There just seems no reason why such wouldn't then be pulled down. Especially in a natrion conceived by rebellion. Its actually a duty here, the Founders laid it out.

Our country has gotten so far away from its roots we barely resemble anything akin to the culture that existed even 30 years ago.

And yeah...it seems nuts now....but when you have American politicians actively campaigning on demanding the US voluntarily fall on a sword to protect other nation's interests.... our country has now jumped the shark.

What do you mean there? If you mean Ukraine, it is far more routine for us to blow vast amounts of money and weapons to some cause. That isn't as sinister because not really new. Its even sometimes outright profiteering or laundering or both. Or did you mean a different sword?

I mean that it's a natural progression of things.

Our politicians campaigned on rejoining the Paris Climate accords when it did nothing but hurt the US.
They demanded we send Ukraine billions in money and weapons that got laundered through the corruption there- only 30% getting to its sources even while we deal with massive inflation at home.
We have incentivized farmers to not produce in the past but now other countries (and make no mistake we will soon be following) are demanding farmers not produce at all for the good of the global community.
We feed and clothe and house illegals and give them free phones because they are brown while American born children continue to starve.

I could go on...but it's late and this will be long.

I am realizing more and more that this whole "western white men should step aside and allow space for other people to flourish" was a method of conditioning our populace for the next stage.

And that was extended further as a test during rona. We must all "do our part" to stop it. Sacrifice your business. Sacrifice your job. Sacrifice holding your mom's hand while she dies for the good of everyone. Don't go to church because it will result in spread. Even after it was clear these measures did nothing, the conditioning stayed in place. Show your nobility by giving up everything you value.

That stage is when these policies lead to a global food shortage.

And when that happens, what will occur is that the UN and our own politicians will call for every country to redistribute their foodstuffs equitably across the globe based on "need and historical oppression"

Which will create starvation here at home as we ship a huge portion of our food overseas.

And the elites and CM's will justify it by telling themselves that our poor and starving are making the noble and necessary sacrifice to make up for years of western colonial/imperial oppression.

Yuri Bezmenov- in order to create social upheaval and revolution you must first create crisis. Prior to the crisis you must demoralize the people in order to break their will and create a social psychosis so that when the real crisis comes people are willing to accept and even welcome the proposed revolution regardless of what that revolution means.

Global starvation will be the crisis. Rona was not the crisis. Rona was the demoralizer. I am astounded on a day to day basis (and I work with alot of people in Healthcare on the daily) and people's ability to cope with pain and everyday stress has plummeted to elementary school levels. The smallest thing breaks them now.

So when the food shortage happens all the sheep will do whatever the government tells them to.

Thus the New World Order is brought to fruition.

Very tin foil hat.

But the WEF has pretty much laid out the fact that this is their plan.

So yeah..starvation will happen here in the greatest food producing country the world has ever seen...but not because we don't have enough food to feed americans....because our politicians will voluntarily send it to other countries.

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Poor wording on my part.

My point being since China and India are building a new coal fired generating plant every two weeks, what good does it do for the planet to have America bankrupt ourselves to reduce our carbon?

Why is Apple making iPhones in China instead of the US, good for the planet? It's insane!

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So we can whine about China having awful ESG scores and feel good about ourselves for outsourcing all forms of manufacturing abroad for 40 years....

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10thYrSr said:

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titan said:

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captkirk said:

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Consensus is not a scientific notion. Its a social/political term

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It is something for morons and fake scientists; something the world of geology has understood since it made the mistake of the initial "consensus" against the idea of drifting continental plates. Only to have it know understood as a key explanatory concept.

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As a geologist, I STILL don't think we have a firm grasp of what is going on. Geology is a very young science that still relies on many understandings that are wrong. Not to derail, but geology works so slow that we have to extrapolate what might have happened based on what we are looking at. Also, our entire foundation is based on guesses that nobody can test for or disprove because we don't live that long. When we date a layer, we rely on fossils present that some other geologist guessed when they were around. We speculate a LOT and that is based on historical speculation. It's like having a science that is based on a Jenga tower of. Ideas. If one of those ideas proves to be untrue, it may or may not topple the tower of our understanding.

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Entirely agree. I will throw you one you will recognize- -- the concept or idea that volcanoes like Novarupta and Katmai are "joined" is alot more in flux than it was in 1912. We are finding our understanding of volcanic magma chambers has been somewhat off, to say the least, with a great deal of mystery remaining about just what causes the change that can make dormant go to active.

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You both would probably enjoy this:

My College Geology Thesis was about studying gravitational differences over space to map active faults in the PNW.

Have tried to explain that gravity differs all around the world and this is the map I've been waiting for!

Quick explainer as to why 🧵 https://t.co/Ke7cogjBff

— Ben Justman (@BJusty1) August 6, 2022

You are right, that is a fascinating speculation. Exactly the kind of thing that is `who knows yet'? type of theory. True science would look at it and see if it is testable. We know so little objectively about gravity it will not surprise at all if some base assumptions about it are found wrong. At this stage kooky idea vs genius insight will still be a little unclear to tell apart.

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I mean that it's a natural progression of things.

Our politicians campaigned on rejoining the Paris Climate accords when it did nothing but hurt the US.
They demanded we send Ukraine billions in money and weapons that got laundered through the corruption there- only 30% getting to its sources even while we deal with massive inflation at home.
We have incentivized farmers to not produce in the past but now other countries (and make no mistake we will soon be following) are demanding farmers not produce at all for the good of the global community.
We feed and clothe and house illegals and give them free phones because they are brown while American born children continue to starve.

I could go on...but it's late and this will be long.

I am realizing more and more that this whole "western white men should step aside and allow space for other people to flourish" was a method of conditioning our populace for the next stage.

And that was extended further as a test during rona. We must all "do our part" to stop it. Sacrifice your business. Sacrifice your job. Sacrifice holding your mom's hand while she dies for the good of everyone. Don't go to church because it will result in spread. Even after it was clear these measures did nothing, the conditioning stayed in place. Show your nobility by giving up everything you value.

That stage is when these policies lead to a global food shortage.

And when that happens, what will occur is that the UN and our own politicians will call for every country to redistribute their foodstuffs equitably across the globe based on "need and historical oppression"

Which will create starvation here at home as we ship a huge portion of our food overseas.

And the elites and CM's will justify it by telling themselves that our poor and starving are making the noble and necessary sacrifice to make up for years of western colonial/imperial oppression.

Yuri Bezmenov- in order to create social upheaval and revolution you must first create crisis. Prior to the crisis you must demoralize the people in order to break their will and create a social psychosis so that when the real crisis comes people are willing to accept and even welcome the proposed revolution regardless of what that revolution means.

Global starvation will be the crisis. Rona was not the crisis. Rona was the demoralizer. I am astounded on a day to day basis (and I work with alot of people in Healthcare on the daily) and people's ability to cope with pain and everyday stress has plummeted to elementary school levels. The smallest thing breaks them now.

So when the food shortage happens all the sheep will do whatever the government tells them to.

Thus the New World Order is brought to fruition.

Very tin foil hat.

But the WEF has pretty much laid out the fact that this is their plan.

So yeah..starvation will happen here in the greatest food producing country the world has ever seen...but not because we don't have enough food to feed americans....because our politicians will voluntarily send it to other countries.

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That's a sobering assessment. It has to be hoped that some of that is very mis-read, or sees coordination where instead you have converging groupthink on the Left. If it actually is an institutionally directed conspiracy -- ala proving the Breitbart right correct in areas for example -- then its really serious danger to people's present offspring and grandkids.

There is an answer though, for example this:

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I am realizing more and more that this whole "western white men should step aside and allow space for other people to flourish" was a method of conditioning our populace for the next stage.

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Embrace some cultural or even race protectionism in turn. Time to start treating that message itself as hostile. Anyone speaking anti-white should now be seen as an Islamist was in October 2001. Simply the enemy, and the declarations and positions less important to that first fact. This should be seen as even more true the richer the anti-white messenger is, and especially if a setter of narrative/policy (politician, media, education) and with a wary eye on Entertainment as a fourth leg (see the woke destruction of much good sci-fi and Marvel)

On this day in history, August 8, 1975, 'global warming' enters scientific and political debate

The prospect of abrupt climate change was one of Broecker's most transformative ideas. In 1970, Broecker and Columbia graduate student Jan van Donk published a study of ocean sediment cores that revealed for the first time the tempo of glacial-interglacial cycles: large ice sheets take tens of thousands of years to grow, but melt rapidly. The discovery launched decades of research into the cause of this nonlinear behavior. Current work shows that the climate changes associated with these transitions were indeed large (15 C of warming near the poles), fast (taking just a few decades), and intimately coupled with changes in ocean circulation, at the surface and deep down. The climate system, Broecker noted in 1998, is like "an angry beast and we are poking it with sticks" as we pour greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

On 8 August 1975, Broecker published a paper in Science entitled 'Climate change: Are we on the brink of a pronounced global warming?' (W. S. Broecker Science 189, 460463; 1975). It was the first scientific use of 'global warming, something he did not want to be remembered for. He later offered a reward to anyone who could find an earlier usage. The paper was remarkably well timed, however: global temperatures have risen consistently above baseline values since 1976.


ABSTRACT:

If man-made dust is unimportant as a major cause of climatic change, then a strong case can be made that the present cooling trend will, within a decade or so, give way to a pronounced warming induced by carbon dioxide. By analogy with similar events in the past, the natural climatic cooling which, since 1940, has more than compensated for the carbon dioxide effect, will soon bottom out. Once this happens, the exponential rise in the atmospheric carbon dioxide content will tend to become a significant factor and by early in the next century will have driven the mean planetary temperature beyond the limits experienced during the last 1000 years.

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And the "cure" for Global Warming is even more insane:

1) Reducing America's carbon footprint to equal the time when the pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock.

2) Allowing China and India to a build coal plant every two weeks and do anything thing else they want. That's one third of the worlds population that is rapidly increasing its carbon effluents.

3) Ending fossil fuels for America with absolutely no alternative to replace it.

4) Bankrupting America and Americans by making energy costs soar resulting in more offshoring of manufacturing and the end of the middle class. (The jobs are moving to cheap electricity… China, India Vietnam…. no western/green countries).

5) Raising our taxes further to implement green energy crap made in China where electricity is cheap due to coal generated electricity.

It's really either pure corruption, total ignorance of both. Frankly, I think China bought our politicians. Senators and House members must work for China and Soros because their policies are killing Americans and Americans and strengthening our enemies. .

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Also stop volcanic eruptions.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/money/topstories/water-vapour-sent-into-stratosphere-by-tonga-eruption-could-temporarily-heat-up-earth/ar-AA10gbgf?fromMaestro=true

Well climate change is a complete hoax, so there's that.

This is interesting. And considering some of the other science ideas in the 70's a little unsettling.

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So the big question that comes to mind is whether this has been competently followed-up. It almost sounds like Al Gore latched onto this rather than promoted it.

Maybe we'll all live long enough to see us freeze to death because we went too far with it.

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The dates just keep getting pushed into the future while the climate-change mafia continues the hysterical rhetoric that humans will kill Earth.

The worst part is their argument can't be challenged. They have positions everywhere to cry climate change.

Too much/little rain: CC
Too hot/cold: CC
Too many tornados: CC
Omg, not enough tornadoes: CC
My dog farts too much/not enough: CC

When will they realize that sensationalizing this to scare people into believing is actually counter productive to their goal (assuming they really do believe in CC). Something something the boy that cried wolf…

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Even the Chinese understand Green Energy is a growing job and profit-making market.

CO2 absorbs infrared energy and depending on a global O&G market dominated by Saudis, Russia, Iraq, Iraq, Venezuela for economic stability is not a good thing. Neither is rising sea level.

The Earth will survive. Most of its existence is without ice caps. But the Pentagon understands CC is in the top 3 of future threats for war.

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Then war is inevitable because even our most economically extreme proposed changes will affect the near term projected warming and warming effects by a couple of percent, and that is decades or centuries into the future. Our answer can't be mitigation alone, because we simply can't do it with near term technology. We must adapt to the reality of changed climate as it is already inevitable.

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I am just thankful that another $1T or so, and we'll have more stability in our weather.

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Yes, next time you see a tornado or a hurricane you just look right up it and say ha ha gotcha!

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The dates just keep getting pushed into the future while the client-change mafia continues the hysterical rhetoric that humans will kill Earth.

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Yep they keep changing what's going to happen as in cold versus hot or rising floods or lowering waters and the dates, etc.

Nothing has happened and nothing is going to happen.

Climate Scam.

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Even the Chinese understand Green Energy is a growing job and profit-making market.

CO2 absorbs infrared energy and depending on a global O&G market dominated by Saudis, Russia, Iraq, Iraq, Venezuela for economic stability is not a good thing. Neither is rising sea level.

The Earth will survive. Most of its existence is without ice caps. But the Pentagon understands CC is in the top 3 of future threats for war.

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Then war is inevitable because even our most economically extreme proposed changes will affect the near term projected warming and warming effects by a couple of percent, and that is decades or centuries into the future. Our answer can't be mitigation alone, because we simply can't do it with near term technology. We must adapt to the reality of changed climate as it is already inevitable.

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This Pentagon is not that likely to win a major war. If one happens on its watch, look for an initial clocking like WW I or the worst phases of the blitzkrieg because its a cinch the enemy will do something out of the comprehension of the alphabet agenda oriented box. (Or it might resemble the initial Union incompetence in the Civil War despite superior numbers and means)