Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

The world has spent a lot of time and energy on first world problems in places that really don't have that luxury. CO2 emissions and theoretical climate problems for future generations will suddenly seem much less urgent when people don't have food to eat or energy to heat their homes or electricity.

Yeah but at least liberals got to sit on their high horses and feel extra good about themselves.

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Elected Democrats are evil and have stated policies that will cause chaos, famine, poverty, and untold death and destruction. It's already happening.

I wish our resident Democrats would open their eyes to this and quit stupidly voting Democrat.

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at this point no one is "stupidly" voting for democrats

they know exactly what they are voting for.

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Coming to America. Will our farmers fight it like the Dutch? Probably not. They're already so deep in government subsidies to grow this crop and not that crop it seems like they might be too fearful to stand up against the oat and most dangerous oppression to come. Will the public support the farmers as they are in Europe? Not sure.

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Tell me you know absolutely nothing about American farmers or agriculture, without telling me you know absolutely nothing about American farmers and agriculture.

Clueless.

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Speak for yourself. American farmers will eat it up in exchange for subsidies and tax incentives. They'll give up their livelihoods and like it. They have no backbone.

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To say that farmers (and ranchers or other agriculturists) have no backbone is absolutely laughable.

They run their livelihoods on weather, land that is too expensive to be able to buy and finance relative to the production it sustains, live excluded from most of society, have higher rates of depression and suicide than almost any other career, and do all of the for a meager yearly income that often is below the poverty line. And throw on top of that a society that has no care -- is willing to tell the farmer that everything they do is wrong -- all while the farmer's products is completely essential to all of life.

I've spent the better part of 7 years trying to make our place work with tremendous advantages compared to most. And it's basically a loss.

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Not disagreeing with the thrust of the article but the Sri Lanka story is distorted. The government going to organic farming was not really a choice as much as a consequence of lacking the capital to purchase foreign made fertilizers.

I also don't know the reason behind the limitation of fertilizer use in the Netherlands but suspect it may be again a consequence of the inability to source it. Nitrogen fertilizers come from natural gas, something which Europe isn't exactly flush with right now. (Example here: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-21/crunch-time-for-pricey-fertilizers-squeezing-european-farmers)

The ugly truth is that the Russian invasion all but guaranteed that food will be scarce and expensive for many places in the world soon. However the US simply isn't one of them.

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It sometimes crosses my mind that the Russian invasion is part of the great reset plan. It is a great way to trigger world food shortages. Putin was/is a WEF young leader member.

One of the tenets of climate control is population control and two the biggest in reducing populations is starvation and war.

How can you feed the world with insects and vegetables without agriculture? There would have to be bug farms and expanded vegetable farms and they would also need supplements and fertilizers. The whole idea is ridiculous but once again it's all about money, power, & control. It's just a little different twist on the whole climate change con.

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Coming to America. Will our farmers fight it like the Dutch? Probably not. They're already so deep in government subsidies to grow this crop and not that crop it seems like they might be too fearful to stand up against the oat and most dangerous oppression to come. Will the public support the farmers as they are in Europe? Not sure.

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Tell me you know absolutely nothing about American farmers or agriculture, without telling me you know absolutely nothing about American farmers and agriculture.

Clueless.

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Speak for yourself. American farmers will eat it up in exchange for subsidies and tax incentives. They'll give up their livelihoods and like it. They have no backbone.

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Tell us you don't know any farmers or ranchers... oh wait, you just did

THIS IS CRAZY

The Netherlands are saying they will have to shut down over 11 000 farms in order to meet the nitrogen climate goals.

In other words they are planning on shutting down around 1/5 of all farms in the country.

Farmers are saying they will continue to protest.

— PeterSweden (@PeterSweden7) August 7, 2022

Yes, 'if you control carbon, you control everything.'

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The beauty of climate change, if you're a wannabe totalitarian, is that, because carbon is one of the building blocks of life, if you control carbon, you control everything. To understand how this works, you must pay attention to what is happening in the Netherlands, where the government is planning to seize 20% of livestock farms, all in the name of climate change.

Holland was once a bastion of liberty on a continent that was subject to total monarchal control and riven by religious wars. It wasn't freedom as we have come to understand it in America but, after they threw off Spanish control, the Dutch allowed faiths other than Calvinism within their borders. There was a reason the Puritans fled there first, although they eventually wanted the complete freedom the New World offered them for practicing their particular Protestantism. That sturdy, self-sufficient, independent, sort-of-free little nation is gone.

Now, livestock farmers are up in arms because they've finally realized that their government is about to seize their land, all in pursuit of "nitrogen reduction." We've heard about the protests, but Peter of Sweden is the first person I've seen who breaks down the numbers and explains what's really happening (and it's about power more than "climate change"):

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According to calculations done by the Finance ministry, a whopping 11 200 livestock farmers will be forced to shut downby the government to reduce nitrogen emissions in order to meet European environmental rules. Another 17 600 farmers would need to reduce the amount of animals they keep to meet these climate goals.

And this is bad. Because there are about 54 000 farms in the Netherlands, meaning that around 1/5 of all farms will be forced to shut down and almost 1/3 of farms forced to scale down and reduce livestock.

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Quite obviously, the government's move will severely constrict food supplies, which are already likely to diminish due to fertilizer shortages resulting from the Ukraine war. I'm assuming that those who complain will be told that they need to learn to eat grasshoppers. The irony, of course, is that grasshoppers need to eat too: And what they eat is the greenery that is best fed by CO2 and fertilizer.

In addition to setting out the specific numbers, which are utterly appalling, Peter of Sweden applies the correct label to what we're witnessing in Holland (which is also what both Canada and Ireland plan to do too):

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The state is planning on forcing farmers to sell their farms to the state (buying them out). State sanctioned appropriation of farms and land. Now where have I heard about that kind of thing before…? Oh yes, under Communism.

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If you control carbon emissions (who can produce them and who cannot), you control everything.

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That "Peter of Sweden" thread is quite good.

The Scarecrow from the horror movie franchise says "say when"

Who sets "nitrogen climate goals" and it really seems they would be more dispensable than 11,000 farms.