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Is there any consensus yet whether the first round vaccines (not later or boosters) were just a almost useless placebo but thus also relatively innocuous, or are they harmful? Enough time seems to have passed.

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no consensus, but more evidence that regardless of whether you got vaxxed OR caught virus unvaxxed, you may have been damaged by the weird ass spike proteins.

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Okay, that makes sense. And because the vax "installed" the `weird ass spike proteins' -it was like catching covid. Got it.

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I like that word "Installed" because that is sort of what the vaxes did. The mRNA Vaxes taught your body to make the "Spike Protein" and then your body was supposed to recognize the Spike Proteins as a bad thing and then mount a defense against them.

Was I the only one that questioned the entire idea of teaching your body to make the Spike Protein as possibly a Terrible Idea ? ? ?

When even some of the "Experts" admitted they did not really know how long your body would make the Spike Protein I thought that could become a really big problem.

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J&J vax 4TW.

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PaulC_80 said:

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Experts say booster shots are key to stopping BA.5 in its tracks

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I seem to recall that all the so called experts agreed that the vax is almost useless against the latest variant.

Supposedly the new updated vax that might or might not actually work against the latest variant is not expected to be ready until the fall. They for some reason do not mention the fact that BA-5 may be history and we will have BA-6 or even BA-7 by the time the Fall Boosters show up.

The fact that more and more studies are coming out that show the Vax might be causing numerous health issues such as Heart Attacks, Cancers, Blood Clots, Immune Deficiencies, etc. Those studies are being completely ignored by these so called experts. There is also a lot of evidence coming to light that the most vaxed seem to be getting Covid at higher rates than the unvaxed. Also being ignored by these people.

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Is this referring to the original round of vax, or is it the constant "boosters" that are the subject of memes?

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From what I understand the original vaxes and the boosters are basically the same. None are really effective against the latest variants. The tweaked/modified vaxes targeted for BA-4 and BA-5 are not expected to be available until the Fall. My point was that the virus will have probably moved on to another variant by then. Which means it will likely be of little use too.

The fact that the vax is becoming more and more associated with other maladies is also a problem that is being ignored. The general consensus seems to be the more shots of these vaxes the more likely you are going to develop something you do not want. But, that has not been proved. But, taking multiple shots of something that might cause you problems seems like a dumb thing to do.

Yeah they can go screw themselves.

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Experts say booster shots are key to stopping BA.5 in its tracks

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I seem to recall that all the so called experts agreed that the vax is almost useless against the latest variant.

Supposedly the new updated vax that might or might not actually work against the latest variant is not expected to be ready until the fall. They for some reason do not mention the fact that BA-5 may be history and we will have BA-6 or even BA-7 by the time the Fall Boosters show up.

The fact that more and more studies are coming out that show the Vax might be causing numerous health issues such as Heart Attacks, Cancers, Blood Clots, Immune Deficiencies, etc. Those studies are being completely ignored by these so called experts. There is also a lot of evidence coming to light that the most vaxed seem to be getting Covid at higher rates than the unvaxed. Also being ignored by these people.

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Is this referring to the original round of vax, or is it the constant "boosters" that are the subject of memes?

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From what I understand the original vaxes and the boosters are basically the same. None are really effective against the latest variants. The tweaked/modified vaxes targeted for BA-4 and BA-5 are not expected to be available until the Fall. My point was that the virus will have probably moved on to another variant by then. Which means it will likely be of little use too.

The fact that the vax is becoming more and more associated with other maladies is also a problem that is being ignored. The general consensus seems to be the more shots of these vaxes the more likely you are going to develop something you do not want. But, that has not been proved. But, taking multiple shots of something that might cause you problems seems like a dumb thing to do.

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And it becomes beyond asinine for an age group that has no appreciable risk from the actual disease (baby to 30's/40's)

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That's the newest biggest crock of crap.

The only way we'll ever "end" Covid is with natural immunity.

If the covid vaccines have proven anything, it's that they don't work. I am convinced that it is the vaccinated who are the incubators for new strains.

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We are never ending Covid. Natural immunity doesn't work either. It's a coronavirus and like other coronaviruses "immunity" of any kind is very short lived.

The good news is that it appears that once our bodies have gone been exposed to the protein spike caused by either natural infection or vaccine, we are way less likely to have severe reaction to infection.

Yeah bull. No

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That's the newest biggest crock of crap.

The only way we'll ever "end" Covid is with natural immunity.

If the covid vaccines have proven anything, it's that they don't work. I am convinced that it is the vaccinated who are the incubators for new strains.

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We are never ending Covid. Natural immunity doesn't work either. It's a coronavirus and like other coronaviruses "immunity" of any kind is very short lived.

The good news is that it appears that once our bodies have gone been exposed to the protein spike caused by either natural infection or vaccine, we are way less likely to have severe reaction to infection.

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Not sure I agree with the "natural immunity doesn't work either" statement. I've been to 3 superspreader events and have walked away clean every time. I've been in close contact, road in cars, and been to dinners where the majority of people have gotten it and walked away clean every time. My wife has had it twice as well and I've only had it once back in August/September 2022.

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I am convinced that it is the vaccinated who are the incubators for new strains.

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If thought this for a while now based on personal observation.

Seems like the people that struggle with covid the most are the most vaccinated and boosted.

The biggest lie is they keep implying or suggesting through policy that the vaccines inhibit the transmission and spread of the disease without outright saying it. They still talk as if "we can do it", but they no longer say what that it is because they are well aware that the vaccines have no hope of establishing any type of social immunity effect. They are purely an individual protection against severe reaction in vulnerable individuals, and that would resolve down to a personal safety choice, and mean that there is NO reason for policies affecting group behavior related to vaccination requirements.

My only concern is this lie becomes obvious and they try to go back to the ineffective masking bullcrap.

"Did you exchange a walk on part in the war
For a lead role in a cage?"

Time is now for the short rope/tall tree

"Experts" must be named and their recommendations specified or quoted.

Appeals to anonymous authorities should be ignored.

How is getting a booster for a variant 3-4 generations ago going to stop you from getting BAwhatever?

It clearly isn't stopping any of the quadruple vaxxed from getting it and the narrative has officially shifted from "you won't get COVID" to "you'll still get it but you probably won't die"

So by their own admission the current booster won't prevent you getting COVID and being a "variant incubator"

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How is getting a booster for a variant 3-4 generations ago going to stop you from getting BAwhatever?

It clearly isn't stopping any of the quadruple vaxxed from getting it and the narrative has officially shifted from "you won't get COVID" to "you'll still get it but you probably won't die"

So by their own admission the current booster won't prevent you getting COVID and being a "variant incubator"

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Bingo! I still believe the originals worked against the original COVID. That's irrelevant now with the variants starting with Delta. While it appears from all credible studies that the vaccines do help make severe cases less frequent, there is no real reason for healthy individuals to get it with the now prevalent strains going around. It seems EVERYONE can get the crap, which means EVERYONE - vaccinated or not - can be an incubator.

Because the vaccines do not prevent infection, every single person who contracts it becomes a vessel for mutation. This was talked about early on when it was incorrectly assumed the vaccines would prevent infection. The media was pumping the story that those who weren't immune would be mutation factories.

However, now that we know the vaccine doesn't prevent infection, every single person who contracts it IS a potential mutation factory. Full circle, they're lying by stating that only those non-vaccinated will be the sole source of potential mutations.

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Because the vaccines do not prevent infection, every single person who contracts it becomes a vessel for mutation. This was talked about early on when it was incorrectly assumed the vaccines would prevent infection. The media was pumping the story that those who weren't immune would be mutation factories.

However, now that we know the vaccine doesn't prevent infection, every single person who contracts it IS a potential mutation factory. Full circle, they're lying by stating that only those non-vaccinated will be the sole source of potential mutations.

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If they are correct that the vaccine makes for a milder infection. Then conceivably more virulent strains would come from the vaccinated in which a variant that might kill a non-vaccinated host and end there is carried on and passed to others.

I believe this is the premise behind the danger of "leaky vaccines

one of the 20-something staff member at my company got covid. This is his email to the group about his WFH status

"I thought I was experiencing some allergy symptoms as I left work today, but I still decided to take COVID tests since the low pollen counts didn't add up. Unfortunately, the tests all came back positive. My symptoms are currently very mild (thanks, Pfizer), ...... "

I really wanted to reply and tell him his symptoms are mild b/c HE IS NOT FAT AND UNDER 65 but decided to just let it go.

This country is lost.

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How is getting a booster for a variant 3-4 generations ago going to stop you from getting BAwhatever?

It clearly isn't stopping any of the quadruple vaxxed from getting it and the narrative has officially shifted from "you won't get COVID" to "you'll still get it but you probably won't die"

So by their own admission the current booster won't prevent you getting COVID and being a "variant incubator"

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Bingo! I still believe the originals worked against the original COVID. That's irrelevant now with the variants starting with Delta. While it appears from all credible studies that the vaccines do help make severe cases less frequent, there is no real reason for healthy individuals to get it with the now prevalent strains going around. It seems EVERYONE can get the crap, which means EVERYONE - vaccinated or not - can be an incubator.

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Is this really true though? 99.9% of people who got covid in 2020 (before vaccine)survived just fine without a hospital visit. Have the numbers really changed with the vaccine (the one that prevented infection and spread until it didn't, then prevented serious illness and kept you out of the hospital until it didn't)??

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"The danger of not vaccinating, over the last couple of weeks, has significantly increased because the prevalence of the illness has gone up substantially," Kevin Dieckhaus, chief of the division of infectious diseases at UConn Health, tells CNBC Make It.

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Data suggest that these lineages could be more transmissible than previous Omicron sublineages. However, there is no evidence currently available to suggest that BA.4 and BA.5 cause more severe disease than other variants or Omicron lineages.

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Interesting.

But science says that viruses become less lethal as they mutate over time...

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But science says that viruses become less lethal as they mutate over time...

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Left wing science thinks 2+2=5.

It's why we can't have anything nice anymore or trust almost any institution since they own most of them.

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From that article:

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"The danger of not vaccinating, over the last couple of weeks, has significantly increased because the prevalence of the illness has gone up substantially," Kevin Dieckhaus, chief of the division of infectious diseases at UConn Health, tells CNBC Make It.

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Data suggest that these lineages could be more transmissible than previous Omicron sublineages. However, there is no evidence currently available to suggest that BA.4 and BA.5 cause more severe disease than other variants or Omicron lineages.

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Interesting.

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The CDC also released an info-graphic on how to have safe sex with monkeypox. No where on that graphic were the words "abstain" presented. The CDC is a joke at this point.

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From that article:

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"The danger of not vaccinating, over the last couple of weeks, has significantly increased because the prevalence of the illness has gone up substantially," Kevin Dieckhaus, chief of the division of infectious diseases at UConn Health, tells CNBC Make It.

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From the CDC:

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Data suggest that these lineages could be more transmissible than previous Omicron sublineages. However, there is no evidence currently available to suggest that BA.4 and BA.5 cause more severe disease than other variants or Omicron lineages.

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Interesting.

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The CDC also released an info-graphic on how to have safe sex with monkeypox. No where on that graphic were the words "abstain" presented. The CDC is a joke at this point.

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They are an absolute joke. But as a leftist, compromised organization when they publish the conservative position then it must be true.

Biden's COVID - and the Left's actions and reactions - completely debunks everything they ever told us.

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If you haven't gotten your Covid booster shot yet, public health experts say BA.5 is a prime reason to get it and soon.

The Covid subvariant appears to be the virus's most transmissible strain thus far, powering a nationwide surge in new cases that hasn't slowed since March. That's a problem, even as hospitalizations and deaths remain relatively low: The longer Covid circulates, the more likely it is to mutate into a form that's both transmissible and severe.

Experts say booster shots are key to stopping BA.5 in its tracks, and all Americans age 5 and older are eligible five months after completing their primary vaccine series. But only 48.1% of eligible people in the U.S. have actually gotten boosted, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data. More than 100 million lag behind, a problem for health officials already mulling the authorization of a second booster for most U.S. adults.

"The danger of not vaccinating, over the last couple of weeks, has significantly increased because the prevalence of the illness has gone up substantially," Kevin Dieckhaus, chief of the division of infectious diseases at UConn Health, tells CNBC Make It.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/20/covid-vaccine-booster-shots-can-fight-bapoint5but-millions-arent-boosted.html

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Mutation of the deadly partthe spike proteinis what makes it more transmissible. It's not passage in humans that makes a virus more deadly, it's when a virus jumps species or, like the flu, the virus gets parts of its genome (recombines) with a non-human relative.

For example, Pigs have flu receptors similar to both birds and humans. Bird influenza and human influenza can infect a single pig cell and create a new strain that is infectious to humans but has bird flu genes. That's how nasty flu strains arise.

The left is collectively losing their ***** It's fantastic!

Hey dipshi+, you know what you can do with that vaccine and booster?????? Stick it up your monkey pox riddled *******!

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When no one gets boosted, vaxed, jabbed or whatever they want to call it and the cold i passes through these witch doctors should be burned at the stake for pushing evil medicine.

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english translation?

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Was my sarcasm more sensational than our overlords?

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and the cold i passes through these witch doctors

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Geoag58 is wielding big magik against these satanic witch doctors (just my guess).

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We're all going to die!!!!!

Is that better?

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Nope. I don't like these witch doctors and hope they get brought to justice for pushing obvious poison.

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Is there any consensus yet whether the first round vaccines (not later or boosters) were just a almost useless placebo but thus also relatively innocuous, or are they harmful? Enough time seems to have passed.

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If you are referring to the trials, we will never know.

The control group was inoculated after the results were published, thus eliminating any way to study such a thing.

I have never heard of such a destructive research action in any other scientific analysis. When I learned that this was done, my jaw physically dropped open.

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one of the 20-something staff member at my company got covid. This is his email to the group about his WFH status

"I thought I was experiencing some allergy symptoms as I left work today, but I still decided to take COVID tests since the low pollen counts didn't add up. Unfortunately, the tests all came back positive. My symptoms are currently very mild (thanks, Pfizer), ...... "

I really wanted to reply and tell him his symptoms are mild b/c HE IS NOT FAT AND UNDER 65 but decided to just let it go.

This country is lost.

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Bet that guy likes dicks.........