Malibu2 said:
Silian Rail said:
Malibu2 said:
BAP Enthusiast said:
Malibu2 said:
Your assertion that promiscuity cannot be judge has not been proven. This is a logical fallacy that you were committing over and over again in this thread.
This is exactly what the left says all of the time constantly, everywhere. It's continuous on Social media and dating apps. Not only that, it's straight up glorified.
Wait, you read something on social media and all of a sudden that supposed to mean something as far as what the body politic of the left is supposed to think about sexual mores and morality? Do I have to respond to every dumbass on Twitter who says something stupid because they vote for candidates that I vote for?
Confession time. I once asked for prayers as a 16-year-old boy because I had lustful thoughts and was concerned for my immortal soul. That kind of sexual purity culture is toxic, and is rampant in evangelical Christianity. The idea that you should just go around sleeping with as many people as you want without any concern Is also toxic. If you if you want me to choose which one is more toxic I'll probably choose promiscuity is more harmful than believing that an interest in boobies is grounds for eternal torture.
You asked for prayers not to have lustful thoughts and you thought that was bad?
Yes, it is bad. We are biologically hardwired to notice women and be sexually interested. There's nothing shameful or evil about that, it's toxic guilt with the looming threat of eternal punishment for merely having the same biological urges that are shared by almost everyone on the planet. Making teenagers feel like there is something not just wrong with them, but actually evil that they must cast out is harmful.
And no, that doesn't mean I'm advocating for an all you can eat porn buffet, carte blanche to be an ogling creeper, or permission to sew wild oats. I just recognize human sexuality as perfectly normal and Christian attempts to shame it ipso facto are in fact toxic.
Once again, with your posts, there are so many things wrong with them, its extremely difficult to plan out an attack. Not only are there misstatements of fact, but there are underlying beliefs that are, in fact, untrue. While I can't speak for how everyone feels about everything, what you described isn't normal, at least not in the mainstream Christian church. I ought to know; I've been in one my entire life.
First of all, you are correct about the hardwiring thing. It sort of defeats some of your other stuff on other threads, but we'll leave that aside for now.
Second, there's no "eternal punishment for merely having" anything, urges or otherwise. Whether you want to call it punishment or not, what there IS eternally is separation from God. But that isn't anything different than what sin is here and now, in a not so eternal life on earth: separation from God. But guess what: we are ALL sinners and separated. It doesn't matter what our urges are or even whether we act upon them. There's only one way to bridge that separation and that is through Jesus Christ. If you want to think of that as avoiding eternal punishment, fine, but I prefer to think of it as the way to eternal life.
Now, if you choose not to believe that, or want to put it in another, more worldly acceptable way (i.e. nonsensical and certainly unBiblical), that's fine. We all have free will. But don't misstate what it is. And there is certainly nothing toxic about it.
Finally, there is nothing scripturally that I am aware of that categorizes sins as a being better or worse -- its all imperfection and something God detests. And that's what we all are -- imperfect. People that have a hard time accepting that are going to love the sin (or themselves) more than they love God. That's a choice THEY make, and the consequences of that choice, not what other Christians are saying about those consequences, is really what is bothering the people you speak of. NO ONE is saying the teenagers you speak of are evil; you are flat out making that up. But sin, as I said earlier, is something that can not be any part of God and must be forgiven. There's only one way to forgive sin in God's eyes, and that's through the shedding of innocent blood. In Old Testament times, it was through sacrifices of animals, etc. But through the New Covenant, Jesus Christ became the sacrifice and all we have to do is accept his as our Lord and Savior. Call forgiveness of sin "casting out" if you want to, but it involves a simple prayer and request for such forgiveness. Sort of like being at a restaurant and asking for a drink refill, but in this case, it has eternal repercussions.
Again, free will says you or anyone else do/does not have to accept it or believe. You can call this false doctrine or teaching if you want to. I don't care. I believe it, and nothing you say can change that.
HOWEVER, NOT ONE WORD OF WHAT I WROTE HERE IS IN ANYWAY HARMFUL, to you or anyone else. That's just nuts. The only harm what I wrote here is doing is to leftist and humanistic ideology. The more people that believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the fewer that are going to be led astray by that nonsense. We're pretty aware it is for that reason you think what I say here is "harmful."
