https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/florida-family-electric-car-problem-replacement-battery-costs-more-vehicle.amp

"…A family in Florida drove into a major problem after buying a used electric vehicle: the replacement battery for their dead car wound up costing more than the used car was purchased for."

"Avery Siwinski is a 17-year-old whose parents spent $11,000 on a used Ford Focus Electric car, which is a 2014 model and had about 60,000 miles when it was bought, according to KVUE."

"The teenager had the car for six months before it began giving her issues and the dashboard was flashing symbols."

"…the family eventually found out that the car's battery would need to be replaced.
The problem? A battery for the electric car costs $14,000, according to the news outlet."

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And that's assuming you can locate a replacement battery in today's problematic supply chain environment.

This is the 'you're saying nuclear is bad because of 60 year old reactors, modern stuff is cool' argument.

Modern lithium will recharge several thousand times. If that's every other day, that's way over 10 years.

Esteban du Plantier said:

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This is the 'you're saying nuclear is bad because of 60 year old reactors, modern stuff is cool' argument.

Modern lithium will recharge several thousand times. If that's every other day, that's way over 10 years.

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It's not the charge that's the problem necessarily, it's the rate at which they're charging and discharging. It may work like that under ideal 1c in, 1c out, but not under high amperage demands in changing weather conditions.

I've put top quality race batts on drones before( talking 150$ a pack for a sub 1 amp 4cell lipo).... under competition conditions you're lucky to get a couple dozen charge cycles.

Batt life has much more to do with how it's been abused.

It's a ****ty car Ford made fewer than 4,000 of… by comparison, Tesla had shipped 3,000,000 vehicles.

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It's a ****ty car Ford made fewer than 4,000 of… by comparison, Tesla had shipped 3,000,000 vehicles.

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And a replacement battery pack for a Tesla is over $20000. The point is the same, replacement batteries cost a lot. The price will come down over time, and battery life will increase as technology improves, but this is the reality of today.

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Manhattan said:

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It's a ****ty car Ford made fewer than 4,000 of… by comparison, Tesla had shipped 3,000,000 vehicles.

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And a replacement battery pack for a Tesla is over $20000. The point is the same, replacement batteries cost a lot. The price will come down over time, and battery life will increase as technology improves, but this is the reality of today.

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/liberals

That is a high price to pay to fill up landfills.

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It's a ****ty car Ford made fewer than 4,000 of… by comparison, Tesla had shipped 3,000,000 vehicles.

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And? Both are battery powered, both will require expensive battery changes. Are we seriously advocating for disposable cars now?

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It's a ****ty car Ford made fewer than 4,000 of… by comparison, Tesla had shipped 3,000,000 vehicles.

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It happens to Teslas too.

You're an idiot if you buy a ev car with an expectation to drive it for a long time. Or buy a used one. The real value if used ev's will start to crash when the extent of these extra costs to replaces become better known.

Used BEV battery pricing is going to absolutely be a huge issue moving forward. Ford is now saying a replacement for the F-150 electric version is $25K in 2022 dollars. That's a high volume model, and in 5-8 years you can bet that price for an out-of-production model battery will be well north of $40K.

The mfg's want vehicles to be disposable just like phones; to them it's a feature, not a glitch.

Seriously considering starting a recycling outfit for EVs (battery ad whole car) because it will soon be a quick way to make millions.

When you create a car that is an appliance, don't be shocked when people treat it like one.

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It's a ****ty car Ford made fewer than 4,000 of… by comparison, Tesla had shipped 3,000,000 vehicles.

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And in 2022 a certain percentage have needed battery replacements.

Eventually 100% will as well.

So how does Tesla vs Ford make any bit of difference?

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It's a ****ty car Ford made fewer than 4,000 of… by comparison, Tesla had shipped 3,000,000 vehicles.

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wow

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Used BEV battery pricing is going to absolutely be a huge issue moving forward. Ford is now saying a replacement for the F-150 electric version is $25K in 2022 dollars. That's a high volume model, and in 5-8 years you can bet that price for an out-of-production model battery will be well north of $40K.

The mfg's want vehicles to be disposable just like phones; to them it's a feature, not a glitch.

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I've been wondering about the OP scenario from the get-go. If you buy a used EV near or after the end of battery warranty, who takes the hit for the required battery replacement. In the OP case, the buyer took the hit. But as word gets out, the re-sale value will plummet i would expect. No way I'm paying normal depreciation for an EV and taking that kind of hit to replace the battery.

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You're an idiot if you buy a ev car with an expectation to drive it for a long time. Or buy a used one. The real value if used ev's will start to crash when the extent of these extra costs to replaces become better known.

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Used car costing more to fix than it was purchased for
is NOT a new problem.

Idiot family ( Of course it happened in Florida ) spent way too much on a used Car not knowing what it would cost to fix

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Manhattan said:

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It's a ****ty car Ford made fewer than 4,000 of… by comparison, Tesla had shipped 3,000,000 vehicles.

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And in 2022 a certain percentage have needed battery replacements.

Eventually 100% will as well.

So how does Tesla vs Ford make any bit of difference?

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The battery management tech in a Tesla is miles ahead of a 2014 Ford Focus. It isn't uncommon for a Tesla to get 300 to 500 thousand miles out of the battery.

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Manhattan said:

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It's a ****ty car Ford made fewer than 4,000 of… by comparison, Tesla had shipped 3,000,000 vehicles.

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And in 2022 a certain percentage have needed battery replacements.

Eventually 100% will as well.

So how does Tesla vs Ford make any bit of difference?

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The battery management tech in a Tesla is miles ahead of a 2014 Ford Focus. It isn't uncommon for a Tesla to get 300 to 500 thousand miles out of the battery.

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You're as predictable as benfiasco.

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It's a ****ty car Ford made fewer than 4,000 of… by comparison, Tesla had shipped 3,000,000 vehicles.

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uhhhh, the car is 8 years old, which is about the expected life of an EV battery, regardless of vehicle.

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Manhattan said:

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It's a ****ty car Ford made fewer than 4,000 of… by comparison, Tesla had shipped 3,000,000 vehicles.

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And in 2022 a certain percentage have needed battery replacements.

Eventually 100% will as well.

So how does Tesla vs Ford make any bit of difference?

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The battery management tech in a Tesla is miles ahead of a 2014 Ford Focus. It isn't uncommon for a Tesla to get 300 to 500 thousand miles out of the battery.

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why does Tesla only offer an 8 year warranty on battery then?

How many Teslas have 300K miles on them?

Inferior non modular designs intended to look more like conventional cars people are used to and be designed to make manufacturing cheap and the vehicle as light as possible.

Current electric car designs are essentially disposable, even if long lasting. Designed to be used until a significant failure, then scrapped.

Terribly not environmentally sound, long term, in my view. If the major components were more standardized and modular, which is extremely easy with electric motors and batteries, components replacement could be very easy.

But, they might not look all cool like a status symbol car.

Anyone paying attention realizes evs are a scam

The business model is a failure without artificial prop via govt subsidy

Not surprising a certain someone that has pushed other govt overreach programs is now all in on evs that require extensive subsidy

Many years ago I bought an '07 Civic hybrid for cheap off of someone in the neighborhood who was moving out of the country and needed to offload it quick. My plan was to take advantage of their situation somewhat by buying it cheap, then cleaning it up and flipping it.

The GD hybrid battery pack ended up being on its last legs and I ended up buying a refurb'd pack to get it in decent enough shape. Ended up selling to TDA and basically broke even.

And that was just a tiny hybrid battery, not a full EV pack. Lesson learned. Never again.

I drive a 2010 Ford Fusion hybrid. 190,000 miles. Best car I've ever owned. Now here's the amusing part: Several years ago the EV mode stopped working properly. I took it to a dealership and they said "Ford knows about it"....and left me to assume that a fix was in the works. A month ago, while checking the internet for any news of a fix, I ran across a forum for Fusion owners and discovered that a fix was not coming from Ford. They had intentionally programmed the car to do this after 9 years. My assumption is that they didn't expect the battery to last any longer than this. The good news is that in the same post, the dude explained how to fix the problem. I had to buy a $26 interface cable for my laptop and $12 piece of software. I connected it all up to the car's diagnostic port and told the ***KING CAR THAT THE BATTERY WAS A YEAR OLD........poof....EV mode is back and the car works perfectly.

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You're an idiot if you buy a ev car

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Manhattan said:

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It's a ****ty car Ford made fewer than 4,000 of… by comparison, Tesla had shipped 3,000,000 vehicles.

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And in 2022 a certain percentage have needed battery replacements.

Eventually 100% will as well.

So how does Tesla vs Ford make any bit of difference?

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The battery management tech in a Tesla is miles ahead of a 2014 Ford Focus. It isn't uncommon for a Tesla to get 300 to 500 thousand miles out of the battery.

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Do you have a source for a Tesla going this many miles with a single battery pack?

I'm skeptical but open to being wrong.

Edit: nevermind. Google shows a lot of Tesla's at high miles.

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It's a ****ty car Ford made fewer than 4,000 of… by comparison, Tesla had shipped 3,000,000 vehicles.

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You do realize EV batteries are made by the same 3 companies right.

Also simple google search states 1.9 million Teslas shipped. So you were only 1.1 million off.

At least research before spouting bs.

Aside from defects and outliers, the battery packs should degrade on a fairly consistent slope with use depending on how well the charge management and discharge use has been moderated. Aggressive driving and frequent partial charges will degrade the packs faster.

They're giant bundles of standard lithium ion battery cells hard wired in banks designed to keep cool enough to operate at the highest density possible. They could be designed to be more serviceable, but most Americans, most people, use a car like an appliance instead of a capital purchase.

Push the cost of owning a vehicle up so much so you eliminate the middle class from being able to own a vehicle. That certainly takes away a large portion of freedom.

That is what the progressives want: Joe American Patriot being pacified and without any real means to conduct independent life.

$14,000 / $3.75 = 3,733 gallons of gas @ 20 mpg = 74,667 miles. @ 1,000 miles / month, that's over 6 years worth of gas. And that's at today's price.

I don' know how many years you get on a battery for an EV, but $14,000 just to replace the battery is incredibly high.

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$14,000 / $3.75 = 3,733 gallons of gas @ 20 mpg = 74,667 miles. @ 1,000 miles / month, that's over 6 years worth of gas. And that's at today's price.

I don' know how many years you get on a battery for an EV, but $14,000 just to replace the battery is incredibly high.

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You're not even including the cost of the electricity to charge it for 6 years.

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Seriously considering starting a recycling outfit for EVs (battery ad whole car) because it will soon be a quick way to make millions.

When you create a car that is an appliance, don't be shocked when people treat it like one.

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Already being done..

Batteryhookup.com

Sells used lipo and lifepo4 batteries mostly for RVs and DIY power walls.