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Faustus said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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No, they are not on our level. Tons of kids there who couldn't get into our school. Also silly that we are ranked #68. The rankings are complete horsesh**.

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SMU is harder to get into going by acceptance rate, and SMU's incoming students have better SAT scores on average than A&M's.

A&M's acceptance rate is 63%, and half of the the applicants admitted have an SAT score between 1160 and 1380.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/texas-am-university-college-station-10366/applying

SMU's acceptance rate is 53%, and half of the the applicants admitted have an SAT score between 1250 and 1450.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/smu-3613/applying

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Yeah man everyone is dying to get into SMU/sungleass emoji

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A&M is more attractive to a lot of students than Rice. It doesn't change the fact that Rice is harder to get into, and its students have better test scores. The same is true of SMU judging by the metrics.

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huh? NO one cares about getting into SMU..Rice is for nerds with no life/sungless emoji


Also did it ever occur to you the SAT socres are lower for new aggies students because of the 10% rule.....no way you have a degree from UT

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Tom Doniphon said:

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Artorias said:

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TAMU used to be better. Since it has become a diploma mill in recent years, not so much.

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Amongst the dumbest **** that gets repeated here.

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Really is. If you have kids who have recently gone through A&M they have no issues getting good jobs.

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That was not the topic of discussion.

Tom Doniphon said:

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Artorias said:

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TAMU used to be better. Since it has become a diploma mill in recent years, not so much.

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Amongst the dumbest **** that gets repeated here.

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No, it isn't.

The school overall isn't anywhere close to what it used to be, and frankly the culture and soul of the school are all but dead because of the stupidity that requires automatic acceptance, eliminating the legacy points and turning it into a diploma mill.

I mean, we are on up there with Arizona State in terms of number of students. That isn't somethign to be proud of.

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Tom Doniphon said:

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Artorias said:

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TAMU used to be better. Since it has become a diploma mill in recent years, not so much.

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Amongst the dumbest **** that gets repeated here.

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Respectfully disagree.

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And you would be wrong.

A&M is hard to get into. I mean really hard to get into compared when we got in. Even with the move to a wholistic view for admissions, it made things even worse. And if you're one of the lucky ones to get in outside of the top 10 percent, you have to survive ETAM in Engineering, survive Chem119, Chem120, Bio111 and Bio112.

Kids from A&M are still highly sought after from everyone. I mean, companies fight for them. Even with the BS with liberal arts, which is so insignificant, A&M still produces the best STEM related kids that the O&G and tech companies want.

I would venture to say that the diplomas that were given out prior to 2000 were trash versus the ones that are given out now.

I don't know what to think about the current state of A&M entrance requirements. All I know is I would not get in under current requirements.

I would have to take my talents to the SEC these days.

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Tom Doniphon said:

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Artorias said:

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TAMU used to be better. Since it has become a diploma mill in recent years, not so much.

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Amongst the dumbest **** that gets repeated here.

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No, it isn't.

The school overall isn't anywhere close to what it used to be, and frankly the culture and soul of the school are all but dead because of the stupidity that requires automatic acceptance, eliminating the legacy points and turning it into a diploma mill.

I mean, we are on up there with Arizona State in terms of number of students. That isn't somethign to be proud of.

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Arizona only has 3 state schools to serve its population. Tempe must have lots of land to serve it's kids.

And the last time I checked, no employer asked me how many generations of Aggies I came from.

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Most of their grads view it as Harvard of the south. Not joking

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Cocaine is a hell of a drug

Charpie said:

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CDUB98 said:

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Tom Doniphon said:

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TAMU used to be better. Since it has become a diploma mill in recent years, not so much.

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Amongst the dumbest **** that gets repeated here.

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Respectfully disagree.

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And you would be wrong.

A&M is hard to get into. I mean really hard to get into compared when we got in. Even with the move to a wholistic view for admissions, it made things even worse. And if you're one of the lucky ones to get in outside of the top 10 percent, you have to survive ETAM in Engineering, survive Chem119, Chem120, Bio111 and Bio112.

Kids from A&M are still highly sought after from everyone. I mean, companies fight for them. Even with the BS with liberal arts, which is so insignificant, A&M still produces the best STEM related kids that the O&G and tech companies want.

I would venture to say that the diplomas that were given out prior to 2000 were trash versus the ones that are given out now.

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Sigh. I'll say this again.

We're not talking a about how difficult it is to get in, nor the job prospects students have.

We're talking about our perceived prestige, and like it or not, it does matter outside of TX.

You got any statistics to back that assertion up?

Out of State applications are still through the roof, and a record number of them are rejected because we are educating our own kids.

The State of Texas has grown by 40% from 2000 to 2020 according to the census. That is likely a lot higher considering the low return rate of surveys for the census in 2020. Should A&M not grow on pace with the state? I mean they are a state school.

And our perceived prestige? By who?

Alan Combs Zombie said:

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Faustus said:

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Alan Combs Zombie said:

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Faustus said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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No, they are not on our level. Tons of kids there who couldn't get into our school. Also silly that we are ranked #68. The rankings are complete horsesh**.

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SMU is harder to get into going by acceptance rate, and SMU's incoming students have better SAT scores on average than A&M's.

A&M's acceptance rate is 63%, and half of the the applicants admitted have an SAT score between 1160 and 1380.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/texas-am-university-college-station-10366/applying

SMU's acceptance rate is 53%, and half of the the applicants admitted have an SAT score between 1250 and 1450.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/smu-3613/applying

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Yeah man everyone is dying to get into SMU/sungleass emoji

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A&M is more attractive to a lot of students than Rice. It doesn't change the fact that Rice is harder to get into, and its students have better test scores. The same is true of SMU judging by the metrics.

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huh? NO one cares about getting into SMU..Rice is for nerds with no life/sungless emoji


Also did it ever occur to you the SAT socres are lower for new aggies students because of the 10% rule.....no way you have a degree from UT

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True, I'm a Rice grad.

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I will wager that the top 1000 students entering TAMU have as high test scores as any other schools top 1000 in the entire nation. Not the average SAT score of all students. Just take the top 1000.

I have supervised engineers from Rice and some are ok but some have been fired due to not dressing properly and not coming to work on schedule.


Rice has approx. 5000 to 6000 students. TAMU has 70,000. A point many do not want to admit is that when a school is "ranked" higher it means that they are providing excellent instruction and the professors are better at delivering that instruction. I do not believe that in regard to Rice, SMU, Stanford, Harvard, etc. Get my point.

Is it the entering student with high average SAT scores or is it the institution's ability to improve student knowledge and performance post graduation? What matters is where a student is 20 years after graduation. In that regard TAMU is outstanding.

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The latter is absolutely true.

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Tom Doniphon said:

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TAMU used to be better. Since it has become a diploma mill in recent years, not so much.

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Amongst the dumbest **** that gets repeated here.

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No, it isn't.

The school overall isn't anywhere close to what it used to be, and frankly the culture and soul of the school are all but dead because of the stupidity that requires automatic acceptance, eliminating the legacy points and turning it into a diploma mill.

I mean, we are on up there with Arizona State in terms of number of students. That isn't somethign to be proud of.

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Well my son just graduated and I spent tons of time around him and tons of others from COALS during that time... my experience was vastly different than what you're stating here and those kids absolutely loved TAMC every bit as much as you or I do.... granted, there's more that don't today, and that the culture has been lost on... but that's to be expected as enrollment has grown. There's also a helluva lot more today that do love it - which has also happened with that that same growth.

Diploma mills don't top the list for fortune 500 CEOs.

I can't believe people still worry about these worthless rankings.

Look at the top schools on the list. They are all progressive brain washing **** holes.

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You got any statistics to back that assertion up? Perceived in subjective, not objective. How often do we make fun of other schools' rankings on this very message board? Perception extends beyond just this place. As I already stated, in TX it isn't an issue.

Out of State applications are still through the roof, and a record number of them are rejected because we are educating our own kids. That's great, but how much of that is due to academics versus popularity of our football program? IIRC, this trend started right after Johnny Football

The State of Texas has grown by 40% from 2000 to 2020 according to the census. That is likely a lot higher considering the low return rate of surveys for the census in 2020. Should A&M not grow on pace with the state? I mean they are a state school. No, we don't. We build our system like tu has done. Have their rankings dropped? No. They may very well be infrastructure bound, but either way, they have kept their enrollment fairly steady for several years now, and despite how much I hate that hemorrhoid in the middle of Austin's butthole, we have to give them props academically. A&M should be building up the system schools. UTD has become an academic magnet.

And our perceived prestige? By who?See above

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You and I have been round and round on this both here and other sandboxes. We're never going to agree.

One aspect of A&M that makes its graduates stronger is the deep culture of involvement there.

The drive to be accepted into and eventually lead a student organization is strong. And the tradition of doing in-person interviews for on-campus roles helps prepare students for the business world, regardless of major.

We can make fun of some of those groups but they provide a ton of leadership and learning opportunities for A&M students, giving them confidence and skills for the work world (and helping build out their first post-grad resume).

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No, they are not on our level. Tons of kids there who couldn't get into our school. Also silly that we are ranked #68. The rankings are complete horsesh**.

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SMU is harder to get into going by acceptance rate, and SMU's incoming students have better SAT scores on average than A&M's.

A&M's acceptance rate is 63%, and half of the the applicants admitted have an SAT score between 1160 and 1380.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/texas-am-university-college-station-10366/applying

SMU's acceptance rate is 53%, and half of the the applicants admitted have an SAT score between 1250 and 1450.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/smu-3613/applying

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Lol, this shows you don't know what you are talking about.

SMU has a 53% acceptance rate but virtually all of those are regular admits, meaning you can enter as a Freshman with no restrictions.

A&M's acceptance rate includes ALL of their CONDITIONAL admits. That means Blinn Team, Gateway, and most of all System. A&M admits a ton of kids "Conditionally" and gives them the option of going to an A&M System school for a year with an opportunity to transfer in. Only a small portion of those kids do. Blinn Team and Gateway are much higher percentages of success. If you look at apples to apples though of kids that can go to A&M as a Freshman with no conditions it's about 25% of applicants. If you want to reduce that down to Major it gets REALLY selective if you are talking about Mays or Engineering. For added fun at A&M if you can get into Engineering you have to have an extremely high GPA to get into the most desired Engineering specialties (EE, Computer Eng, Biomedical, Chemical, Mechanical, Petroleum, etc.), North of a 3.5 in your first year.

A school like SMU doesn't do that and most schools don't do that. A&M is unusual that there is bar after bar you have to get over in order to get a degree in some of those specialties. That's also why they have so much value.

BTW, the 2 schools that consistently rank as the most desired by Recruiters are A&M and Penn State because they both are large, highly competitive state schools that don't coddle. Your degree is hard to earn and valuable because of that. The ROI from both schools is outstanding and private schools are losing their value every year, especially schools below the upper tier. A school like SMU has a nice nitche in Dallas and a well respected B School but the general thought on a grad from SMU is they are a coddled rich kid and most companies would rather hire a state school kid.

Good analysis. The competitiveness was there for me many years ago. My class was hungry and we worked. Grading scale was tough on a 3 point system. 92-100 A, 84 -91 B, 76- 83 C, and below 75 D. Tough and no curve.

Having just went through the college admissions process with my oldest I feel like I have a pretty unique perspective. As stated, my son has more maroon in his closet than several of us combined. Loves Jimbo and lives to follow Aggie Football.

I wont bore anyone with the details but he did get the Blinn Team invite. I realize he is a dime a dozen. A pretty damn smart kid with a strong SAT from a lilly white competitive 5A school in the metroplex. A&M made little effort to get him there.

SMU on the other hand was beyond personal and accommodating. Not saying they rolled out the red carpet but the effort was 10x greater than A&M (even more than OU). He got into Cox Business and has not looked back. The opportunities he will have in Finance, Banking, etc when he graduates will be countless. After the $$ they offered we are only paying about $8k more per year than A&M. To us that was a no brainer. Also a small price to pay to not have to endure the woke BS that is all throughout our campus.

I am obviously happy for my son but in some ways it saddens me that a kid like him had to look elsewhere. I guess there is always the grad school option...

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The State of Texas has grown by 40% from 2000 to 2020 according to the census. That is likely a lot higher considering the low return rate of surveys for the census in 2020. Should A&M not grow on pace with the state? I mean they are a state school.

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If the other flagship was also grow at the pace then yes.

Since they're not we shouldn't.

And as a dummy liberal arts major I free ride on you engineers so I need as much prestige as possible

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They are not a major research university, so no.

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This, the ranking is based on a "well rounded" curriculum (amongst other things). TAMUs liberal arts program is not as good as SMU (go figure). One of the reasons that liberal arts merged with the sciences (at TAMU) is to prop up the liberal arts program (or so the administration hopes).

On the culture aspect: when I was in school in the aughts it seemed like a good portion of the student body tried everything we could to step away from our cow college stereotype

Anecdotally, it seems like a big portion of kids now a days are embracing our country school culture when you se a bunch of dudes and hotties in the stands wearing cowboy hats at Kyle field

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On the culture aspect: when I was in school in the aughts it seemed like a good portion of the student body tried everything we could to step away from our cow college stereotype

Anecdotally, it seems like a big portion of kids now a days are embracing our country school culture when you se a bunch of dudes and hotties in the stands wearing cowboy hats at Kyle field

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That is more of an SEC culture thing....

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On the culture aspect: when I was in school in the aughts it seemed like a good portion of the student body tried everything we could to step away from our cow college stereotype

Anecdotally, it seems like a big portion of kids now a days are embracing our country school culture when you se a bunch of dudes and hotties in the stands wearing cowboy hats at Kyle field

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That is more of an SEC culture thing....

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I love it

Some may boast...

Diploma mill is disingenuous considering best young professionals to hire are Aggies and that requires top pay.

Vision 2030?

Every time I read these threads I'm amazed at how myopic some people are.

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TAMU used to be better. Since it has become a diploma mill in recent years, not so much.

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Amongst the dumbest **** that gets repeated here.

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Respectfully disagree.

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And you would be wrong.

A&M is hard to get into. I mean really hard to get into compared when we got in. Even with the move to a wholistic view for admissions, it made things even worse. And if you're one of the lucky ones to get in outside of the top 10 percent, you have to survive ETAM in Engineering, survive Chem119, Chem120, Bio111 and Bio112.

Kids from A&M are still highly sought after from everyone. I mean, companies fight for them. Even with the BS with liberal arts, which is so insignificant, A&M still produces the best STEM related kids that the O&G and tech companies want.

I would venture to say that the diplomas that were given out prior to 2000 were trash versus the ones that are given out now.

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you were doing good until that last paragraph - an A&M stems degree has had value long before you were born - and every stems students who made it had the same class challenges before the 2000s - those have always been weed out classes even down to the class designation listed

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I can't believe people still worry about these worthless rankings.

Look at the top schools on the list. They are all progressive brain washing **** holes.

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I was going to make this point as well. The vast majority of schools are leftist indoctrination camps especially the Ivy's. Harvard is a joke and I would not send my kid there for fear of him becoming a traitor to America.

They aren't really relevant in 2022. I would seriously write off most of the top 10 and push my kid to a larger state school that is not based in a large city.

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I would venture to say that the diplomas that were given out prior to 2000 were trash versus the ones that are given out now.

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I actually missed this somehow.

I'm pretty sure when I graduated with my ME degree, A&M's Mechanical Engineering department was ranked #17 in the nation. Not exactly trash.

Has A&M's "diploma mill" status hurt you somehow?

I say this because unless you were in the top 10 percent of your class, you likely would struggle to even get in now.

A&M used to take pretty much everyone before 1990. Then the top 10 percent and tiers were introduced, which were still relatively easy to achieve. Pretty much anyone who wanted to go to A&M could.

I struggle with the rationale that the fact that there is more kids at A&M somehow makes A&M a diploma mill. tu can't grow. A&M can. A degree from A&M is exponentially harder to get now than it was when we were in school because the caliber of students is better now than it was then.

Hurt me? Depends on who is speaking, but yes, in the professional world, some non-A&M people and people from outside of Texas that I have interacted with think lesser of the degree because of our rankings. When it's just an ignoramous, meh, but when it's a person who makes the decisions on hiring/firing, your ears perk up.

Having answered your question, it will be the last on this and I'll say again, we're never going to agree here and I will not discuss this issue further with you.

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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No, they are not on our level. Tons of kids there who couldn't get into our school. Also silly that we are ranked #68. The rankings are complete horsesh**.

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SMU is harder to get into going by acceptance rate, and SMU's incoming students have better SAT scores on average than A&M's.

A&M's acceptance rate is 63%, and half of the the applicants admitted have an SAT score between 1160 and 1380.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/texas-am-university-college-station-10366/applying

SMU's acceptance rate is 53%, and half of the the applicants admitted have an SAT score between 1250 and 1450.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/smu-3613/applying

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Lol, this shows you don't know what you are talking about.

SMU has a 53% acceptance rate but virtually all of those are regular admits, meaning you can enter as a Freshman with no restrictions.


A&M's acceptance rate includes ALL of their CONDITIONAL admits. That means Blinn Team, Gateway, and most of all System. A&M admits a ton of kids "Conditionally" and gives them the option of going to an A&M System school for a year with an opportunity to transfer in.
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My statements were all taken from the cites directly following the post, so it would be the publications that didn't know what they were talking about.

Here is A&M's website on admissions citing between a 55% to 60% admission rate from 2017-2021 that very clearly does not include conditional admits from the satellite campuses.

https://accountability.tamu.edu/All-Metrics/Mixed-Metrics/Applied,-Admitted,-Enrolled

We had a fairly lengthy thread last December about legacy students where admissions came up.

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3262300/

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TAMU used to be better. Since it has become a diploma mill in recent years, not so much.

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Better for football
I'm in

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No, they are not on our level. Tons of kids there who couldn't get into our school. Also silly that we are ranked #68. The rankings are complete horsesh**.

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SMU is harder to get into going by acceptance rate, and SMU's incoming students have better SAT scores on average than A&M's.

A&M's acceptance rate is 63%, and half of the the applicants admitted have an SAT score between 1160 and 1380.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/texas-am-university-college-station-10366/applying

SMU's acceptance rate is 53%, and half of the the applicants admitted have an SAT score between 1250 and 1450.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/smu-3613/applying

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Lol, this shows you don't know what you are talking about.

SMU has a 53% acceptance rate but virtually all of those are regular admits, meaning you can enter as a Freshman with no restrictions.


A&M's acceptance rate includes ALL of their CONDITIONAL admits. That means Blinn Team, Gateway, and most of all System. A&M admits a ton of kids "Conditionally" and gives them the option of going to an A&M System school for a year with an opportunity to transfer in.
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My statements were all taken from the cites directly following the post, so it would be the publications that didn't know what they were talking about.

Here is A&M's website on admissions citing between a 55% to 60% admission rate from 2017-2021 that very clearly does not include conditional admits from the satellite campuses.

https://accountability.tamu.edu/All-Metrics/Mixed-Metrics/Applied,-Admitted,-Enrolled

We had a fairly lengthy thread last December about legacy students where admissions came up.

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3262300/

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My son just went through the process and they showed the "real" stats. A&M actually likes to show they admit more kids because they are nervous about losing all the smart suburban kids from top notch HS's that can't get in the Top 10% so they offer conditional. They have a general policy of finding a way to get everyone in that they can. It's just very misleading and runs counter to how ranking systems value where most schools want to show a more selective admission rate. I can't recall the exact number off hand but last year A&M had nearly 50k applies and only about 12k regular admits, meaning they weren't conditional and could start as a Freshman. Thus about 25%. They had over 15k admits for System schools that were "counted" as "admitted".

A&M just doesn't care about US News nor should they. A&M cares about Research Spend, Endowment, and ROI. You can disagree if you like but it's just not apples to apples.