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dermdoc said:

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15 buck wine from HEB. I ain't proud.

Always get Paso Robles cabs. And trust me, I have been through all the 200 dollar bottles of wine. Caymus, Del Dotto, Turley, Silver Oak, whatever. Had them all.

Decided I am a cheap drunk.

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chateau at Michelle Indian Wells

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They make great cheap wine.

People often psychologically misunderstand then concept of immunity. It simply means the body has an effective quick immune response that suppresses a symptomatic infection such that that person doesn't experience the symptoms of the disease and doesn't generate enough viruses or the necessary symptoms to be able to spread it to others either. That of course relies on having the body's immune system prepared to identify and respond to the infecting agent quickly and effectively, and pretty much all vaccines and many other treatments rely on prompting the natural immune system to respond this way.

This does mean very often people are exposed to viruses and defeat the potential infection before the symptomatic disease occurs. They did have a virus, and never knew it because it did not cause a sufficient reaction to be noticed.

With CoVID, all the variants, and all the different degrees of natural immunity, I start to wonder if it is possible to do effective testing of vaccination any longer, as all the natural immune response won't give a true idea of the effectiveness of the candidate vaccines alone, but only in conjunction with a population that now largely has some degree of natural immunity as well. There's no way to determine stand alone efficacy, only maybe the margin of improvement over the current population level of immunity.

Now, in a short window that data is useful, but it makes comparisons of improvement over substantial time really impossible because there is no longer an effective control population over the longer spans and the condition of the entire population has changed over time. I think this will make it difficult to objectively evaluate the effectiveness of any vaccination campaign over time.

Immunity isn't an inability to be infected so much as the inability of an infection to progress to a symptomatic disease response before the infection is suppressed.

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Not sure where you have been the last 2 years

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-announce-additional-vaccine-mandates-he-unveils-new-covid-strategy-n1278735

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And it never was enforced. I have been practicing medicine for the last two years, how about you?

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It was enforced by companies that did what he said… dude get off the sauce ..truthfully your acting pretty dumb at this point ..prayers for your patients sir

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Cool. We pray in my office with patients everyday.

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Separation of church and state!!!!1

The CDC put it in writing, exposed by FOIA. Do you make stuff up under the cover of your red cross and think it will fly? Hubris defined.

Emails Confirm Why CDC Changed Definitions of Vaccine, Vaccinated

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"Vaccine" had been defined since at least 2011 by the CDC as a product that triggers immunity, while "vaccination" was described as an injection that prevents a disease, according to archived versions of the page. However, a flood of inquiries on the definitions was triggered by the fact that the COVID-19 vaccines have been increasingly ineffective against infection by the virus that causes COVID-19, the emails show.

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Read the entire CDC exchange. They state the need to change the definition!

Because people don't know what certain words mean. Not in an attempt to shift he goalposts and make a non-vaccine a vaccine by definition, which is your implication. Immunity does not mean you cannot get a disease.

And I'm unaware of any formal medical definition of vaccine that ever defined them as preventing disease entirely. If such a definition exists or existed, it was simply wrong. That's never been the case.

And the Epoch Times is about as unreliable a source of information as it gets. It's the conservative analog of Jezebel.

I thought this article was VERY interesting.

Deaths Following C-19 Vaccination

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NZDSOS is now made up of Doctors, Dentists, Pharmacists and Vets. We have formed alliances with other groups both locally and internationally.

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New Zealand medical professionals have penned an open letter to the authorities requesting that an investigation be conducted into the deaths that have occurred since vaccinations for Covid were administered.

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Executive Summary
1. There is a shockingly large burden of deaths and injuries following the Covid-19 vaccines, of itself and compared to any other treatment or vaccine in modern times. We report many cases that DEMAND proper investigation, as befits any medication lacking safety studies.
2. Our surveillance systems have been disabled in order to hide the extent of harm. Adverse event reporting is NOT COMPULSORY, and this alone undermines any attempt to portray the injections as safe. CARM was never designed to early warn about experimental drugs rolled out to massive numbers.
3. Children and young people are dying and suffering particularly cardiac injuries (though many healthy elderly have died too), whilst their risk from covid-19 is particularly low. We believe we are being lied to. We present many cases halfway down this post.
4. We appeal AGAIN to the Police, headed by Andrew Coster, and our MPs, to intervene to protect the People.

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That is bad news when the police are being asked to intervene. Granted, NZ police is different than our local police, but having these bodies take up investigations at the street level is happening elsewhere too. Everyone that is involved needs to account.

These questions still remain with me:
When in the history of vaccines, has a product been allowed to remain on market after injuring or killing X? Name the number. What is the acceptable number? Historically speaking we are WAY outside the norms. Pfizer knew and hid in their trial data that the jab was dangerous. Shouldn't have made the light of day for 75 years if Pfizer had their way. Is that normal? From a peer review perspective, should that have effected the roll out and release? If so, who is complicit - how deep is the rabbit hole? Did the development process make doctors stop and think about the unknown consequences of a technology that had never been injected in people on a wide scale? I just wonder how much money everyone made and to what degree that influenced the decision to inject people with poison.

We should begin a thorough investigation and no one and nothing should be off the table. Trump included.

First, stop posting websites that scare the **** out of my Malware protection.

Second, might wanna background check some of those "professionals" affiliated with that group. The majority are non-physicians or physicians no longer practicing. Some had lost their licenses long before covid. One co-signed the letter FROM PRISON where he's doing time for distributing child porn.

Ooof

This is your force field, every....time. "The source is bad". The source was the CDC, the co-conspirators of this chaos.

On that topic, I'd be curious what your sources are? How do you decipher good from bad and keep up-to-date on the latest findings?

No oof! You are terrible at addressing the issues.

This is a lie unless you can name the name and provide credible documentation. Be careful though - libel sucks.

A wide range of google searches yields nothing. The wolves are at the gate. You would think that if an imprisoned child pornographer were in a non-conformative group such as this, that it would be widely publicized so that group could be discredited. That is reasonable. I am guessing you found it on reddit in some obscure hit piece.

But since we're delving further into this: a New Zealand media group interview the NZDSOS.

This is a classic liberal tactic meant to redirect conversation when it doesn't lead to an outcome that is favorable. That list of injured and the details are astonishing - not concerning in the least I suspect.

There is so much more information like that, but I suspect none of the sources are good enough. Robert Malone released an article ( The TruthLion Cometh ) - Note: I did not make up the scary article name!! - full of recent observations and scientific research that just about shoots down every hypothesis and theory you have put forth through the pandemic. I am still amazed that TexAgs allows for the red cross designation when so much bad information is being put out.

This thread and exchange with you just highlights the information war we are in. If I have bad info, I will certainly own it.

Myocarditis cases in the US ages 12-20 in 2019 numbered 16.

In 2020, myocarditis cases numbered 9.

In 2021, the cases rose to 2301.

And no, I haven't taken the time to look it up. I trust the doctor that sent it to me this morning. Plenty of folks here can validate.

There are a thousand stats like this that should raise questions for everyone.

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Infection_Ag11 is about as unreliable a source of information as it gets.

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FIFY

Wow, I completely didn't think about that aspect of it. I will say this. That PBS was fascinating and scary.
Literally, the neighbor across the street has 3 people die. Next day you next door neighbor has 2 people die in the family. It was like the plague had visited America.

A small price to pay for a great steak !

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Sweet. I usually use a good rub, but COVID just adds flavor.

It's July 12, 2022 and these mfers are still going with this.

Btw, when can we stop wiping down amazon packages and letting them sit in the sun for 3 days?

I never got word on that.