I live in the Orlando area, and have driven past the Pulse nightclub numerous times. The structure still stands, but there is a barrier wall around the front. It is covered with memorials to those killed (including a kid I taught in 8th grade when I first started in education). Every so often you'll see people there paying respect to the victims.

I've also been to Vegas several times since that shooting occurred. There is not one memorial or anything at the site. You'd never know anything had happened there, as far as I can tell.

Do you think that is because the Pulse shooting targeted a particular community (LGBT) and therefore has more sentiment attached, or is it an effort to memory-hole Vegas given how little has been released to the public about the shooter?

I think the Vegas shooter is likely one of the shadier government-related things we've seen in our lifetimes. It's honestly remarkable how little anyone knows and how good a job they've done at sweeping it under the rug. Sorry, but you can't have a body count that high and just pretend like it didn't happen.

I hope the Vegas shooter truth comes out at some point. Even the chans couldn't get to the bottom of that one. That guy had to have been a spy or something that went off plan. It's fascinating.

If there was a way to make money off of it there would be a memorial. Nobody goes to Vegas to see memorials and the city probably doesn't want it memorized.

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Do you think that is because the Pulse shooting targeted a particular community (LGBT) and therefore has more sentiment attached, or is it an effort to memory-hole Vegas given how little has been released to the public about the shooter?

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Pulse seemed bigot single nut (Muslim? ) related if recall.

Vegas has its priority on $ and the time of that shooting there were rumors it was aimed at Saudi royalty. Whether the guy was a Left greivance monger, or something more elaborate like a plot against Salman --- that's the kind of thing they would cover up and not draw much attention to. (Just repeating what recall ---- rumors are rife about a political dimension to Vegas that was not just `one nut' -- seem to remember an anti-Salman Saudi committing suicide just after ---- maybe it was Islamist group related and they wanted to avoid a response--but that doesn't fit the Trump era) Given who runs Vegas, maybe they want it all forgotten swiftly and back to the games as possible.

A friend of mine who lives in Vegas told me that the site of the shooting is going to be a green space memorial.

Looks like something is happening

https://apnews.com/article/business-shootings-las-vegas-philanthropy-las-vegas-mass-shooting-4f57543162ac6c193439ca51c752194d

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Do you think that is because the Pulse shooting targeted a particular community (LGBT) and therefore has more sentiment attached, or is it an effort to memory-hole Vegas given how little has been released to the public about the shooter?

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I think the Vegas shooter is likely one of the shadier government-related things we've seen in our lifetimes. It's honestly remarkable how little anyone knows and how good a job they've done at sweeping it under the rug. Sorry, but you can't have a body count that high and just pretend like it didn't happen.

I hope the Vegas shooter truth comes out at some point. Even the chans couldn't get to the bottom of that one. That guy had to have been a spy or something that went off plan. It's fascinating.

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"The Vegas Shooter" was a cover up. This mele was done by the federal government. The shooter knew the operation and had to be taken out before he spoke.

This was an attempt to kill the Saudi crown prince who was in town who had a suite at the top of the Mandelay Bay.

This is my theory

So its true he was present, that part is true. That was the outline had heard bits and pieces of here -- you knew more than ever heard.

What you said there is consistent and fits everything about how events have gone and our govt behaves. That sounds like the answer. It even explains how the Trump era still didn't not give it much play -- some IS attacked they would have avenged with not batting an eye. But something that exposed too much about the Saudi innerworkings at the time and calling for discretion--that explains all.

I put that Nashville bombing of the data center in that category.

That crazy warning announcement over the loudspeaker.

What did the investigation reveal in all that?

Seems like its been memory holed. You never hear anything about it.

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I think the Vegas shooter is likely one of the shadier government-related things we've seen in our lifetimes. It's honestly remarkable how little anyone knows and how good a job they've done at sweeping it under the rug. Sorry, but you can't have a body count that high and just pretend like it didn't happen.

I hope the Vegas shooter truth comes out at some point. Even the chans couldn't get to the bottom of that one. That guy had to have been a spy or something that went off plan. It's fascinating.

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"The Vegas Shooter" was a cover up. This mele was done by the federal government. The shooter knew the operation and had to be taken out before he spoke.

This was an attempt to kill the Saudi crown prince who was in town who had a suite at the top of the Mandelay Bay.

This is my theory

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I think the Vegas shooter is likely one of the shadier government-related things we've seen in our lifetimes. It's honestly remarkable how little anyone knows and how good a job they've done at sweeping it under the rug. Sorry, but you can't have a body count that high and just pretend like it didn't happen.

I hope the Vegas shooter truth comes out at some point. Even the chans couldn't get to the bottom of that one. That guy had to have been a spy or something that went off plan. It's fascinating.

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"The Vegas Shooter" was a cover up. This mele was done by the federal government. The shooter knew the operation and had to be taken out before he spoke.

This was an attempt to kill the Saudi crown prince who was in town who had a suite at the top of the Mandelay Bay.

This is my theory

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I put that Nashville bombing of the data center in that category.

That crazy warning announcement over the loudspeaker.

What did the investigation reveal in all that?

Seems like its been memory hold. You never hear anything about it.

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Didn't that turn out more that he intended to warn people and just destroy property (or an office)?

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I think the Vegas shooter is likely one of the shadier government-related things we've seen in our lifetimes. It's honestly remarkable how little anyone knows and how good a job they've done at sweeping it under the rug. Sorry, but you can't have a body count that high and just pretend like it didn't happen.

I hope the Vegas shooter truth comes out at some point. Even the chans couldn't get to the bottom of that one. That guy had to have been a spy or something that went off plan. It's fascinating.

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"The Vegas Shooter" was a cover up. This mele was done by the federal government. The shooter knew the operation and had to be taken out before he spoke.

This was an attempt to kill the Saudi crown prince who was in town who had a suite at the top of the Mandelay Bay.

This is my theory

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Gonna be waiting a while, you couldn't afford me anyways

I just read more about it.

The dudes girlfriend and a lawyer went to the police and told them the dude was making bombs in the RV a few months before the incident.

The FBI and the DOD checked the guy out. The determined that it was unsubstantiated and closed the case.

Once again, the perpetrator is known to police.

How many times have we seen this?

I have a hard time believing the Vegas shooting was an attempt on MBS. A warning is plausible.

It would have been far cleaner to get some crazy Houthi terror cell. Train them and give them the intel. Make sure that none get out alive.

But the bigger question is why? He might be a little loud, but how do we benefit? Killing MBS would permanently damage our relationship with Saudi. We need their petrodollars.

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I put that Nashville bombing of the data center in that category.

That crazy warning announcement over the loudspeaker.

What did the investigation reveal in all that?

Seems like its been memory hold. You never hear anything about it.

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Didn't that turn out more that he intended to warn people and just destroy property (or an office)?

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Yes. You are correct.

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I just read more about it.

The dudes girlfriend and a lawyer went to the police and told them the dude was making bombs in the RV a few months before the incident.

The FBI and the DOD checked the guy out. The determined that it was unsubstantiated and closed the case.

Once again, the perpetrator is known to police.

How many times have we seen this?

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A friend of mine who lives in Vegas told me that the site of the shooting is going to be a green space memorial.

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If there was a way to make money off of it there would be a memorial. Nobody goes to Vegas to see memorials and the city probably doesn't want it memorized.

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They used to have a nice 9/11 memorial at NYNY casino but, they've rerouted traffic on the strip so you don't walk past it anymore.

Seriously, had anybody ever heard of a bump stock before the Vegas shooting?

And look how much political effort went into getting them banned - even though you can use your belt loop to achieve the same effect.

That's one of the crazier parts of that episode.

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I just read more about it.

The dudes girlfriend and a lawyer went to the police and told them the dude was making bombs in the RV a few months before the incident.

The FBI and the DOD checked the guy out. The determined that it was unsubstantiated and closed the case.

Once again, the perpetrator is known to police.

How many times have we seen this?

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Are you implying that the federal agency checked it out then enabled the act to occur to further an agenda? That'd be an interesting theory.

Vegas incident happened during regime change in Saudi. There were multiple gun fights that day.

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I think the Vegas shooter is likely one of the shadier government-related things we've seen in our lifetimes. It's honestly remarkable how little anyone knows and how good a job they've done at sweeping it under the rug. Sorry, but you can't have a body count that high and just pretend like it didn't happen.

I hope the Vegas shooter truth comes out at some point. Even the chans couldn't get to the bottom of that one. That guy had to have been a spy or something that went off plan. It's fascinating.

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"The Vegas Shooter" was a cover up. This mele was done by the federal government. The shooter knew the operation and had to be taken out before he spoke.

This was an attempt to kill the Saudi crown prince who was in town who had a suite at the top of the Mandelay Bay.

This is my theory

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Gonna be waiting a while, you couldn't afford me anyways

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I put that Nashville bombing of the data center in that category.

That crazy warning announcement over the loudspeaker.

What did the investigation reveal in all that?

Seems like its been memory holed. You never hear anything about it.

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I was in Nashville for New Years 2022 and stayed in a place right by where the bombing occurred. That whole area is still in bad shape with buildings down, and walls blown off of the building the guy was attacking (apparently it was basically bomb proof with a brick facade, the brick is missing but the solid concrete wall building is still there).

I think the Vegas deal is minimized because of concerns it would hurt the image of Vegas in general. Nothing more than that.
And isn't the theory about a Saudi assassination attempt based on the Saudis staying at the Tropicana, not the Mandalay Bay?

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I think the Vegas shooter is likely one of the shadier government-related things we've seen in our lifetimes. It's honestly remarkable how little anyone knows and how good a job they've done at sweeping it under the rug. Sorry, but you can't have a body count that high and just pretend like it didn't happen.

I hope the Vegas shooter truth comes out at some point. Even the chans couldn't get to the bottom of that one. That guy had to have been a spy or something that went off plan. It's fascinating.

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I think the most plausible explanation is that the Vegas shooter was jaded about gambling debts and benefits at the Mandalay Bay. He may have threatened them beforehand and they may have even reported to FBI in advance.

Rather than put liability on a commercial entity and/or the FBI, the motive was swept under rug. Allows FBI to save face in exchange for casino investors avoiding financial fallout for allowing him to still book a room.

As bad as that all sounds, I can understand it in our modern court system and society that even places blame on gun manufacturers.

why were saudis staying at sh*tty hotels like Mandalay & Tropicana?

I can personally attest that the Tropicana is a dump. Only a Saudi flunkie would shack up there.

I made the mistake of strolling in there once and promptly thought better of it.

Remember Jesus Campos the that interview on the Ellen show? Dude disappears to Mexico, comes back and goes on the Ellen show in one or the weirdest interviews I've ever seen.

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This thread is so dumb. US government want to kill MBS, but instead decides to kill 50 something concert goers? how in the world does that make any sense?

I was thinking the same. Buffet perhaps?

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This thread is so dumb. US government want to kill MBS, but instead decides to kill 50 something concert goers? how in the world does that make any sense?

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It doesn't, but they did their "research" so no convincing them otherwise. There are posts after every major event, in particular tragedies, with this sort of spin/conspiracy.