So i drive the EV truck 1.5 hours (90 miles) and then sit in a parking lot for about 1.5 hours to charge it to 100%. Then I can drive another 90 miles. And I'm still using fossil fuel to generate the electricity.

And for those that think EV cars are better, see the article written by the journalist who took an EV car road trip from New Orleans to Chicago (round trip)

At best EVs are for around town driving. And fossil fuel is still used in the fueling process.

Yeah this is a big fail on the towing end. I can tow about 200 miles with my truck and refill in 5-10 minutes. I guess the EV truck will still be fine for the average user as a commuter vehicle or maybe as a work truck for someone who works in a limited range.

I think most EV drivers, myself included, will tell you that they are severely lacking for 500+ mile road trips. Below that and as a commuting vehicle they have a place.

7.6 mpg gas truck vs 0.7 mpkwh EV truck

Avg cost per gallon $4.85
Avg cost per kwh $0.12

Gas Truck fuel cost per mile $0.64
EV Truck fuel cost per mile $0.17

So the issue with EV is the time associated with charging due to low range, slow re-charge, and availability of charging. If battery range and charging continue to improve EV is inevitable. If nuclear and coal are increased to lower kwh cost, this transition would happen quicker.

* I don't have an EV. When I can get same range and dependable re-fueling, or the fuel cost per mile spread gets big enough, I'll get one. So will many others.

I expect those electricity costs to sky rocket as more and more EVs start hitting the grid while we keep shutting down power plants. I think it's a big assumption that electricity costs per mile will not catch up to gas/diesel prices per mile. Especially for heavier vehicles. I guess they can regulate the prices, but that will lead to shortages.

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Who the **** only tows 6000 lbs?

Anyway, its all fairy farts from start to finish. Ive seen the state of the art ev's trying to race and its a bad joke even in events tailored to their advantage.

Basic physics and logic eliminates ev's from any real practicality, and that is why they are being pushed on ignorant libs.

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Depends on the application. If you're a heavy hauler, yes you're correct. EVs suck. But if your daily drive is to the office and back or you use your rig as a mall crawler (as MANY do), the EV can work decently well for you. Yes, it will of course cost more, but many don't really care. They just want their vehicle to be electric.

"If battery range and charging continue to improve EV is inevitable"

And until then fossil fuel (gas / diesel) is the way to go. Let the fuel sources run their natural course. We will eventually run out of fossil fuel.

Let's face it, green energy is being forced down our throats because it benefits lib donors and fuels the political kickback machine.

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I expect those electricity costs to sky rocket as more and more EVs start hitting the grid while we keep shutting down power plants. I think it's a big assumption that electricity costs per mile will not catch up to gas/diesel prices per mile. Especially for heavier vehicles. I guess they can regulate the prices, but that will lead to shortages.

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Yeah, cheap abundant power generation is key. That needs to happen along with improve battery/charging. I think that happens over time. But should happen in free markets not gov intervention.

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I expect those electricity costs to sky rocket as more and more EVs start hitting the grid while we keep shutting down power plants. I think it's a big assumption that electricity costs per mile will not catch up to gas/diesel prices per mile. Especially for heavier vehicles. I guess they can regulate the prices, but that will lead to shortages.

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Yeah, cheap abundant power generation is key. That needs to happen along with improve battery/charging. I think that happens over time. But should happen in free markets not gov intervention.

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Why would you think that? Nuke ain't happening, ever. Where do we get this abundant cheap power?

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Head of Exxon says all passenger cars will be electric by 2040.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/06/25/exxon-mobil-ceo-all-new-passenger-cars-will-be-electric-by-2040.html

Seems hard to believe, but he's knows far more about this than I

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No he doesn't. He's spouting the line the PR people tell him to, to win ESG points

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I expect those electricity costs to sky rocket as more and more EVs start hitting the grid while we keep shutting down power plants. I think it's a big assumption that electricity costs per mile will not catch up to gas/diesel prices per mile. Especially for heavier vehicles. I guess they can regulate the prices, but that will lead to shortages.

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Yeah, cheap abundant power generation is key. That needs to happen along with improve battery/charging. I think that happens over time. But should happen in free markets not gov intervention.

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Why would you think that? Nuke ain't happening, ever. Where do we get this abundant cheap power?

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I think the conversation surrounding Small Modular Reactors will start to shift. There's a lot of NIMBY when it comes to nuclear, but SMRs are going to be part of the mix, IMO.

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Head of Exxon says all passenger cars will be electric by 2040.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/06/25/exxon-mobil-ceo-all-new-passenger-cars-will-be-electric-by-2040.html

Seems hard to believe, but he's knows far more about this than I

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No he doesn't. He's spouting the line the PR people tell him to, to win ESG points

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Every vehicle that doesn't tow will be electric by 2040. F150 lightning is already great for everything including hauling, but not towing. It charges slower than Tesla, German and Korean cars but that's on Ford not BEV technology.

I imagine trucks that tow will be electric with a sufficient ICE to keep them going at 80mph or whatever an electric motor for everything else.


I do not know how everyone that values personal freedom (and has the means) hasn't gone solar and electric for their non towing vehicle.

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BMX Bandit said:

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Head of Exxon says all passenger cars will be electric by 2040.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/06/25/exxon-mobil-ceo-all-new-passenger-cars-will-be-electric-by-2040.html

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No he doesn't. He's spouting the line the PR people tell him to, to win ESG points

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Every vehicle that doesn't tow will be electric by 2040. F150 lightning is already great for everything including hauling, but not towing. It charges slower than Tesla, German and Korean cars but that's on Ford not BEV technology.

I imagine trucks that tow will be electric with a sufficient ICE to keep them going at 80mph or whatever an electric motor for everything else.


I do not know how everyone that values personal freedom (and has the means) hasn't gone solar and electric for their on towing vehicle.

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Nope.

Pipe dreams and unicorn farts.

Unless your post was sarcasm, in which case, well done.

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7.6 mpg gas truck vs 0.7 mpkwh EV truck

Avg cost per gallon $4.85
Avg cost per kwh $0.12

Gas Truck fuel cost per mile $0.64
EV Truck fuel cost per mile $0.17

So the issue with EV is the time associated with charging due to low range, slow re-charge, and availability of charging. If battery range and charging continue to improve EV is inevitable. If nuclear and coal are increased to lower kwh cost, this transition would happen quicker.

* I don't have an EV. When I can get same range and dependable re-fueling, or the fuel cost per mile spread gets big enough, I'll get one. So will many others.

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But that's based on todays historically high gas prices. When it's $2.15 per gallon, it looks a lot closer. And most trucks are getting more than 7.6 mpg.

at 13 mpg, which is still on the very low end, you're looking at .37

If gas is at $2.15, you're looking at .165 per mile...in other words, under normal circumstances, there really isnt a price difference.

I do agree with you about Nuclear though. We have to go that direction, and improve the infrastructure to provide for the demand if we're going towards EVs more.

I also think they need to improve the charging time. I cant afford 15-45 minutes every time I need to fill up. That's just not practical. Everyone talks about the advances in battery tech...but the range is still about the same, and the recharge time is still about the same. Those are the two biggest factors for most buyers.

And...then there's the life of the battery, and replacement costs. The capacity dwindles over time, whereas a gas engine continues to get the same gas mileage.

I'm not against EV, but it's simply not practical yet. You give up a lot right now, when you switch from gas to EV.

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I do not know how everyone that values personal freedom (and has the means) hasn't gone solar and electric for their non towing vehicle.

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Raw acceleration isn't everything. Electric performance cars severely lack in driver engagement and sensory experience which is critical to the experience for most enthusiasts. That will always be a problem for electrics and will drive demand for ICE vehicles. The only way they're going away is artificially limiting supply via government regulation, which we as consumers should all be against. Fast electric cars will be next in line to get regulated out of existence if we go down that road.

Yeah lol I'm miserable in my Tesla. Hope you're having fun paying $5/gallon for gas!

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I do not know how everyone that values personal freedom (and has the means) hasn't gone solar and electric for their non towing vehicle.

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Raw acceleration isn't everything. Electric performance cars severely lack in driver engagement and sensory experience which is critical to the experience for most enthusiasts. That will always be a problem for electrics and will drive demand for ICE vehicles. The only way they're going away is artificially limiting supply via government regulation, which we as consumers should all be against. Fast electric cars will be next in line to get regulated out of existence if we go down that road.

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I get enough sensory experience going 0-60 in 4s (shoulda paid the extra $5000 for 3s tho) and having a very good AWD system. Sure the people that still drive a stick because "I like shifting" may not like it, but those people will be in the rear view mirror.

Excellent point. Teslas are insanely fun to drive. But they can also be boring to drive. And when I'm in traffic I want to disengage and be boring and let the car do the work and I can be stress free. There's value there for me. I have a C8 corvette on order and am very close to canceling it and springing for a Tesla S Plaid

Wow. We can all look forward to stopping for a long charge every 100 miles when we actually have to put a load on our vehicle. Absolute garbage.

Skimming back, I don't see any mention of about a 25% tire life vs conventional vehicles. Constant torque on the tires wear them out fast.

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Skimming back, I don't see any mention of about a 25% tire life vs conventional vehicles. Constant torque on the tires wear them out fast.

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What a load of horse hockey. There is no reason, other than added weight, an EV's tires are going to wear faster. So because of added weight, maybe 5% faster? Maybe? All of the cars have advanced traction control that limit burnouts or anything related to their torque.

I get it, people feel like they are being "forced" into EV's, so they react. But how many people actually tow with their truck, like ever? How many people travel more than 30 or 40 miles a day in their car? My electricity costs at home are about 10 cents per kilowatt hour (hydroelectric, where I live), so it costs less than $10 to get to 100% charge. When I was looking at my next car, there was simply no reason not to buy an all electric and that was even before gas prices went up.

If all electric vehicles are such POS's that are useless, why are people lining up at dealerships all over the country to buy one?

I actually look forward to a true, diesel equivalent electric dozer, backhoe,track loader and farm tractors and battery powered welders. Maybe in 50 years. Until then, keep the diesel flowing.

Evs don't refuel like diesel and under load they won't make it to the next charging station

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Skimming back, I don't see any mention of about a 25% tire life vs conventional vehicles. Constant torque on the tires wear them out fast.

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Not an EV fan and this sounds like nonsense to me. Computer controlled torque that limits wheel slip would be better than the spin you can get on a gas car

I think the higher weight of an EV might be more of a tire wear factor

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Skimming back, I don't see any mention of about a 25% tire life vs conventional vehicles. Constant torque on the tires wear them out fast.

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What a load of horse hockey. There is no reason, other than added weight, an EV's tires are going to wear faster. So because of added weight, maybe 5% faster? Maybe? All of the cars have advanced traction control that limit burnouts or anything related to their torque.

I get it, people feel like they are being "forced" into EV's, so they react. But how many people actually tow with their truck, like ever? How many people travel more than 30 or 40 miles a day in their car? My electricity costs at home are about 10 cents per kilowatt hour (hydroelectric, where I live), so it costs less than $10 to get to 100% charge. When I was looking at my next car, there was simply no reason not to buy an all electric and that was even before gas prices went up.

If all electric vehicles are such POS's that are useless, why are people lining up at dealerships all over the country to buy one?

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I'm not in the "EVs are POS!" Camp, at all. They're a very small niche market that might suit some people's lifestyle. They suffer from the exact same limits as the first ones did, which were even before the ICE cars made it to market way, way back: Battery tech and charging.

To your question, though, people are stupid (not for the EV part, mind you)...this is just "the new thing" for some people to latch onto. Add in silly govt enticements and the MSM doing the DNC's work for them and that is why a LOT of the people clamoring for them are clamoring for them.

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I think the conversation surrounding Small Modular Reactors will start to shift. There's a lot of NIMBY when it comes to nuclear, but SMRs are going to be part of the mix, IMO.

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We need more Mr Fusions

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Skimming back, I don't see any mention of about a 25% tire life vs conventional vehicles. Constant torque on the tires wear them out fast.

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What a load of horse hockey. There is no reason, other than added weight, an EV's tires are going to wear faster. So because of added weight, maybe 5% faster? Maybe? All of the cars have advanced traction control that limit burnouts or anything related to their torque.

I get it, people feel like they are being "forced" into EV's, so they react. But how many people actually tow with their truck, like ever? How many people travel more than 30 or 40 miles a day in their car? My electricity costs at home are about 10 cents per kilowatt hour (hydroelectric, where I live), so it costs less than $10 to get to 100% charge. When I was looking at my next car, there was simply no reason not to buy an all electric and that was even before gas prices went up.

If all electric vehicles are such POS's that are useless, why are people lining up at dealerships all over the country to buy one?

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I'm not in the "EVs are POS!" Camp, at all. They're a very small niche market that might suit some people's lifestyle. They suffer from the exact same limits as the first ones did, which were even before the ICE cars made it to market way, way back: Battery tech and charging.

To your question, though, people are stupid (not for the EV part, mind you)...this is just "the new thing" for some people to latch onto. Add in silly govt enticements and the MSM doing the DNC's work for them and that is why a LOT of the people clamoring for them are clamoring for them.

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So, I charge my awd car at home for 15% of the cost of buying gas, never have to stop at a gas station and have the fastest car I've ever owned and my car is suffering from limits? Lol, okay boomer.

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Skimming back, I don't see any mention of about a 25% tire life vs conventional vehicles. Constant torque on the tires wear them out fast.

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What a load of horse hockey. There is no reason, other than added weight, an EV's tires are going to wear faster. So because of added weight, maybe 5% faster? Maybe? All of the cars have advanced traction control that limit burnouts or anything related to their torque.

I get it, people feel like they are being "forced" into EV's, so they react. But how many people actually tow with their truck, like ever? How many people travel more than 30 or 40 miles a day in their car? My electricity costs at home are about 10 cents per kilowatt hour (hydroelectric, where I live), so it costs less than $10 to get to 100% charge. When I was looking at my next car, there was simply no reason not to buy an all electric and that was even before gas prices went up.

If all electric vehicles are such POS's that are useless, why are people lining up at dealerships all over the country to buy one?

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You should drive I90 from Madison to Seattle and tell me how many people tow things with their truck.

The fact that massive RV lots in my area can't keep inventory tells me that lots of people tow lots of things with their trucks (non EV trucks of course).

Not all EVs are useless, EV trucks are useless though.

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slaughtr said:

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cottonpatchag said:

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Skimming back, I don't see any mention of about a 25% tire life vs conventional vehicles. Constant torque on the tires wear them out fast.

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What a load of horse hockey. There is no reason, other than added weight, an EV's tires are going to wear faster. So because of added weight, maybe 5% faster? Maybe? All of the cars have advanced traction control that limit burnouts or anything related to their torque.

I get it, people feel like they are being "forced" into EV's, so they react. But how many people actually tow with their truck, like ever? How many people travel more than 30 or 40 miles a day in their car? My electricity costs at home are about 10 cents per kilowatt hour (hydroelectric, where I live), so it costs less than $10 to get to 100% charge. When I was looking at my next car, there was simply no reason not to buy an all electric and that was even before gas prices went up.

If all electric vehicles are such POS's that are useless, why are people lining up at dealerships all over the country to buy one?

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I'm not in the "EVs are POS!" Camp, at all. They're a very small niche market that might suit some people's lifestyle. They suffer from the exact same limits as the first ones did, which were even before the ICE cars made it to market way, way back: Battery tech and charging.

To your question, though, people are stupid (not for the EV part, mind you)...this is just "the new thing" for some people to latch onto. Add in silly govt enticements and the MSM doing the DNC's work for them and that is why a LOT of the people clamoring for them are clamoring for them.

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Tesla hasn't qualified for federal tax credits in several years and just had their highest grossing quarter ever. And for the typical suburban driver the battery and charging isn't an issue. At all.

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slaughtr said:

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cottonpatchag said:

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Skimming back, I don't see any mention of about a 25% tire life vs conventional vehicles. Constant torque on the tires wear them out fast.

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What a load of horse hockey. There is no reason, other than added weight, an EV's tires are going to wear faster. So because of added weight, maybe 5% faster? Maybe? All of the cars have advanced traction control that limit burnouts or anything related to their torque.

I get it, people feel like they are being "forced" into EV's, so they react. But how many people actually tow with their truck, like ever? How many people travel more than 30 or 40 miles a day in their car? My electricity costs at home are about 10 cents per kilowatt hour (hydroelectric, where I live), so it costs less than $10 to get to 100% charge. When I was looking at my next car, there was simply no reason not to buy an all electric and that was even before gas prices went up.

If all electric vehicles are such POS's that are useless, why are people lining up at dealerships all over the country to buy one?

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You should drive I90 from Madison to Seattle and tell me how many people tow things with their truck.

The fact that massive RV lots in my area can't keep inventory tells me that lots of people tow lots of things with their trucks (non EV trucks of course).

Not all EVs are useless, EV trucks are useless though.

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EV trucks are useless, if you tow. I've had 5 trucks and never towed a thing. 75% of truck owners either never tow or tow less than 1 time per year. I just read that on the internet, so it must be true.

BTW this is an EV truck thread

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Skimming back, I don't see any mention of about a 25% tire life vs conventional vehicles. Constant torque on the tires wear them out fast.

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What a load of horse hockey. There is no reason, other than added weight, an EV's tires are going to wear faster. So because of added weight, maybe 5% faster? Maybe? All of the cars have advanced traction control that limit burnouts or anything related to their torque.

I get it, people feel like they are being "forced" into EV's, so they react. But how many people actually tow with their truck, like ever? How many people travel more than 30 or 40 miles a day in their car? My electricity costs at home are about 10 cents per kilowatt hour (hydroelectric, where I live), so it costs less than $10 to get to 100% charge. When I was looking at my next car, there was simply no reason not to buy an all electric and that was even before gas prices went up.

If all electric vehicles are such POS's that are useless, why are people lining up at dealerships all over the country to buy one?

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I'm not in the "EVs are POS!" Camp, at all. They're a very small niche market that might suit some people's lifestyle. They suffer from the exact same limits as the first ones did, which were even before the ICE cars made it to market way, way back: Battery tech and charging.

To your question, though, people are stupid (not for the EV part, mind you)...this is just "the new thing" for some people to latch onto. Add in silly govt enticements and the MSM doing the DNC's work for them and that is why a LOT of the people clamoring for them are clamoring for them.

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So, I charge my awd car at home for 15% of the cost of buying gas, never have to stop at a gas station and have the fastest car I've ever owned and my car is suffering from limits? Lol, okay boomer.

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Simmer down, Sparky. Wasn't being negative, just factual. You can't hop in, fully charged, and drive to DFW and back without recharging. I can, in my hybrid. That's a limit. Same limits EV have had since their inception...even before ICE engined cars.

And if a Tesla is the fastest car you've owned...LOL, ok. You haven't really driven anything fast then. But you do you, Tiger.

If and when battery tech allows for MUCH better ranges and quicker charging, an EV might be right for a LOT of people. That's not now, though. And that's before we even get to infrastructure issue.


ETA: my "trip to DFW" scenario is from SA, where I live.

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cottonpatchag said:

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Skimming back, I don't see any mention of about a 25% tire life vs conventional vehicles. Constant torque on the tires wear them out fast.

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What a load of horse hockey. There is no reason, other than added weight, an EV's tires are going to wear faster. So because of added weight, maybe 5% faster? Maybe? All of the cars have advanced traction control that limit burnouts or anything related to their torque.

I get it, people feel like they are being "forced" into EV's, so they react. But how many people actually tow with their truck, like ever? How many people travel more than 30 or 40 miles a day in their car? My electricity costs at home are about 10 cents per kilowatt hour (hydroelectric, where I live), so it costs less than $10 to get to 100% charge. When I was looking at my next car, there was simply no reason not to buy an all electric and that was even before gas prices went up.

If all electric vehicles are such POS's that are useless, why are people lining up at dealerships all over the country to buy one?

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I'm not in the "EVs are POS!" Camp, at all. They're a very small niche market that might suit some people's lifestyle. They suffer from the exact same limits as the first ones did, which were even before the ICE cars made it to market way, way back: Battery tech and charging.

To your question, though, people are stupid (not for the EV part, mind you)...this is just "the new thing" for some people to latch onto. Add in silly govt enticements and the MSM doing the DNC's work for them and that is why a LOT of the people clamoring for them are clamoring for them.

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So, I charge my awd car at home for 15% of the cost of buying gas, never have to stop at a gas station and have the fastest car I've ever owned and my car is suffering from limits? Lol, okay boomer.

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Simmer down, Sparky. Wasn't being negative, just factual. You can't hop in, fully charged, and drive to DFW and back without recharging. I can, in my hybrid. That's a limit. Same limits EV have had since their inception...even before ICE engined cars.

And if a Tesla is the fastest car you've owned...LOL, ok. You haven't really driven anything fast then. But you do you, Tiger.

If and when battery tech allows for MUCH better ranges and quicker charging, an EV might be right for a LOT of people. That's not now, though. And that's before we even get to infrastructure issue.

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Simmer down, Rusty. Why would I want to drive to Dallas? I don't own a Tesla. I've had Porsches, Lotus's, Noble M400's, BMW M3's and my current car has more power than any of them. EV's are right for a lot of people right now, that's why dealerships have lines out the door putting money down on them. But you do you, Wolf.

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BigRobSA said:

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BigRobSA said:

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slaughtr said:

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cottonpatchag said:

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Skimming back, I don't see any mention of about a 25% tire life vs conventional vehicles. Constant torque on the tires wear them out fast.

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What a load of horse hockey. There is no reason, other than added weight, an EV's tires are going to wear faster. So because of added weight, maybe 5% faster? Maybe? All of the cars have advanced traction control that limit burnouts or anything related to their torque.

I get it, people feel like they are being "forced" into EV's, so they react. But how many people actually tow with their truck, like ever? How many people travel more than 30 or 40 miles a day in their car? My electricity costs at home are about 10 cents per kilowatt hour (hydroelectric, where I live), so it costs less than $10 to get to 100% charge. When I was looking at my next car, there was simply no reason not to buy an all electric and that was even before gas prices went up.

If all electric vehicles are such POS's that are useless, why are people lining up at dealerships all over the country to buy one?

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I'm not in the "EVs are POS!" Camp, at all. They're a very small niche market that might suit some people's lifestyle. They suffer from the exact same limits as the first ones did, which were even before the ICE cars made it to market way, way back: Battery tech and charging.

To your question, though, people are stupid (not for the EV part, mind you)...this is just "the new thing" for some people to latch onto. Add in silly govt enticements and the MSM doing the DNC's work for them and that is why a LOT of the people clamoring for them are clamoring for them.

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So, I charge my awd car at home for 15% of the cost of buying gas, never have to stop at a gas station and have the fastest car I've ever owned and my car is suffering from limits? Lol, okay boomer.

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Simmer down, Sparky. Wasn't being negative, just factual. You can't hop in, fully charged, and drive to DFW and back without recharging. I can, in my hybrid. That's a limit. Same limits EV have had since their inception...even before ICE engined cars.

And if a Tesla is the fastest car you've owned...LOL, ok. You haven't really driven anything fast then. But you do you, Tiger.

If and when battery tech allows for MUCH better ranges and quicker charging, an EV might be right for a LOT of people. That's not now, though. And that's before we even get to infrastructure issue.

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Simmer down, Rusty. Why would I want to drive to Dallas? I don't own a Tesla. I've had Porsches, Lotus's, Noble M400's, BMW M3's and my current car has more power than any of them. EV's are right for a lot of people right now, that's why dealerships have lines out the door putting money down on them. But you do you, Wolf.

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Hello barnes

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BigRobSA said:

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BigRobSA said:

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slaughtr said:

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cottonpatchag said:

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Skimming back, I don't see any mention of about a 25% tire life vs conventional vehicles. Constant torque on the tires wear them out fast.

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What a load of horse hockey. There is no reason, other than added weight, an EV's tires are going to wear faster. So because of added weight, maybe 5% faster? Maybe? All of the cars have advanced traction control that limit burnouts or anything related to their torque.

I get it, people feel like they are being "forced" into EV's, so they react. But how many people actually tow with their truck, like ever? How many people travel more than 30 or 40 miles a day in their car? My electricity costs at home are about 10 cents per kilowatt hour (hydroelectric, where I live), so it costs less than $10 to get to 100% charge. When I was looking at my next car, there was simply no reason not to buy an all electric and that was even before gas prices went up.

If all electric vehicles are such POS's that are useless, why are people lining up at dealerships all over the country to buy one?

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I'm not in the "EVs are POS!" Camp, at all. They're a very small niche market that might suit some people's lifestyle. They suffer from the exact same limits as the first ones did, which were even before the ICE cars made it to market way, way back: Battery tech and charging.

To your question, though, people are stupid (not for the EV part, mind you)...this is just "the new thing" for some people to latch onto. Add in silly govt enticements and the MSM doing the DNC's work for them and that is why a LOT of the people clamoring for them are clamoring for them.

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So, I charge my awd car at home for 15% of the cost of buying gas, never have to stop at a gas station and have the fastest car I've ever owned and my car is suffering from limits? Lol, okay boomer.

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Simmer down, Sparky. Wasn't being negative, just factual. You can't hop in, fully charged, and drive to DFW and back without recharging. I can, in my hybrid. That's a limit. Same limits EV have had since their inception...even before ICE engined cars.

And if a Tesla is the fastest car you've owned...LOL, ok. You haven't really driven anything fast then. But you do you, Tiger.

If and when battery tech allows for MUCH better ranges and quicker charging, an EV might be right for a LOT of people. That's not now, though. And that's before we even get to infrastructure issue.

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Simmer down, Rusty. Why would I want to drive to Dallas? I don't own a Tesla. I've had Porsches, Lotus's, Noble M400's, BMW M3's and my current car has more power than any of them. EV's are right for a lot of people right now, that's why dealerships have lines out the door putting money down on them. But you do you, Wolf.

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So you like slow cars. Good to know.

My slow, built car walked EVs when I could find one. My fast one made that look slow. So, spare me your talk about "fast".

But, again, there is the natural limit on EVs due to lacking battery techthat has only gotten slightly better than the ones being used in the mid 1800s in their EVs.

FTR, I'd love a truly usable (more than 500 miles on a single charge, running all accessories and going 85mph) EV. The instant torque is intoxicating.