Saw this link in my daily news email regarding firearm related deaths by country (in their Canada gun law article). I've been wondering what the rates were in other countries and This site provides a pretty good breakdown and graphics.

Although the last statement (pasted below) indicates that the authors are trying to correlate restricted gun access legislation with lower gun related death rates per capita…

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country

Countries with the Highest Total Gun Deaths (all causes) in 2019

Brazil 49,436
United States 37,038
Venezuela 28,515
Mexico 22,116
India 14,710
Colombia 13,169
Philippines 9,267
Guatemala 5,980

Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019

El Salvador 36.78
Venezuela 33.27
Guatemala 29.06
Colombia 26.36
Brazil 21.93
Bahamas 21.52
Honduras 20.15
U.S. Virgin Islands 19.40
Puerto Rico 18.14
Mexico 16.41

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Gun violence in Latin America is exceptionally high, due in no small part to the prevalence of criminal gangs and a vibrant drug trafficking industry. The Inter-American Development Bank released a report highlighting several critical factors in Latin American cities that contribute to increased gun violence, including economic deprivation, residential instability, family disruption, absence from school, the population's age structure, and alcohol consumption.

Gangs are much less of an issue in the United States, yet it is second only to Brazil on the list in total gun deaths. Many people understandably assume the high number of gun deaths in the U.S. is due to mass shootings, which receive frequent attention from the media. In truth, mass shootings account for only a small percentage of gun deaths in the United States. Rather, nearly two-thirds (63%) of gun deaths in the US in 2019 were suicides.

In contrast to the U.S. and Latin America, gun deaths are extremely rare in countries like Japan, the United Kingdom, Norway, and Australia. These countries have implemented incentives or passed legislation to decrease the number of firearms in circulation. For example, in July 2021, Australia implemented a permanent gun amnesty program, in which unregistered firearms could be anonymously surrendered at police stations.

Japan boasts a population of more than 127 million people, yet finished 2019 with a gun death rate of only .02 per 100,000 people. One major factor in this success is that Japan has some of the strictest gun control laws in the world. For Japanese citizens to purchase a gun, they must attend an all-day class, pass a written exam, and complete a shooting range test, scoring at least 95% accuracy. Candidates will also receive a mental health evaluation, performed at a hospital, and will have a comprehensive background check done by the government. Only shotguns and rifles can be purchased. The class and exam must be retaken every three years.

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Interesting data, not so much on commentary in my opinion.

It's almost like allowing the law abiding citizens to protect themselves makes the scumbag criminals think twice or something…

CraY CraY

I think the stats would be more relevant to current events if they did not include deaths due to suicide or justifiable defensive and/or law enforcement uses, and included deaths by any means during the commission of a crime. Granted I expect the US will still be high up on the list due primarily to inner city crime.

Do you think allowing so many from Latin and South America across our border the last few decades has impacted our gun violence stats?

I wonder how many of the US deaths are caused by the criminals coming over our open southern border?

I don't think it will compare with the inner city violence, but it's likely a notable percentage.

Bobcat-Ag said:

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Do you think allowing so many from Latin and South America across our border the last few decades has impacted our gun violence stats?

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Remove a certain racial demographic from US stats, and we drop way, way, way down in any ranking

A more thoughtful comparison of Japan's gun death rate with America's would include suicide methods. Japan has a high suicide rate despite the strict control of guns. I'm not trying to be crass or insensitive, but gun death rates are not directly comparable between countries, and choice of suicide method for cultural reasons is an example.

CanyonAg77 said:

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Remove a certain racial demographic from US stats, and we drop way, way, way down in any ranking

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Yep.

Which leads to the #1 criteria that is always ignored in the "studies" - culture. See Norway and Japan. Their stats are low because they are a mono-ethnic culture all pulling the same direction.

It's amazing how many leftists ignore what is right in front of their faces.

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Japan boasts a population of more than 127 million people, yet finished 2019 with a gun death rate of only .02 per 100,000 people. One major factor in this success is that Japan has some of the strictest gun control laws in the world. For Japanese citizens to purchase a gun, they must attend an all-day class, pass a written exam, and complete a shooting range test, scoring at least 95% accuracy. Candidates will also receive a mental health evaluation, performed at a hospital, and will have a comprehensive background check done by the government. Only shotguns and rifles can be purchased. The class and exam must be retaken every three years.

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Spit take...

ffs. Japanese Americans have the same (less "strict") access to firearms as any other American, yet they commit almost no murders

CanyonAg77 said:

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Remove a certain racial demographic from US stats, and we drop way, way, way down in any ranking

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Hell, you can drop three or four cities (granted, they are quite populous) and that stat drops way down.

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Countries with the Highest Total Gun Deaths (all causes) in 2019
Brazil 49,436
United States 37,038
Venezuela 28,515
Mexico 22,116
India 14,710
Colombia 13,169
Philippines 9,267
Guatemala 5,980

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Not Ukraine?

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Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019
El Salvador 36.78
Venezuela 33.27
Guatemala 29.06
Colombia 26.36
Brazil 21.93
Bahamas 21.52
Honduras 20.15
U.S. Virgin Islands 19.40
Puerto Rico 18.14
Mexico 16.41

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What? No Iraq or Afghanastan?

Your link says that 71% of gun deaths worldwide are homicides, and 21% were suicides.

In the US, 53% to 63% of gun deaths are suicides, depending on what year and whose number you find. Finding global data specific to homicides would be more helpful.

The US has fewer gun deaths than countries with a tenth of our gun ownership.

Japan in the example above has low gun ownership and low gun deaths. You can just as easily cherry pick countries with low gun ownership and high gun deaths. The Philippines is one example.

North Korea has the same gun ownership rate as Japan. They probably wish they could have more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_ownership

Edit: I didn't scroll down far enough to see the rest of the linked data. Some of it is more specific to homicides. There's probably other good comparisons if I took the time.

And how many of those are suicides? And what is the US rate vs other 1st world rates?

I'm PRO 2A. but these stats (as they stand) don't give me a warm and fuzzy. The one thing that sticks out to me is we need a STRONGER SOUTHERN BORDER.

The suicide info is critical and it most likely links with the mental health crisis we have in the US. There is linkage between to mental health issues and the "mass" shootings.

Not trying stigmatize mental health issues, but trying to look at root cause.

All the Dems are doing is playing political games with gun laws - they are all after-the-fact political based reactions. Unless root cause is addressed, the bad people will find other ways. The Dems are just playing shell games. Has anything been built back better? Has there been a unifying voice? The long term impacts of the Fraudci flu lockdowns are going to be bad.

Also, if you compared US gun homicides to other causes on a yearly basis, it's still pretty low. Accidental falls, accidental poisonings, etc. are still two to four times higher. The homicide rate is typically twice the rate of pedestrians (non-occupants) killed in auto crashes each year, just for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Most of our gun homicides are inner city gangs that are already in the illegal drug business. Meaning that they already have access to a smuggling pipeline to Central/south America. They're almost certainly carrying illegal if they're carrying. More gun laws are not going to keep them from getting more guns.

Those numbers pale in comparison to the tens of millions killed in the last 100 years by Genocide.
Governments being the worst perpetrators against unarmed populations.

CanyonAg77 said:

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Remove a certain racial demographic from US stats, and we drop way, way, way down in any ranking

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Or remove suicides, which since at least 1980 has constituted over half of "gun deaths" in the United States.

Some interesting graphical break downs:

https://usafacts.org/data/topics/security-safety/crime-and-justice/firearms/firearm-deaths/

Another case of lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Remove suicides and the US goes way down.

This is the same bull**** the anti-gun people use when classifying everything they can as a "school shooting."

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In truth, mass shootings account for only a small percentage of gun deaths in the United States. Rather, nearly two-thirds (63%) of gun deaths in the US in 2019 were suicides.

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These stats in the article don't seem to matter to grifting politicians looking to take advantage of tragedy to get their own face on the news or raise funds for themselves.

goatchze said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Remove a certain racial demographic from US stats, and we drop way, way, way down in any ranking

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Or remove suicides, which since at least 1980 has constituted over half of "gun deaths" in the United States.
Some interesting graphical break downs:

https://usafacts.org/data/topics/security-safety/crime-and-justice/firearms/firearm-deaths/

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So in 2020
611 were "Legal Intervention"
24,292 were suicide
19,384 were homicide
535 were unintentional
400 were undetermined

I feel that 611 number is low.

This shows there were 673 self-defense incidents and 1,453 deaths from self defense.

https://safeatlast.co/blog/gun-self-defense-statistics/

ETA: I found this interesting

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14. On average, a US citizen stops 2.3 deaths from a shooting rampage.

(American Gun Facts)

Gun self-defense statistics show that armed citizens kill 1,527 criminals a year, while police officers kill 606.

Surprisingly, however, citizens have a significantly lower error rate than police officers. American residents have a 2% error rate, while US police officers have an 11% error rate.

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Administration opening border to cultures with highest Violent Gun Deaths.

CanyonAg77 said:

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Remove a certain racial demographic from US stats, and we drop way, way, way down in any ranking

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Careful. I was called racist last week for bringing demographics into the discussion.

This was a 4chan post about Brazil. Freaking hilarious:

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Countries with the Highest Total Gun Deaths (all causes) in 2019

Brazil 49,436
United States 37,038
Venezuela 28,515
Mexico 22,116
India 14,710
Colombia 13,169
Philippines 9,267
Guatemala 5,980

Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019

El Salvador 36.78
Venezuela 33.27
Guatemala 29.06
Colombia 26.36
Brazil 21.93
Bahamas 21.52
Honduras 20.15
U.S. Virgin Islands 19.40
Puerto Rico 18.14
Mexico 16.41

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Gun problem or Catholic problem?
really surprised Jamaica was not on the per capita list

I call BS on the numbers from Mexico. Maybe they reported only 6 months.

I believe that in the United States that almost 2/3 of all gun deaths are suicides. If we also remove legal shootings such as self defense, Law Enforcement involved and accidents that number drops to probably 25% - 30% of firearm deaths are actual murders or illegal shootings.

If we were also to remove all the gang related and/or black on black cultural related shootings then we are probably one of the safer countries in the world.

YouBet said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Remove a certain racial demographic from US stats, and we drop way, way, way down in any ranking

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Yep.

Which leads to the #1 criteria that is always ignored in the "studies" - culture. See Norway and Japan. Their stats are low because they are a mono-ethnic culture all pulling the same direction.

It's amazing how many leftists ignore what is right in front of their faces.

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It's their core voting block

B-1 83 said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Remove a certain racial demographic from US stats, and we drop way, way, way down in any ranking

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Hell, you can drop three or four cities (granted, they are quite populous) and that stat drops way down.

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And those cities generally have a few things in common:

1. A high percentage of a certain demographic
2. Democrat leadership for likely decades
3. Generational reliance on the welfare system

WestTexAg12 said:

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goatchze said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Remove a certain racial demographic from US stats, and we drop way, way, way down in any ranking

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Or remove suicides, which since at least 1980 has constituted over half of "gun deaths" in the United States.
Some interesting graphical break downs:

https://usafacts.org/data/topics/security-safety/crime-and-justice/firearms/firearm-deaths/

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So in 2020
611 were "Legal Intervention"
24,292 were suicide
19,384 were homicide
535 were unintentional
400 were undetermined

I feel that 611 number is low.

This shows there were 673 self-defense incidents and 1,453 deaths from self defense.

https://safeatlast.co/blog/gun-self-defense-statistics/

ETA: I found this interesting

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14. On average, a US citizen stops 2.3 deaths from a shooting rampage.

(American Gun Facts)

Gun self-defense statistics show that armed citizens kill 1,527 criminals a year, while police officers kill 606.

Surprisingly, however, citizens have a significantly lower error rate than police officers. American residents have a 2% error rate, while US police officers have an 11% error rate.

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The source of the data is the CDC. Their definition of "Legal Intervention" is being shot and killed by law enforcement. So 611 vs the 606 in the source you provided. Pretty close.

• Legal intervention
  
  
  • Includes firearm injuries inflicted by the police or other law enforcement agents acting in the line of duty
    
    
    • For example, firearm injuries that occur while arresting or attempting to arrest someone, maintaining order, or ensuring safety
  • The term legal intervention is a commonly used external cause of injury classification. It does not indicate the legality of the circumstances surrounding the death.

https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/firearms/fastfact.html


I would assume self defense falls under homicide.

It usually does, because is still a gun death, just not one that has a guilty verdict attached to it. Why the person died due to getting shot doesn't matter to the left, just that it happened. The majority of the homicides are gang related. I think I saw a breakdown one time where when you remove self defense, suicide, accidental and gang shootings you are under 2000 deaths per year due to "gun violence" which means of you aren't in a gang or suicidal you have zero chance of being killed by a gun statistically.

Wait till you start looking into the old fallacy of a gun in the home makes you more likely to be killed by that gun. The study they referenc efor that was that most of the people that had a gun in the home and dies from a gun shot were killed by another gun, not the one in the home, again... bad neighborhoods and gangs.