Store where Uvalde gunman got rifle was at center of ammo smuggling case

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TxTarpon
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Store where Uvalde gunman got rifle was at center of ammo smuggling case

The gun store where the Uvalde mass shooter picked up an assault-style rifle he may have used to massacre 21 children and teachers at an elementary school was at the center of an ammunition smuggling case several years ago.

Oasis Outback sold more than 10,000 rounds of ammunition on the same day to an Eagle Pass businessman who gave them to Mexican cartel operatives, court records show.

"That's very significant, and it's close to the border so you know where it's going," said Davy Aguilera, a retired agent with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms who previously led the ATF office in San Antonio. "It's obviously going to a bad guy to sell, transport or to use it. The general public is not going to buy that much."
Not illegal.
You can refuse to sell, but hey, $$$$$.


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Oasis Outback wasn't accused of violating any laws governing the sale of ammunition.
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In March 2009, agents found that, during three separate transactions within a three-hour period, Farhat paid almost $6,000 cash for more than 10,000 rounds of .223 and 5.56 x 45 mm ammunition at Oasis Outback.

"That's a lot of money," Aguilera said. "The store is making a lot of money."
It took him three hours?
BigRobSA
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Drove by that today. Twice.
"The Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution was never designed to restrain the people. It was designed to restrain the government."
BQ78
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You know the dealership in Wisconsin didn't try to find out if the Christmas parade guy was a good guy or not either.
Hydrocele_aggie
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BigRobSA said:

Drove by that today. Twice.


You ok ?
fixer
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Lmao.

Yeah this isn't suspicious AT All
Squadron7
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$6000?

Well, it was either the cartels or one of about three people I know in town.
Waiting on a Natty
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I hate it was the Oasis. They have good food there. Good store.
ProgN
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Well all those guns Obama and Holder gave them required a lot of ammo.
96AgGrad
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Squadron7 said:

$6000?

Well, it was either the cartels or one of about three people I know in town.
Exactly. There are plenty of shooters and preppers that would buy 10k rounds.
rausr
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Got my out-of-state hunting license there a few years ago.
P.U.T.U
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Any Fast and the Furious background?
Rapier108
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And yet they broke no law in selling the ammo.

This is just another attempt at a smear like they did earlier today with Daniel Defense.
GeeBee
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Seems like a high price for 2009. Is that the "don't ask, don't tell" or "I see nothing,I hear nothing" surcharge?
Anna Molly
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Honest question from a non gun owner (who does not want to take your guns): is purchasing 10,000 rounds of ammo in one day "normal"? That seems like a lot to me, looking from the outside. If existing legislation was modified to prevent bad actors from (as of now legally) wreaking havoc, but not unduly burdening responsible gun owners, in the aim of preventing more senseless deaths…would it be reasonable to put a limit on the number of rounds purchased in a single day or week or whatever? Or limit magazines to a certain capacity? Yes I'm aware that some would consider that "infringement." I also know that responsible gun owners are not the ones going on killing sprees. Hence my question: if you're just Greg the Gun Owner or Patrick the Prepper, do you want/need that many rounds?

I know this is not only TexAgs but F16 on TexAgs. Still: honest answers sincerely appreciated. Please and thank you.
mosdefn14
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That place does some serious business most Labor Day weekends. Half of the dove outfitters in the county use it as a staging place. $6k transaction is nothing.
96AgGrad
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Anna Molly said:

Honest question from a non gun owner (who does not want to take your guns): is purchasing 10,000 rounds of ammo in one day "normal"? That seems like a lot to me, looking from the outside. If existing legislation was modified to prevent bad actors from (as of now legally) wreaking havoc, but not unduly burdening responsible gun owners, in the aim of preventing more senseless deaths…would it be reasonable to put a limit on the number of rounds purchased in a single day or week or whatever? Or limit magazines to a certain capacity? Yes I'm aware that some would consider that "infringement." I also know that responsible gun owners are not the ones going on killing sprees. Hence my question: if you're just Greg the Gun Owner or Patrick the Prepper, do you want/need that many rounds?

I know this is not only TexAgs but F16 on TexAgs. Still: honest answers sincerely appreciated. Please and thank you.
10,000 rounds in one day isn't typical, but certain enthusiasts do buy in bulk, so it's not out of the realm of "normal".

I'm not sure why you think ammo would need to be limited. That would hurt the law abiding far more than it would a criminal. No mass shooting has consumed anywhere close to that amount of ammo.

To answer your other question, Greg shoots that much because he enjoys shooting. Patrick is concerned that it may be difficult to get ammo in the event that the SHTF.
D-Fens
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Place where a manufactured virus leaked and killed millions across the globe. No one even cares how it happened or how to prevent it from happening again.

RoadkillBBQ
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Anna Molly said:

Honest question from a non gun owner (who does not want to take your guns): is purchasing 10,000 rounds of ammo in one day "normal"? That seems like a lot to me, looking from the outside. If existing legislation was modified to prevent bad actors from (as of now legally) wreaking havoc, but not unduly burdening responsible gun owners, in the aim of preventing more senseless deaths…would it be reasonable to put a limit on the number of rounds purchased in a single day or week or whatever? Or limit magazines to a certain capacity? Yes I'm aware that some would consider that "infringement." I also know that responsible gun owners are not the ones going on killing sprees. Hence my question: if you're just Greg the Gun Owner or Patrick the Prepper, do you want/need that many rounds?

I know this is not only TexAgs but F16 on TexAgs. Still: honest answers sincerely appreciated. Please and thank you.
What you are asking is a reason, any reason to pass additional laws to limit what LAW ABIDING citizens can purchase. Criminals don't care and will always find a way to subvert any laws. He was mentally deranged and no amount of laws would have prevented him from eventually doing something very evil.


Sterling82
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RoadkillBBQ said:

Anna Molly said:

Honest question from a non gun owner (who does not want to take your guns): is purchasing 10,000 rounds of ammo in one day "normal"? That seems like a lot to me, looking from the outside. If existing legislation was modified to prevent bad actors from (as of now legally) wreaking havoc, but not unduly burdening responsible gun owners, in the aim of preventing more senseless deaths…would it be reasonable to put a limit on the number of rounds purchased in a single day or week or whatever? Or limit magazines to a certain capacity? Yes I'm aware that some would consider that "infringement." I also know that responsible gun owners are not the ones going on killing sprees. Hence my question: if you're just Greg the Gun Owner or Patrick the Prepper, do you want/need that many rounds?

I know this is not only TexAgs but F16 on TexAgs. Still: honest answers sincerely appreciated. Please and thank you.
What you are asking is a reason, any reason to pass additional laws to limit what LAW ABIDING citizens can purchase. Criminals don't care and will always find a way to subvert any laws. He was mentally deranged and no amount of laws would have prevented him from eventually doing something very evil.




I tend to agree. Mistakes were made, people should have acted differently in the HEAT OF THE MOMENT. At the end of it, one person consumed by evil committed a heinous act. ONE. Looking for excuses to spread the blame out which eventually will spread out to sully millions of gun owners who never ever contemplate anything of this nature is a leftist narrative to ultimately get their wet dream to become reality.
Anna Molly
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"No mass shooting has consumed anywhere close to that amount of ammo." Thank you! That is what I needed to know. This is like explaining driving or riding a bike to someone who does neither. I'm asking for patience and grace.

Regarding limits: if a mass shooter has to stop and reload, that allows time for escape or counter-attack, right? So that could save lives.

I am simultaneously frustrated that 31 (counting just Buffalo and Uvalde, I know there are more) people are dead who should be alive, and frustrated because responsible gun owners aren't the ones doing this BS.
SMM48
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Nothing out the ordinary.

Especially since it has been hard to find. Ammo factories have been running 24-7.

Many will pick up 1000 rounds just because it's been few and far between, especially for the really good stuff.

General 556 fmj is currently 7.20 a dozen.

Question is. Why don't you own a firearm?
Anna Molly
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Thanks for the additional information!

As to why I don't already own: 1) I haven't had a need; 2) I know enough that I need more training before I have a weapon.

I'm definitely considering it.

Thanks everyone for your insight. I do appreciate it.
EKUAg
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D-Fens said:

Place where a manufactured virus leaked and killed millions across the globe. No one even cares how it happened or how to prevent it from happening again.




Why would they? How many of them are on the dole of China?
FCBlitz
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Anna Molly said:

Honest question from a non gun owner (who does not want to take your guns): is purchasing 10,000 rounds of ammo in one day "normal"? That seems like a lot to me, looking from the outside. If existing legislation was modified to prevent bad actors from (as of now legally) wreaking havoc, but not unduly burdening responsible gun owners, in the aim of preventing more senseless deaths…would it be reasonable to put a limit on the number of rounds purchased in a single day or week or whatever? Or limit magazines to a certain capacity? Yes I'm aware that some would consider that "infringement." I also know that responsible gun owners are not the ones going on killing sprees. Hence my question: if you're just Greg the Gun Owner or Patrick the Prepper, do you want/need that many rounds?

I know this is not only TexAgs but F16 on TexAgs. Still: honest answers sincerely appreciated. Please and thank you.


For me personally…..I would never beable to afford to buy 10k rounds.
Secolobo
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With all the ranches in the area….just another day of business clientele at the range.
Buzzy
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Anna Molly said:

Honest question from a non gun owner (who does not want to take your guns): is purchasing 10,000 rounds of ammo in one day "normal"? That seems like a lot to me, looking from the outside. If existing legislation was modified to prevent bad actors from (as of now legally) wreaking havoc, but not unduly burdening responsible gun owners, in the aim of preventing more senseless deaths…would it be reasonable to put a limit on the number of rounds purchased in a single day or week or whatever? Or limit magazines to a certain capacity? Yes I'm aware that some would consider that "infringement." I also know that responsible gun owners are not the ones going on killing sprees. Hence my question: if you're just Greg the Gun Owner or Patrick the Prepper, do you want/need that many rounds?

I know this is not only TexAgs but F16 on TexAgs. Still: honest answers sincerely appreciated. Please and thank you.
Yes.

You have to define 'bad actors', and any definition the government comes up with will unduly affect some innocent people, which is the whole problem.

Reasonable? No.

The issue with limiting magazines is one of practicality. You go to a gun range, the larger the capacity, the fewer times you need to reload. For target practice, this is what you want.

Limiting magazines won't stop someone who wants to kill people. Even with a 10 bullet limit, you carry a backpack and carry nine more, you're at 100 rounds. If you carry two guns and twenty clips, you're at 200 rounds. You shoot 200 people, did that 10 round limit do anything for you?

It isn't just an issue of infringement, it is an issue of practicality. Why push through legislation that doesn't solve the problem?
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