Diesel and DEF shortage

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itsyourboypookie
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Doesn't look good.

FJB

Guess I'll go ahead and order my delete kit.

AgNav93
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Small price to pay for climate change and no mean tweets comrade! What's your ESG score?
LMCane
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WTI up to $114.7 per barrel
CDUB98
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Embrace the glorious transition, comrade.
Stat Monitor Repairman
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I can feel the climate getting cooler.

Birds are singing.

I can hear the hum of a tesla driving by.
Front Range Ag
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DEF is urea and water.

We can come up with the water. Our farmers and cattle feeders can attest to the fact that finding a pot of gold under a rainbow and a steady supply of urea are about equally as likely.
TheEyeGuy
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I've been running the math. Won't take too much more for me to just start ubering to work.
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IndividualFreedom
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Remember, it is the govt. that mandates the DEF.
Kenneth_2003
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TheEyeGuy said:

I've been running the math. Won't take too much more for me to just start ubering to work.
That's funny... From what I've heard don't count on an Uber if time is important.
fixer
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Step one: invent emission and environmental objectives that are meaningless out of whole cloth; that require ridiculous modifications to trucks.

Step two: jack up the economy so that the require special juice is scarce.

Step 3: jack up energy markets to make diesel prohibitively expensive

Step 4 stand back and enjoy the chaos.
FrankWill
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Surprising we haven't seen it already since the hearing in the video took place a month ago...
texagbeliever
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TheEyeGuy said:

I've been running the math. Won't take too much more for me to just start ubering to work.
Wait till you see the $5 of hidden fees they add on. I was shocked when I had to use ride share a couple weeks ago.
javajaws
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TheEyeGuy said:

I've been running the math. Won't take too much more for me to just start ubering to work.
Sell the Hummer, buy a motorcycle

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin
jefe95
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Seriously. Think of the manufacturing required for the DEF. All of the plastic bottles that contain the def which are then discarded or maybe recycled. The manufacturing process for those containers. All the water that is used to make the DEF.

So has it really improved anything? Or has the reduced gas mileage actually made this more harmful than good?
ttha_aggie_09
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fixer said:

Step one: invent emission and environmental objectives that are meaningless out of whole cloth; that require ridiculous modifications to trucks.

Step two: jack up the economy so that the require special juice is scarce.

Step 3: jack up energy markets to make diesel prohibitively expensive

Step 4 stand back and enjoy the chaos.
Step 4: cost of ownership is so high that alternative options (electric/hydrogen) are now competitive

Step 5: stand back and watch the green companies (big lobbyists for these crooks) and their own bank accounts skyrocket

FIFY
IslanderAg04
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Sounds like it's time for a def delete.
jefe95
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Should be.

But then the EPA steps in under the clean air act and drags you in for a federal crime.

We've let this government "for the people" absolutely run us over.
PCC_80
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I hope that the DEF shortages effect the big Lib Cities first. No deliveries to their grocery stores or gas stations. They can all starve while knowing that they are saving the planet. Screw them, they voted for this.
Pookers
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javajaws said:

TheEyeGuy said:

I've been running the math. Won't take too much more for me to just start ubering to work.
Sell the Hummer, buy a motorcycle


I'll see if the local yamaha dealer has one of those.
cbr
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Lol def was a completely pure scam. It was disastrous for emissions, cost, reliability, and for real people. Pols got thei bull**** talking point. And their bribes. Their insiders got the def contracts and component contracts, their bureaucrats got to add fat back government jobs.

That's all it ever was. And everyone on earth other than useful idiots knows it
GeorgiAg
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GeorgiAg
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My truck is diesel. If the DEF gets to low, it nerfs the engine power.
cevans_40
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jefe95 said:

Seriously. Think of the manufacturing required for the DEF. All of the plastic bottles that contain the def which are then discarded or maybe recycled. The manufacturing process for those containers. All the water that is used to make the DEF.

So has it really improved anything? Or has the reduced gas mileage actually made this more harmful than good?

Absolutely it has and all the while making the machine less dependable.
Cen-Tex
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get ready for higher prices and more shortages. thanks Obama & Biden
AgResearch
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Cen-Tex said:

get ready for higher prices and more shortages. thanks Obama & Biden
It's all by design
Krautag81
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AgResearch said:

Cen-Tex said:

get ready for higher prices and more shortages. thanks Obama & Biden
It's all by design
I don't know if it's by design or they're just not smart enough to know what's going on. Incompetent POS's.
Jack Boyett
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I'm in Panama on vacation and the diesel is cheaper than gasoline. Gas prices are similar to USA. Not sure how that could be.
My Name Is Judge
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Serious question… I doubt I'll get an honest answer…

What was bad for you when Trump was in office?

He was literally kicking the **** out of everyone & everything that ****ed w America until Hoax virus came along….

What exactly did you think Biden would mend?


Or were you really just triggered that he tells like it is?
ShaggySLC
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It was fixed awhile back and they killed the guy

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IslanderAg04
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My Name Is Judge said:

Serious question… I doubt I'll get an honest answer…

What was bad for you when Trump was in office?

He was literally kicking the **** out of everyone & everything that ****ed w America until Hoax virus came along….

What exactly did you think Biden would mend?


Or were you really just triggered that he tells like it is?


He's the typical never Trumper.
rausr
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Think the DEF scheme started in Europe, and we followed suit.
XXXVII
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I copied this from the YouTube comments. Doesn't sound good if true.

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Do you know what DEF fluid is? It's Diesel Exhaust Fluid. Every Diesel truck that has been made since 2010 is required to use it. It's a product made of 32.5 percent urea and 67.5 percent deionized water. Every newer diesel truck you see driving down the road today has to have this product to drive (by law). DEF is sprayed into the exhaust stream by an advanced injection system and then converted into ammonia on a catalyst. The ammonia breaks down dangerous NOx emissions produced by diesel engines into nitrogen and water.. That's the purpose of DEF.
Right now, Russia is the largest exporter of Urea by a wide margin. Qatar is second. Egypt and China are Tied for 3rd. Both Russia and China have decided to no longer export Urea. On top of that, India is the largest manufacturer of Urea in the world even though they consume most of what they make. What little they would export..........they no longer do. They are now stopping the exportation of any and all Urea minus a deal they just cut with Sri Lanka.
What does this mean for you and me? Well, first, the United States imports most of it's Urea fertilizer. We are the third largest importer in the entire world. We depend on other countries to eat, drive and ship our products.
Secondly... Flying J is the largest Service provider for Truckers around the Unites States. I'm sure you've seen their massive gas stations when traveling around the country. Flying J gets 70% of their DEF fluid from shipments via Union Pacific railroad. UP has single user access to the Fertilizer plants that Urea/DEF fluid comes from. No other rail provider has access to these distribution points. This means Flying J can't just go around Union Pacific. Union Pacific is in charge....for a reason I'm gonna mention in a few paragraphs.
Flying J provides 30% of all DEF consumed in the United States. UP has told Flying J to reduce their shipments by a whopping 50%. And if they do not comply then they will be completely embargoed. That would in effect bankrupt FJ. This means that 15% of all DEF consumed by truckers in the US is no longer available at the largest travel service center for the entire trucking industry.
Rome rotted from the inside out. It was easily invaded because it was occupied with internal problems. It appears we have discovered the Trigger. DEF fluid. If this holds up, DEF shortages will be the catalyst that causes food shortages in the coming months. Not only is there a shortage of fertilizer to grow crops in drought-stricken states (See Kansas' drop in wheat production for 2022)....but....now it looks like, unless the Federal Government intervenes via the Defense Production Act, ...which I am no longer confident they will....there is gonna be an absolute massive shortage of trucking in the coming months.
There simply isn't going to be DEF fluid sufficient to keep the engines running and moving. Home Depot is now limiting the amount of DEF you can buy in their stores.
I would think long and hard about the decisions you are making right now. Where you live. What you spend money on. How you prepare. This is so real that the CEO of Flying J, Shameek Konar was summoned to a Surface Transportation Board hearing to give them all this info.
From what I'm reading....Blackrock is the majority shareholder of Union Pacific railroad. How is that important? Americas biggest fertilizer producer is CF Industries. Their largest shareholder is Blackrock. Blackrock controls the fertilizer industry in the U.S.. Union Pacific has exclusive rights to distribution points of fertilizer. Urea is fertilizer. Flying J needs Urea/DEF. Blackrock is controlling everything.
The Chairman of the BlackRock Investment Institute is Tom Donilon, President Obama's former National Security Advisor. Tom Donilon's brother, Mike Donilon is a Senior Advisor to Joe Biden. Tom Donilon's wife, Catherine Russell, is the White House Personnel Director. Tom Donilon's daughter, Sarah Donilon, who graduated college in 2019, now works on the White House National Security Council.
It appears Blackrock is spearheading the dismantling of the US system on behalf of the Globalists. And the first domino they are pushing over is the energy sector. They are using DEF to get the party started. This is one sector of the biggest downfalls in political repercussions this country has ever faced…

DeSantis 2024

FJB, FJB, FJB, etc
SociallyConditionedAg
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IndividualFreedom said:

Remember, it is the govt. that mandates the DEF.

And ULSD.
nortex97
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Obama remains the most expensive mistake America has ever made. He's the one running the show now, I am convinced (with his buddy Valerie), using their senile poopy pants mouthpiece only as that.
GeorgiAg
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IslanderAg04 said:

My Name Is Judge said:

Serious question… I doubt I'll get an honest answer…

What was bad for you when Trump was in office?

He was literally kicking the **** out of everyone & everything that ****ed w America until Hoax virus came along….

What exactly did you think Biden would mend?


Or were you really just triggered that he tells like it is?


He's the typical never Trumper.
Pretty much. Just really disliked Trump. I think the thing that did it for me was when my mom called her granddaughter a snowflake in really condescending tone and made her cry. Of course, she said something liberal and snowflaky, but still. She never would have done that before Trump. I never really had a problem with his policies per se, but he really just rubbed me the wrong way with the way he handled himself and what he said. I don't have that same viewpoint now. Bring back Trump!
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