I think one thing we can all agree on is that Satan would love to destroy the Catholic Church AND righteous Protestant Churches of whatever denomination. On that we can rally around together. I'm content to leave it to God to determine judgment of our respective faiths.

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I agree with you 100%. I was raised Southern Baptist and converted to The Holy Roman Catholic Church when I was 27. I see the strengths and weaknesses in each, but I never call out or "bash" the theology of either, nor the way they do their services. I do take great delight in pointing out the misconceptions some posters have about The Church.

To quote my parish priest when I did my Inquiry classes in Dumas, "We're probably all in for a surprise".

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I was raised Southern Baptist, went away from Christianity for 20 years as an avowed atheist, came back to the SBC a few years ago, and am now rebuilding my previously lost faith. I'm a much different person than I was as a kid. Unlike many I will never disparage anyone of any denomination unless they speak of leftists beliefs, woke ideology, and other demonstrably anti-biblical and anti-Christian beliefs. I have no issues calling this heretical because it is, to all Christians. Dogma and specific ideology does not matter to me much provided you remain steadfast against the culture of the world and understand our religion is being attacked from all sides, being infiltrated at all levels by Satan and his followers, and worse.

I would gladly die beside a Catholic defending Christianity from the monsters lurking in the world. We know the elites hate us and want nothing more than to see us destroyed. The time for infighting is over and I don't really understand why anyone of any denomination would engage in it. Our enemies have surrounded us and are using our division to slowly subvert us from the inside and attack our divisions from outside.

The future is bleak for us regardless of whether the end times are upon us. Why do the enemy's job for him?

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I think one thing we can all agree on is that Satan would love to destroy the Catholic Church AND righteous Protestant Churches of whatever denomination. On that we can rally around together. I'm content to leave it to God to determine judgment of our respective faiths.

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Exactly, someone else finally gets it!

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utah, get me two said:

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Southern Baptists and evangelicals are weird. Their concert churches are blasphemous and show how little attention they can devote to faith without making it a spectacle

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Catholic mass is also a spectacle, just a different kind than the Baptists.

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And there it is! It took a little time, but F16 lived up to its reputation. Well done, and thanks for carrying the torch.

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I don't disparage Catholic mass but you are expecting a double standard. You have no issues with someone calling a Baptist church heretical yet you whine like a child when someone says the same of Catholicism. You clearly have thin skin and need to learn to handle criticism of your faith without throwing a tantrum. In other words, you need to read more of Paul's letters to learn how to deal with criticism.

My faith with Jesus is between him and me alone. Why should I care what others think about my church when it does not affect my own beliefs? I try to remain steadfast in the face of it all and turn my attention to what is actually important. None of what is posted here is important and it never will be important. Paul spoke of these things often.

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First I must say that I would never question the righteous Protestant is not genuine in his faith. That is not for me to judge, Protestants and Catholics have the same access to the Truth in scripture.

The question I have regarding the bolded above is how do you know you have been educated properly in your faith if it relies so heavily on self determination? If every protestant church is an island unto itself, there is a high risk that each church will teach a different doctrine, a different faith to some degree or other. I find it very strange when my protestant friends 'shop' for different churches to find one they like or a pastor that is more agreeable to them. That sounds like prime grounds for the introduction of heresy.

The Catholic Church structure was largely formed in the early centuries as a means to counter against heresy and is still it's main responsibility along with teaching. Heresy in the early days was a significant problem. Just yesterday the readings at Mass addressed this in fact. Acts 15:1-2, 22-29.

I would like to know how the Protestant faith guards itself against heresy if there is no central authority and inconsistent preaching. Serious question.

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If you rely on humans or human creations to support your faith then it will always be fragile. I put my trust into Jesus, not into earthly things. Oh sure I am smart and I work hard and am physically fit, but none of what I really do matters all that much. God has a plan for me and If his plan is for me to suffer in my faith then so be it.

Heresy I believe is now readily obvious and out in the open. All LGBTQ and woke ideology is heretical to all of Christianity. Nothing about any of it is biblical. Abortion is heresy. Supporting adultery is heresy.

Yes interpreting the Bible can be difficult but the above are easy to recognize in the world. Paul speaks of living in the culture and dealing with it but not being "of the culture" in his letters often. The above things are all of the culture and are not remotely based on anything from the Bible. This is obviously Sarah's influence.

It used to be much harder to see heresy but I don't believe this is the case anymore. Satan is working openly and everything is all out in the public for everyone to see. Differences in dogma or doctrine really don't matter when it comes to the above issues because they are so incredibly minor.

Hedge was being insulting when he called Baptist worship a spectacle. I, however, was not insulting Catholic worship. "Spectacle" isn't always a negative descriptor.

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Any church who's leadership systematically covered up the sexual abuse of children, by silencing victims, discrediting them, keeping databases, shuffling clergy around, and failing to report these crimes to law enforcements has abandoned God.

Add churches of the Southern Baptist Convention to the list of places I refuse to worship.

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Where do you NOT refuse to worship? We'd like to help you find somewhere if you haven't.

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Ol_Ag's gonna have a hard time reconciling all of this in heaven one day. There's gonna be people from literally from every tribe nation and tongue and time worshipping Gods name in heaven, but my gosh they better kick out those who used grapefruit juice, practiced single immersion baptism, and had a guitar plugged in within 50 feet of the baptismal.

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What are you talking about. The first part about all nations languages and tribes worshipping together sounds awesome!

And I hope they pick all the best parts from each group to celebrate!