I thought this was just a Holy Roman Catholic Church issue…..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2022/05/22/southern-baptist-sex-abuse-report/



And it's nothing new……

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/article/Southern-Baptist-sexual-abuse-spreads-as-leaders-13588038.php

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"For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." - Romans 3:23

So, yeah.... not limited to just one religion.

What world do you live in that you think that this is just an issue with priests? It makes the news more when it involves the Catholic church, but sinful men are not unique to any one church.

Evil is everywhere. Even in the Church.

And it should be rooted out everywhere, especially in the church.

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What world do you live in that you think that this is just an issue with priests? It makes the news more when it involves the Catholic church, but sinful men are not unique to any one church.

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This is F16 where Catholic bashing is an art form, and the issue with sex abuse must be in at least one post in every thread involving The Church. I'm simply pointing out the concept that it does, indeed, permeate many denominations.

Gotcha, yeah this forum is pretty bad about being anti Catholic which is weird given how Catholic the former/current student population is

I'm not anti-Catholic. But I am anti-commie and anti-pedophile, which they've served up plenty of both. But if the southern baptists wanna enter the chat, ok. I'm an equal opportunity pedophile- and commie- hater

Edited- thanks Mooretrucker LOL

Prior to the current Jesuit pope, there were two very anti commie popes. JP2 was a huge factor in bringing down communism in Europe

Gee. I would thought that a system that allows free access to children with a hierarchical structure justified by fear of God would be free of abuse.

Baptist churches are run at the local level. There is no "Vatican" that sets policy or moves preachers. That means there is no higher human authority to protect preachers by moving them around.

This is no big gotcha. Humans are sinners.

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— Peter J. Hasson (@peterjhasson) May 19, 2022

These predators are going to gravitate to positions that give them access to children.



The world needs more people like Gary Plauche.

Any church who's leadership systematically covered up the sexual abuse of children, by silencing victims, discrediting them, keeping databases, shuffling clergy around, and failing to report these crimes to law enforcements has abandoned God.

Add churches of the Southern Baptist Convention to the list of places I refuse to worship.

No stomach for that. Butts in seats is the measurement for most churches. Can't offend folks.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Baptist churches are run at the local level. There is no "Vatican" that sets policy or moves preachers. That means there is no higher human authority to protect preachers by moving them around.

This is no big gotcha. Humans are sinners.

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Oh……I see now. Totally different.

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Baptist churches are run at the local level. There is no "Vatican" that sets policy or moves preachers. That means there is no higher human authority to protect preachers by moving them around.

This is no big gotcha. Humans are sinners.

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Oh……I see now. Totally different.

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Whether or not you agree, it is different.

Local cover up versus a top-down systematic coverup.

Don't confuse the sin of man with the truth of God. The church has always been full of sinners and that won't change in this life. God's truth is unchanged and is an entirely seperate conversation. Allowing your faith to be formed by man rather than God is exactly what Satan wants

Autonomous churches but let's bash the SBC and pretend it's all their fault.

I'm against any abuses of power, rape, affairs, cover up, etc. All of it is disqualifying of pastorship and an affront to our faith.

That being said, I knew about most of these beforehand. They did a crappy job of covering it up if that was their aim.

A lot of these can turn be fairly bunk. Remember the sexual assault and coverup at the Village?

The girl made the accusation years later. Said pastor was on leave. The family said "let's keep it quiet for now and let law enforcement do its' investigation." Then the family went public, completely shocking the church and accusing them of covering up. They had the emails to back it up that they had followed the family's wishes if I remember correctly.

Years later, the girl pulled the claim, dude went free. Village and this guy are accused of sexual assault and cover up, neither of which are true but are used in the news stories and statistics.

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Baptist churches are run at the local level. There is no "Vatican" that sets policy or moves preachers. That means there is no higher human authority to protect preachers by moving them around.

This is no big gotcha. Humans are sinners.

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Oh……I see now. Totally different.

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It is totally different. If you understood anything about why there was a Protestant Reformation that would be obvious. Protestants have a decentralized structure. There are countless varieties of Protestant churches and within each denomination you have great variety. There is no Pope or Cardinals. You have some leaders of each denomination for sure but they don't have a fraction of the authority of the Catholic Church because Churches can leave the denomination (and they will leave) to splinter off to another denomination or go non denominational. How many different Baptist Churches alone are there?

None of this has to do with it being horrible and that anyone involved should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. They absolutely should. It's just trying to compare a localized church scandal to one from a church with over a Billion members with a top down structure is "Totally Different".

Oh, and I personally think a lot less of Southern Baptists than Catholics. I actually have tremendous respect for the Catholic religion (though the Catholic Church literally persecuted my ancestors who were French Huguenots). I freely admit that going to the Vatican and seeing the Duomo in Florence is almost enough to convert someone alone. It's not my cup of tea but I respect it. Know some wonderful Southern Baptists as well but they always seem to be the Protestant denomination that gets the most bad press and has the most firebreathing evangelicals that are the worst sinners personally that gives Protestants a bad name even though most are wonderful people.

Its everywhere, not just in the Church.

Sorry, long. I skip over these myself usually but….

You hear most about the Catholic Church and most people go after the Catholic Church quite simply because of deeper pockets. Just like the commercials you see on TV I specifically asked if you've got problems with the Catholic Church of the Boy Scouts of America, it's because they have the deepest pockets. If you were to call that line about some local nondenominational church that was literally running a sex traffic ring out of the back of the church those lawyers would not give a rip because no money. You want to know what's a bigger problem then any of the church denominations right under our noses is the school systems. But have you ever heard of a lawsuit in Texas about sexual assault in the school system that paid out lots of money? May be but I don't seen to recall any. Lots of people get fired and lots of people go to jail but there's no money in it for some reason. And problem is most abusers just get fired and pushed to another school district and schools never say a word and the predation continues. Talk about covering up!?! I am quite certain with all the coverups I've heard in the public school system over the years and with all the nut jobs in this CRT going on right now that the school system is a much bigger problem than the churches. But those liberal groups work deflection and division which is why they keep bringing up church problems trying to deflect the issue at hand which is the crap is in our school system and being accepted. This is not unique to the Catholic or Baptist churches….. just deeper pockets to go after and easy spoon to stir to get everybody angry at each other and forget issues these folks want ignored. Christians have a lot more to combat these days without tearing each other apart…….. all part of the lefts plan

The big issue isn't the sin

It's the cover up of the sin and then what's worse is the denial of it

I am not a so baptist or catholic but I have been both in my life

All denominations have wolves in sheep clothes

The pope just happens to be the biggest bad wolf. Commie, a fraud, a universalism guy, a one world govt guy and I believe had something to do with the election infrastructure compromise that stole our election.

The hard part in catholicism is men not married to woman. It's not natural and only a very few small amount of men can do that per the scripture and then you are surrounded by boys whom you have tremendous power over. And we are in a very sexualized society. Sex is everywhere. That fuels lust

Most homosexuality is at the end lust of the flesh. Looking at straight porn is lust of the flesh. And yes pedophilia is lust of the flesh. When you deal more into deviant behavior the lust of flesh become callused.

Non believes love to throw stones at the institution

The institution isn't the church those are businesses

The ecclesia sp Or church are the people, not the institutions. The people sin and we don't always live holy as we are commanded and many freely sin with no natural repentance which should make someone look in mirror and ask do i have a transformed heart?

But he died and took the punishment for that sin. We all have come short. He knows our heart. But go sin no more

It's almost like giving unsuspecting private access to children will attract the kinds of people who want that.

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Autonomous churches but let's bash the SBC and pretend it's all their fault.

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I'm not seeing anyone pretending that it is the fault of the SBC, but the news item does state:

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The report asserts that an Executive Committee staffer maintained a list of Baptist ministers accused of abuse, but there is no indication anyone "took any action to ensure that the accused ministers were no longer in positions of power at SBC churches."

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It does seem that the cover-up at least involved top-level executives who, at a minimum, turned a blind eye to the abuse.

Imagine the outrage if the NEA had been doing the same thing. The fact that abusers in the various local school systems are identified and dealt with at the local levels pretty much proves the NEA does not hide this type of abuse.

DannyDuberstein said:

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I'm not anti-Catholic. But I am anti-commie and anti-pedophile, which they've served up plenty of both. But if the southern baptists wanna enter the chat, ok. I'm an equal opportunity pedophile- and commie-hater

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Those hyphens are important.....

With some urged to have abortions and forgive the attackers. Stay classy Baptist.

I don't know much about the SBC structure, but baptists organically are a congregationally driven denomination, not managed top-down a la RCC/Orthodox/UMC and some others.

Youth pastors are always generally younger (which coincides with more hormones etc.), and prone to be...well problematic in their actions, imho.

This is very sad to read. I hope the trash is prosecuted, the victims are supported, and the SBC figures out a way to ensure this doesn't happen moving forward.

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Tom Doniphon said:

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Autonomous churches but let's bash the SBC and pretend it's all their fault.

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I'm not seeing anyone pretending that it is the fault of the SBC, but the news item does state:

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The report asserts that an Executive Committee staffer maintained a list of Baptist ministers accused of abuse, but there is no indication anyone "took any action to ensure that the accused ministers were no longer in positions of power at SBC churches."

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Link

It does seem that the cover-up at least involved top-level executives who, at a minimum, turned a blind eye to the abuse.

Imagine the outrage if the NEA had been doing the same thing. The fact that abusers in the various local school systems are identified and dealt with at the local levels pretty much proves the NEA does not hide this type of abuse.

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Executive staff at the SBC has zero authority over the member churches. It's up to those individual congregations to hire and fire their pastors.

Imagine that. A large organization run and managed by humans, is trying to protect its existence instead of focusing on its core mission.

Pedophiles try to involve themselves in ALL organizations that allow them access to children.

DannyDuberstein said:

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I'm not anti-Catholic. But I am anti-commie and anti-pedophile, which they've served up plenty of both. But if the southern baptists wanna enter the chat, ok. I'm an equal opportunity pedophile and commie hater

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So, if you are against any religion that has any pedophile, then you are anti-religion, because I've not heard of ANY religion that has zero.

MooreTrucker said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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I'm not anti-Catholic. But I am anti-commie and anti-pedophile, which they've served up plenty of both. But if the southern baptists wanna enter the chat, ok. I'm an equal opportunity pedophile- and commie-hater

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Those hyphens are important.....

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LOL. Thanks.

The bigger issue is the church is covering up these sexual assaults.

You couldn't do that today.

Because there aren't any pay phones to hide your intentions as you stand with your back turned.