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Back to the point of the article - we'd have a lot better candidates if we got rid of the primary system completely because it incentivizes the candidates to race to the extremes, with the most recent example being ending up with a right wing lunatic vs. a full blown socialist for governor in Pennsylvania. Ranked choice let's the moderates who probably make up the middle 70% of the country vote for candidates who are a more accurate representation of the general public. Unfortunately the parties both need the primaries for fundraising purposes so it'll never be fully adopted.

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Moderates are the worst. They don't believe in anything. They are just trying to figure out what the people like so they can get power. And the average voter is a moron. We don't want anybody leading like that.

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Moderates make their decisions on an issue by issue basis vs just putting on one color jersey or the other. I can see why that concept is confusing to this board though.

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I agree that the ballot harvesting operation made the difference in swing states.

The election was within the "margin of fraud" because Trump was uniquely polarizing.

Those are not mutually exclusive.

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So would you say it is accurate to say that Trump would have won without massive coordinated leftist voter malfeasance in 2020?

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Yes.

It is also accurate to say that Trump set conditions that made such exploitation possible.

If you drive on bald tires and hit a pothole and have a blowout, what's at fault? The pothole? Or inadequate tires that couldn't withstand the drive?

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Back to the point of the article - we'd have a lot better candidates if we got rid of the primary system completely because it incentivizes the candidates to race to the extremes, with the most recent example being ending up with a right wing lunatic vs. a full blown socialist for governor in Pennsylvania. Ranked choice let's the moderates who probably make up the middle 70% of the country vote for candidates who are a more accurate representation of the general public. Unfortunately the parties both need the primaries for fundraising purposes so it'll never be fully adopted.

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Moderates are the worst. They don't believe in anything. They are just trying to figure out what the people like so they can get power. And the average voter is a moron. We don't want anybody leading like that.

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Moderates make their decisions on an issue by issue basis vs just putting on one color jersey or the other. I can see why that concept is confusing to this board though.

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Feelings. That's what basis 'moderates' make decisions on. FIFY.

The concept that 'well maybe the communists are right this time' is confusing to them, as it feels like it should at some point be true.

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Back to the point of the article - we'd have a lot better candidates if we got rid of the primary system completely because it incentivizes the candidates to race to the extremes, with the most recent example being ending up with a right wing lunatic vs. a full blown socialist for governor in Pennsylvania. Ranked choice let's the moderates who probably make up the middle 70% of the country vote for candidates who are a more accurate representation of the general public. Unfortunately the parties both need the primaries for fundraising purposes so it'll never be fully adopted.

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Moderates are the worst. They don't believe in anything. They are just trying to figure out what the people like so they can get power. And the average voter is a moron. We don't want anybody leading like that.

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Moderates make their decisions on an issue by issue basis vs just putting on one color jersey or the other. I can see why that concept is confusing to this board though.

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Serious people develop a fundamental philosophy that all their issues thoughts are based on. They don't merely think 1 inch deep. They realize that things like corporates subsidies and welfare are fundamentally the same issue. They don't think personal welfare is good but corporate welfare is bad. The smart among us realize that both are bad.

And unlike libs (and "concerned moderates"), this board is anti-jersey. That's why people like me bashed Trump and W while libs almost universally think Obama was black Jesus.

Bipartisanship is a failed ideal that should be purged. There is no compromise to be had with the Democrats of 2022 because they are anti-white, totalitarians. They need to be run out of office any chance we can possibly get and shunned forever.

If they want to compromise back to the right then we could listen to them, but compromise with them is always biased left.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Back to the point of the article - we'd have a lot better candidates if we got rid of the primary system completely because it incentivizes the candidates to race to the extremes, with the most recent example being ending up with a right wing lunatic vs. a full blown socialist for governor in Pennsylvania. Ranked choice let's the moderates who probably make up the middle 70% of the country vote for candidates who are a more accurate representation of the general public. Unfortunately the parties both need the primaries for fundraising purposes so it'll never be fully adopted.

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Moderates are the worst. They don't believe in anything. They are just trying to figure out what the people like so they can get power. And the average voter is a moron. We don't want anybody leading like that.

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Moderates make their decisions on an issue by issue basis vs just putting on one color jersey or the other. I can see why that concept is confusing to this board though.

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Aside from MJ decriminalization/legalization...which a sizeable chunk (maybe majority) of Republicans are good with...what modern leftist policies/positions do you align with? And what conservative positions do you shun?

I challenge you to answer honestly and in good faith.

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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aTmAg said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Back to the point of the article - we'd have a lot better candidates if we got rid of the primary system completely because it incentivizes the candidates to race to the extremes, with the most recent example being ending up with a right wing lunatic vs. a full blown socialist for governor in Pennsylvania. Ranked choice let's the moderates who probably make up the middle 70% of the country vote for candidates who are a more accurate representation of the general public. Unfortunately the parties both need the primaries for fundraising purposes so it'll never be fully adopted.

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Moderates are the worst. They don't believe in anything. They are just trying to figure out what the people like so they can get power. And the average voter is a moron. We don't want anybody leading like that.

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Moderates make their decisions on an issue by issue basis vs just putting on one color jersey or the other. I can see why that concept is confusing to this board though.

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Serious people develop a fundamental philosophy that all their issues thoughts are based on. They don't merely think 1 inch deep. They realize that things like corporates subsidies and welfare are fundamentally the same issue. They don't think personal welfare is good but corporate welfare is bad. The smart among us realize that both are bad.

And unlike libs (and "concerned moderates"), this board is anti-jersey. That's why people like me bashed Trump and W while libs almost universally think Obama was black Jesus.

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Calling this board anti-jersey is so factually incorrect I'm not even sure where to start. Any slightly negative comment about Trump is met with 30 people piling on calling the person a liberal moron etc. even for obvious conservatives who have never voted for someone on the left in their life. And yes I 100% agree the most vocal elements on the left did/does the same thing with Obama.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Back to the point of the article - we'd have a lot better candidates if we got rid of the primary system completely because it incentivizes the candidates to race to the extremes, with the most recent example being ending up with a right wing lunatic vs. a full blown socialist for governor in Pennsylvania. Ranked choice let's the moderates who probably make up the middle 70% of the country vote for candidates who are a more accurate representation of the general public. Unfortunately the parties both need the primaries for fundraising purposes so it'll never be fully adopted.

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Moderates are the worst. They don't believe in anything. They are just trying to figure out what the people like so they can get power. And the average voter is a moron. We don't want anybody leading like that.

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Moderates make their decisions on an issue by issue basis vs just putting on one color jersey or the other. I can see why that concept is confusing to this board though.

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Serious people develop a fundamental philosophy that all their issues thoughts are based on. They don't merely think 1 inch deep. They realize that things like corporates subsidies and welfare are fundamentally the same issue. They don't think personal welfare is good but corporate welfare is bad. The smart among us realize that both are bad.

And unlike libs (and "concerned moderates"), this board is anti-jersey. That's why people like me bashed Trump and W while libs almost universally think Obama was black Jesus.

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Calling this board anti-jersey is so factually incorrect I'm not even sure where to start. Any slightly negative comment about Trump is met with 30 people piling on calling the person a liberal moron etc. even for obvious conservatives who have never voted for someone on the left in their life. And yes I 100% agree the most vocal elements on the left did/does the same thing with Obama.

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Let's see:

Trump spent money like a drunken sailor. Far more than even Obama.


(I bet nobody calls me a liberal moron.)

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Back to the point of the article - we'd have a lot better candidates if we got rid of the primary system completely because it incentivizes the candidates to race to the extremes, with the most recent example being ending up with a right wing lunatic vs. a full blown socialist for governor in Pennsylvania. Ranked choice let's the moderates who probably make up the middle 70% of the country vote for candidates who are a more accurate representation of the general public. Unfortunately the parties both need the primaries for fundraising purposes so it'll never be fully adopted.

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Moderates are the worst. They don't believe in anything. They are just trying to figure out what the people like so they can get power. And the average voter is a moron. We don't want anybody leading like that.

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Moderates make their decisions on an issue by issue basis vs just putting on one color jersey or the other. I can see why that concept is confusing to this board though.

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Serious people develop a fundamental philosophy that all their issues thoughts are based on. They don't merely think 1 inch deep. They realize that things like corporates subsidies and welfare are fundamentally the same issue. They don't think personal welfare is good but corporate welfare is bad. The smart among us realize that both are bad.

And unlike libs (and "concerned moderates"), this board is anti-jersey. That's why people like me bashed Trump and W while libs almost universally think Obama was black Jesus.

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Exactly...I honestly found myself mostly defending Trump during his term (and after) because imho the VAST MAJORITY of criticisms and attacks against him were dishonest, absurd and unwarranted. But when he f'd up or said something stupid, I would call "Bad Trump" out. Most of his bad stuff was relatively superficial and petty in nature though...mostly just a nuisance...compared to the backdrop of anti-American dems actively seeking to completely overhaul this country to fit their warped and twisted vision.

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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aTmAg said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Back to the point of the article - we'd have a lot better candidates if we got rid of the primary system completely because it incentivizes the candidates to race to the extremes, with the most recent example being ending up with a right wing lunatic vs. a full blown socialist for governor in Pennsylvania. Ranked choice let's the moderates who probably make up the middle 70% of the country vote for candidates who are a more accurate representation of the general public. Unfortunately the parties both need the primaries for fundraising purposes so it'll never be fully adopted.

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Moderates are the worst. They don't believe in anything. They are just trying to figure out what the people like so they can get power. And the average voter is a moron. We don't want anybody leading like that.

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Moderates make their decisions on an issue by issue basis vs just putting on one color jersey or the other. I can see why that concept is confusing to this board though.

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Serious people develop a fundamental philosophy that all their issues thoughts are based on. They don't merely think 1 inch deep. They realize that things like corporates subsidies and welfare are fundamentally the same issue. They don't think personal welfare is good but corporate welfare is bad. The smart among us realize that both are bad.

And unlike libs (and "concerned moderates"), this board is anti-jersey. That's why people like me bashed Trump and W while libs almost universally think Obama was black Jesus.

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Calling this board anti-jersey is so factually incorrect I'm not even sure where to start. Any slightly negative comment about Trump is met with 30 people piling on calling the person a liberal moron etc. even for obvious conservatives who have never voted for someone on the left in their life. And yes I 100% agree the most vocal elements on the left did/does the same thing with Obama.

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Let's see:

Trump spent money like a drunken sailor. Far more than even Obama.


(I bet nobody calls me a liberal moron.)

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Pre-Covid? Or is that counting Covid stimulus? And if counting stimulus...are you blaming him for that?

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Back to the point of the article - we'd have a lot better candidates if we got rid of the primary system completely because it incentivizes the candidates to race to the extremes, with the most recent example being ending up with a right wing lunatic vs. a full blown socialist for governor in Pennsylvania. Ranked choice let's the moderates who probably make up the middle 70% of the country vote for candidates who are a more accurate representation of the general public. Unfortunately the parties both need the primaries for fundraising purposes so it'll never be fully adopted.

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Moderates are the worst. They don't believe in anything. They are just trying to figure out what the people like so they can get power. And the average voter is a moron. We don't want anybody leading like that.

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Moderates make their decisions on an issue by issue basis vs just putting on one color jersey or the other. I can see why that concept is confusing to this board though.

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Great. Too bad we don't have an elected official per issue then.

A vote for a Democrat even if you can find an outlier position where they would be considered 'moderate' still means they are voting overall for totalitarianism, oppression, and racism.

Really unfortunate but that is the reality of the Democrat party now - evil.

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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aTmAg said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Back to the point of the article - we'd have a lot better candidates if we got rid of the primary system completely because it incentivizes the candidates to race to the extremes, with the most recent example being ending up with a right wing lunatic vs. a full blown socialist for governor in Pennsylvania. Ranked choice let's the moderates who probably make up the middle 70% of the country vote for candidates who are a more accurate representation of the general public. Unfortunately the parties both need the primaries for fundraising purposes so it'll never be fully adopted.

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Moderates are the worst. They don't believe in anything. They are just trying to figure out what the people like so they can get power. And the average voter is a moron. We don't want anybody leading like that.

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Moderates make their decisions on an issue by issue basis vs just putting on one color jersey or the other. I can see why that concept is confusing to this board though.

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Serious people develop a fundamental philosophy that all their issues thoughts are based on. They don't merely think 1 inch deep. They realize that things like corporates subsidies and welfare are fundamentally the same issue. They don't think personal welfare is good but corporate welfare is bad. The smart among us realize that both are bad.

And unlike libs (and "concerned moderates"), this board is anti-jersey. That's why people like me bashed Trump and W while libs almost universally think Obama was black Jesus.

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Calling this board anti-jersey is so factually incorrect I'm not even sure where to start. Any slightly negative comment about Trump is met with 30 people piling on calling the person a liberal moron etc. even for obvious conservatives who have never voted for someone on the left in their life. And yes I 100% agree the most vocal elements on the left did/does the same thing with Obama.

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Let's see:

Trump spent money like a drunken sailor. Far more than even Obama.


(I bet nobody calls me a liberal moron.)

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Pre-Covid? Or is that counting Covid stimulus? And if counting stimulus...are you blaming him for that?

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Well his pre-covid ones were big too, but I was mostly talking about covid stimulus. And yes. There was no reason to shut the economy down and then pay people to not work (and flood the economy with cash). Even if covid was 10X worse, we don't want to expand the money supply when production goes down, we should contract the money supply to match the reduction of supplies to buy.

Now my bigger point is: that even if you disagree with me... I doubt you will call me a liberal moron.

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aTmAg said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Back to the point of the article - we'd have a lot better candidates if we got rid of the primary system completely because it incentivizes the candidates to race to the extremes, with the most recent example being ending up with a right wing lunatic vs. a full blown socialist for governor in Pennsylvania. Ranked choice let's the moderates who probably make up the middle 70% of the country vote for candidates who are a more accurate representation of the general public. Unfortunately the parties both need the primaries for fundraising purposes so it'll never be fully adopted.

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Moderates are the worst. They don't believe in anything. They are just trying to figure out what the people like so they can get power. And the average voter is a moron. We don't want anybody leading like that.

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Moderates make their decisions on an issue by issue basis vs just putting on one color jersey or the other. I can see why that concept is confusing to this board though.

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Serious people develop a fundamental philosophy that all their issues thoughts are based on. They don't merely think 1 inch deep. They realize that things like corporates subsidies and welfare are fundamentally the same issue. They don't think personal welfare is good but corporate welfare is bad. The smart among us realize that both are bad.

And unlike libs (and "concerned moderates"), this board is anti-jersey. That's why people like me bashed Trump and W while libs almost universally think Obama was black Jesus.

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Calling this board anti-jersey is so factually incorrect I'm not even sure where to start. Any slightly negative comment about Trump is met with 30 people piling on calling the person a liberal moron etc. even for obvious conservatives who have never voted for someone on the left in their life. And yes I 100% agree the most vocal elements on the left did/does the same thing with Obama.

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Let's see:

Trump spent money like a drunken sailor. Far more than even Obama.


(I bet nobody calls me a liberal moron.)

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Pre-Covid? Or is that counting Covid stimulus? And if counting stimulus...are you blaming him for that?

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Well his pre-covid ones were big too, but I was mostly talking about covid stimulus. And yes. There was no reason to shut the economy down and then pay people to not work (and flood the economy with cash). Even if covid was 10X worse, we don't want to expand the money supply when production goes down, we should contract the money supply to match the reduction of supplies to buy.

Now my bigger point is: that even if you disagree with me... I doubt you will call me a liberal moron.

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You're right on that last part. And I agree that the economy should not have been shut down AT ALL to begin with. That basically ensured that we would never ever be the same again. And if ANY Covid relief was going to go out to anyone, it should have somehow been limited to only those who had their jobs or businesses ripped away.

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Back to the point of the article - we'd have a lot better candidates if we got rid of the primary system completely because it incentivizes the candidates to race to the extremes, with the most recent example being ending up with a right wing lunatic vs. a full blown socialist for governor in Pennsylvania. Ranked choice let's the moderates who probably make up the middle 70% of the country vote for candidates who are a more accurate representation of the general public. Unfortunately the parties both need the primaries for fundraising purposes so it'll never be fully adopted.

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Moderates are the worst. They don't believe in anything. They are just trying to figure out what the people like so they can get power. And the average voter is a moron. We don't want anybody leading like that.

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Moderates make their decisions on an issue by issue basis vs just putting on one color jersey or the other. I can see why that concept is confusing to this board though.

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Aside from MJ decriminalization/legalization...which a sizeable chunk (maybe majority) of Republicans are good with...what modern leftist policies/positions do you align with? And what conservative positions do you shun?

I challenge you to answer honestly and in good faith.

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I don't think you're going to get the answer you want here since I've voted conservative or libertarian in every election so far. The far left has gone so extreme that there's nothing I agree with them on, but here are a few where I would say I'm out of line from most of the far right people on here, not so much in general view but likely to the degree that the view is believed, if that makes sense:
1. The election wasn't fraudulent and Trump lost because he's a divisive moron who has no self control. Edit: I'll add outside of likely a handful of cases that didn't have an impact on the overall outcome.
2. We should get a better handle on immigration but I don't think the world is ending because people are coming here illegally. There will be bad apples but most will assimilate and are just trying to make a better life for their family.
3. There is nothing wrong with gay people getting married or random individuals deciding to change their gender, as long as they are an adult and able to make that decision for themselves.
4. Agreed on weed and have no idea why it's still illegal.
5. This idea that people like Crenshaw, Kinsinger, Cruz etc. are so called RINOs for going against Trump despite voting conservatively 99% of the time.
6. Trump has spurred an army of grifters like MTG who have no interest in actually executing conservative policies and are only trying to get rich off of his base.
7. For the most part people on the left are not evil, they just have different opinions.

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So you actually think Biden got anywhere close to 81 million votes?

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aTmAg said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Back to the point of the article - we'd have a lot better candidates if we got rid of the primary system completely because it incentivizes the candidates to race to the extremes, with the most recent example being ending up with a right wing lunatic vs. a full blown socialist for governor in Pennsylvania. Ranked choice let's the moderates who probably make up the middle 70% of the country vote for candidates who are a more accurate representation of the general public. Unfortunately the parties both need the primaries for fundraising purposes so it'll never be fully adopted.

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Moderates are the worst. They don't believe in anything. They are just trying to figure out what the people like so they can get power. And the average voter is a moron. We don't want anybody leading like that.

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Moderates make their decisions on an issue by issue basis vs just putting on one color jersey or the other. I can see why that concept is confusing to this board though.

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Aside from MJ decriminalization/legalization...which a sizeable chunk (maybe majority) of Republicans are good with...what modern leftist policies/positions do you align with? And what conservative positions do you shun?

I challenge you to answer honestly and in good faith.

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I don't think you're going to get the answer you want here since I've voted conservative or libertarian in every election so far. The far left has gone so extreme that there's nothing I agree with them on, but here are a few where I would say I'm out of line from most of the far right people on here, not so much in general view but likely to the degree that the view is believed, if that makes sense:
1. The election wasn't fraudulent and Trump lost because he's a divisive moron who has no self control. Edit: I'll add outside of likely a handful of cases that didn't have an impact on the overall outcome.
2. We should get a better handle on immigration but I don't think the world is ending because people are coming here illegally. There will be bad apples but most will assimilate and are just trying to make a better life for their family.
3. There is nothing wrong with gay people getting married or random individuals deciding to change their gender, as long as they are an adult and able to make that decision for themselves.
4. Agreed on weed and have no idea why it's still illegal.
5. This idea that people like Crenshaw, Kinsinger, Cruz etc. are so called RINOs for going against Trump despite voting conservatively 99% of the time.
6. Trump has spurred an army of grifters like MTG who have no interest in actually executing conservative policies and are only trying to get rich off of his base.
7. For the most part people on the left are not evil, they just have different opinions.

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1. Have you seen 2000 mules?
5. I don't know anybody who calls Cruz a RINO. Crenshaw is called a RINO because of his support of red flag laws. Nothing to do with Trump.
6. What is MTG?
7. Some are evil some have different opinions (that I think are wrong). To me, women who go out of their way to have abortions and then get a shirt that states "I've had XX abortions" are flat out evil. I also think many of the dem politicians are lying. For example, why didn't they pass a minimum wage during the same period where Obama pushed Obamacare? Why didn't place like California pass a $15/hr minimum wage 10 years ago? Why are they waiting until 2023 after inflation makes it meaningless anyway? Democrats have owned every chamber over there. The reason is that they know it would destroy the economy and they don't want the blame. So they just talk a good game and refrain from actually passing it.

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Back to the point of the article - we'd have a lot better candidates if we got rid of the primary system completely because it incentivizes the candidates to race to the extremes, with the most recent example being ending up with a right wing lunatic vs. a full blown socialist for governor in Pennsylvania. Ranked choice let's the moderates who probably make up the middle 70% of the country vote for candidates who are a more accurate representation of the general public. Unfortunately the parties both need the primaries for fundraising purposes so it'll never be fully adopted.

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Moderates are the worst. They don't believe in anything. They are just trying to figure out what the people like so they can get power. And the average voter is a moron. We don't want anybody leading like that.

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Moderates make their decisions on an issue by issue basis vs just putting on one color jersey or the other. I can see why that concept is confusing to this board though.

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Aside from MJ decriminalization/legalization...which a sizeable chunk (maybe majority) of Republicans are good with...what modern leftist policies/positions do you align with? And what conservative positions do you shun?

I challenge you to answer honestly and in good faith.

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I don't think you're going to get the answer you want here since I've voted conservative or libertarian in every election so far. The far left has gone so extreme that there's nothing I agree with them on, but here are a few where I would say I'm out of line from most of the far right people on here, not so much in general view but likely to the degree that the view is believed, if that makes sense:
1. The election wasn't fraudulent and Trump lost because he's a divisive moron who has no self control. I think most who think it was shady still think the jury is out in terms of the magnitude of the fraud. On the other hand, every person I have ever encountered who says there was no fraud believes that to be a 100% absolute fact and won't even consider any other possibilities. You're a complete conspiracy theorist psycho if you even think the optics were very bad.
2. We should get a better handle on immigration but I don't think the world is ending because people are coming here illegally. There will be bad apples but most will assimilate and are just trying to make a better life for their family. I think most agree with this...I am considered "far right" and I can empathize with these people...Hell, I'd very likely do the same if born into their circumstance...and that is WHY we need to get control of it...because who in their right mind wouldn't do the same for their family? And if you live in a major metro area, it's quite a few bad apples.
3. There is nothing wrong with gay people getting married or random individuals deciding to change their gender, as long as they are an adult and able to make that decision for themselves. I think a lot of people agree with this...and we were assured over and over again that this would be the extent of it and that we need not worry about children being targeted and "bake the cake" type crap.
4. Agreed on weed and have no idea why it's still illegal.
5. This idea that people like Crenshaw, Kinsinger, Cruz etc. are so called RINOs for going against Trump despite voting conservatively 99% of the time. Yep, silly...but I think the vast majority here consider Cruz a true conservative.
6. Trump has spurred an army of grifters like MTG who have no interest in actually executing conservative policies and are only trying to get rich off of his base. You might be right...I honetly don't know too much about her. But I could see it.
7. For the most part people on the left are not evil, they just have different opinions. I think some are evil and twisted (the hardcore obsessed abortion and LGBTQ'ers for example)...but at a minimum, they are ALL useful idiots (many of which have noble or virtuous intentions) for corrupt anti-American forces. It is extremely frustrating. The other day every single educated liberal on my insta feed was touting the headlines about 192 heartless republicans voting against helping babies during the formula crisis...I did minimal digging only to find that Fox News was the only source who did any degree of accurate reporting on this whatsoever...there was actually another bill that addressed the issue more head on and in timely fashion, which they all supported...many of them were just against the other bill because it was simply throwing $28MM at the FDA...who is largely to blame for the current shortage and should not be let off the hook. But all of that is irrelevant...they pushed the propaganda out to who knows how many impressionable people in an effort to reinforce the stupid and played out "republicans only care about babies before they are born" narrative.

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So you actually think Biden got anywhere close to 81 million votes?

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Yes. A big chunk of them were more against Trump than for Biden in my opinion, but I don't believe anywhere close to enough were fraudulent to make a difference.

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Back to the point of the article - we'd have a lot better candidates if we got rid of the primary system completely because it incentivizes the candidates to race to the extremes, with the most recent example being ending up with a right wing lunatic vs. a full blown socialist for governor in Pennsylvania. Ranked choice let's the moderates who probably make up the middle 70% of the country vote for candidates who are a more accurate representation of the general public. Unfortunately the parties both need the primaries for fundraising purposes so it'll never be fully adopted.

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Moderates are the worst. They don't believe in anything. They are just trying to figure out what the people like so they can get power. And the average voter is a moron. We don't want anybody leading like that.

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Moderates make their decisions on an issue by issue basis vs just putting on one color jersey or the other. I can see why that concept is confusing to this board though.

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Aside from MJ decriminalization/legalization...which a sizeable chunk (maybe majority) of Republicans are good with...what modern leftist policies/positions do you align with? And what conservative positions do you shun?

I challenge you to answer honestly and in good faith.

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I don't think you're going to get the answer you want here since I've voted conservative or libertarian in every election so far. The far left has gone so extreme that there's nothing I agree with them on, but here are a few where I would say I'm out of line from most of the far right people on here, not so much in general view but likely to the degree that the view is believed, if that makes sense:
1. The election wasn't fraudulent and Trump lost because he's a divisive moron who has no self control. I think most who think it was shady still think the jury is out in terms of the magnitude of the fraud. On the other hand, every person I have ever encountered who says there was no fraud believes that to be a 100% absolute fact and won't even consider any other possibilities. You're a complete conspiracy theorist psycho if you even think the optics were very bad.
2. We should get a better handle on immigration but I don't think the world is ending because people are coming here illegally. There will be bad apples but most will assimilate and are just trying to make a better life for their family. I think most agree with this...I am considered "far right" and I can empathize with these people...Hell, I'd very likely do the same if born into their circumstance...and that is WHY we need to get control of it...because who in their right mind wouldn't do the same for their family? And if you live in a major metro area, it's quite a few bad apples.
3. There is nothing wrong with gay people getting married or random individuals deciding to change their gender, as long as they are an adult and able to make that decision for themselves. I think a lot of people agree with this...and we were assured over and over again that this would be the extent of it and that we need not worry about children being targeted and "bake the cake" type crap.
4. Agreed on weed and have no idea why it's still illegal.
5. This idea that people like Crenshaw, Kinsinger, Cruz etc. are so called RINOs for going against Trump despite voting conservatively 99% of the time. Yep, silly...but I think the vast majority here consider Cruz a true conservative.
6. Trump has spurred an army of grifters like MTG who have no interest in actually executing conservative policies and are only trying to get rich off of his base. You might be right...I honetly don't know too much about her. But I could see it.
7. For the most part people on the left are not evil, they just have different opinions. I think some are evil and twisted (the hardcore obsessed abortion and LGBTQ'ers for example)...but at a minimum, they are ALL useful idiots (many of which have noble or virtuous intentions) for corrupt anti-American forces. It is extremely frustrating. The other day every single educated liberal on my insta feed was touting the headlines about 192 heartless republicans voting against helping babies during the formula crisis...I did minimal digging only to find that Fox News was the only source who did any degree of accurate reporting on this whatsoever...there was actually another bill that addressed the issue more head on and in timely fashion, which they all supported...many of them were just against the other bill because it was simply throwing $28MM at the FDA...who is largely to blame for the current shortage and should not be let off the hook. But all of that is irrelevant...they pushed the propaganda out to who knows how many impressionable people in an effort to reinforce the stupid and played out "republicans only care about babies before they are born" narrative.

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All fair points. The media are the worst actors in our current situation as they are solely driving the partisanship because outrage pays their bills.

Wow I'm sorry for you. You've been brainwashed completely. There's a huge difference between ballots and actual votes. No need to explain further.

Rockdoc said:

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Wow I'm sorry for you. You've been brainwashed completely. There's a huge difference between ballots and actual votes. No need to explain further.

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Case in point - accusing tens of millions of people who don't believe that one of the most divisive candidates in history didn't get enough votes to win of being "brainwashed".

Moderates are nothing but fence sitting, farts in the wind.

Partisanship is a good thing. I like it when voters have a clearly delineated choice instead of Democrat or Democrat Light.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Rockdoc said:

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Wow I'm sorry for you. You've been brainwashed completely. There's a huge difference between ballots and actual votes. No need to explain further.

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Case in point - accusing tens of millions of people who don't believe that one of the most divisive candidates in history didn't get enough votes to win of being "brainwashed".

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As I said, no explanation is necessary. You choose to believe that and there's no going forward with it.
And I think you're very confused on which president is divisive.