*****OFFICIAL RUSSIAN-UKRAINE conflict BS thread *****

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Without knowing the source of the photo, it is meaningless.

Could be nothing more than the Rooters intern grabbed a random stock photo for the tweet.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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Rapier108 said:

Without knowing the source of the photo, it is meaningless.

Could be nothing more than the Rooters intern grabbed a random stock photo for the tweet.



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Members of the territorial defence force attend a training simulation for raiding a building occupied by enemy forces as they prepare for new assault, amid Russia's invasion of Ukraine, at an abandoned building in Sumy, Ukraine April 15, 2022.
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Really? Somebody prove me otherwise
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Prove otherwise from randos on twitter calling things fake with nothing to back it up?

Lol nah
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GAC06 said:

Prove otherwise from randos on twitter calling things fake with nothing to back it up?

Lol nah


Have you seen live combat footage from the front lines? I haven't…
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They just reuse stock photos without regard.

The paintball photo comes from training on April 15th.
https://pictures.reuters.com/archive/UKRAINE-CRISIS-SUMY-DEFENCE-RC2QNT9OBVMN.html
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TRM said:

They just reuse stock photos without regard.

The paintball photo comes from training on April 15th.
https://pictures.reuters.com/archive/UKRAINE-CRISIS-SUMY-DEFENCE-RC2QNT9OBVMN.html

The editor attaching the photo for the article/thumbnail has also probably never been in combat or even held a gun. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if they couldn't tell another country's patch or pattern from another.
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The only thing I know for certain is I have no idea who to trust in this stuff. Russia, Ukraine, and the Western Press are all far more interested in pushing narratives and propaganda than telling the truth. It's impossible to know what is true and what is not on either side.

One thing I do know though, there is no way in hell we should be spending the money we are spending on this while Europe is spending 1/3rd of what we are. Now they are talking about a "Marshall Plan" for Ukraine which sounds like it would take boondoggle to levels that would make all previous nation building efforts look like child's play.

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GinMan said:

GAC06 said:

Prove otherwise from randos on twitter calling things fake with nothing to back it up?

Lol nah

Have you seen live combat footage from the front lines? I haven't…


What are you implying specifically
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Fake war
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I kinda believe the stolen tank thing. I was OC for a battalion FTX and our OPFOR straight over ran a firing point and stolen an M109A6 Paladin from the inept battery. It was pretty funny actually. Mainly because the driver was this hillbilly kid from West Virginia and there were at least 10 dudes hanging out all the hatches just spraying blank rounds everywhere.
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I'm no war strategist….but everything they televise as "battle' is during daylight hours….
The US Military takes care of business in the cover of darkness….
In Ukraine they have battle during the day for media hype and good video…..I justify $100 billion of our tax money for Ukrainian defense
B.S.
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GinMan said:

I'm no war strategist.



Should have stopped there
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GinMan said:

I'm no war strategist….but everything they televise as "battle' is during daylight hours….
The US Military takes care of business in the cover of darkness….
In Ukraine they have battle during the day for media hype and good video…..I justify $100 billion of our tax money for Ukrainian defense
B.S.



This is....this is stunning. This is truly up there with our Holocaust denier we had a few years ago. Maybe more so tbh.

No words for you, mate. Not even going to try.
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JABQ04 said:

I kinda believe the stolen tank thing. I was OC for a battalion FTX and our OPFOR straight over ran a firing point and stolen an M109A6 Paladin from the inept battery. It was pretty funny actually. Mainly because the driver was this hillbilly kid from West Virginia and there were at least 10 dudes hanging out all the hatches just spraying blank rounds everywhere.


Some turncoat Afghan police stole an armored humvee from a sister company of ours. Just drove out with it.

Our attached dudes shot up one of our patrols "by accident" who returned fire and killed two of them. The next day every single one of them was gone, deserted. Not without taking most of our LAW rockets though. Stole them right under our noses. We had an SNCO sacked for that one.

It is absolutely plausible.
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Eliminatus said:

GinMan said:

I'm no war strategist….but everything they televise as "battle' is during daylight hours….
The US Military takes care of business in the cover of darkness….
In Ukraine they have battle during the day for media hype and good video…..I justify $100 billion of our tax money for Ukrainian defense
B.S.


This is truly up there with our Holocaust denier we had a few years ago..

I had a family friend/coworker that could prove him otherwise…Holocaust definitely real..

I'm not saying this conflict in Ukraine isn't real…. I'm just saying that something just ain't right about it all…. "Something is rotten in the state of Ukraine"… at the expense of our tax dollars
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GinMan,

You are correct, there is and will always be propaganda with war. War is expensive. Sadly for the lives of young Ukes and Russian, this is the best way it could play out for the safety of the West.

You should read Diplomacy by Henry Kissinger. While not Kissinger's main point, he really dives into the history of many proxy wars or "realpolitik". It is a very old and very effective strategy. It may be expensive, but it is a far less expensive (lives, money etc) way of neutralizing Putin's Russia than any other alternative. The examples include Richelieu using it to neutralize the Holy Roman Empire (Spain / Germans +), Metternich holding off the Russians, Bismarck uniting Prussia ("Germany") against Austria and the larger French threat.

Catholic Cardinal Richelieu even funded protestants to fight France's Catholic enemies. Proxy wars work.


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GinMan said:

Eliminatus said:

GinMan said:

I'm no war strategist….but everything they televise as "battle' is during daylight hours….
The US Military takes care of business in the cover of darkness….
In Ukraine they have battle during the day for media hype and good video…..I justify $100 billion of our tax money for Ukrainian defense
B.S.


This is truly up there with our Holocaust denier we had a few years ago..

I had a family friend/coworker that could prove him otherwise…Holocaust definitely real..

I'm not saying this conflict in Ukraine isn't real…. I'm just saying that something just ain't right about it all…. "Something is rotten in the state of Ukraine"… at the expense of our tax dollars


So if you think that "something ain't right" then what exactly do you think is happening there?
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