Homeschooling Kids

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Athanasius
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I have many strong opinions on this subject, which I've shared here before, but I want to poke in and add to this thread:

The public school system, as any government-run, or centrally administered entity, is based on a factory system. Inputs and outputs.

Public Education, in a very real way, is a product of the Industrial Revolution.

That isn't bad in-and-of-itself, but it is built for conformity, as many on here have said. It is built for quantitative outcomes, not the development of the human character.

A good follow/read is Steven Rummelsburg.

https://theimaginativeconservative.org/author/sjrummelsburg

He has been especially a good listen on Pints with Aquinas Podcast with Matt Fradd.

https://pintswithaquinas.com/episodes/
BlackGoldAg2011
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UnDisappointedAg said:

University model schooling if it is available in your area. Your child will attend school 3 times a week and at home getting taught by you twice a week. The child spends the most time a week with the family unit and you are fully aware of the curriculum. They also get to develop the social skills that are always available with 100% homeschooling.

Oakwell Academy is a Christian University Model school here in B/CS.
This is the route we are taking in Houston. I'll also add the other benefit as we saw it. My wife stays at home while I go to work so was going to be the primary instructor as well as day time caregiver. The school we are at does 2 days a week on campus, and this allows her to have 2 days away from her "job" to get other things done or just catch her breath without being bombarded with 100 questions/demands per minute. Basically the same benefit I get from a weekend that she wouldn't get since her job lives with her
cevans_40
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neutron said:

Guess it depends on your school district and where you live. My wife's also a teacher and we have a great school district, but we live in a small town also. Our Super was up for for superintendent of the year one time. He purposely threw the final interview by telling the panel how they still enforce corporal punishment and discipline is the only way to make things better.

That is probably a good indicator of the quality of the district.
AsburyAg
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tl/dr give it a try. It's worth the sacrifice.

JDUB
Fixer and A Net Full of Jello offered some very good insights and I'll add to what they said.

We've homeschooled all three of our since the first one was preschool aged starting in 2001. Our oldest is out of college, the middle just finished his freshman year at ETBU, and our youngest just finished 6th grade. So we've had a lot of experience. We would not do this any other way.

There are a few things to consider with homeschooling:
1) First and foremost, from a Christian perspective, are you called to this? From a secular perspective, is this the best option for you and your family? Every family shouldn't homeschool, but I think more would and should do it if they would open their minds to the possibility. If you think it is a viable option, then do it. You and your kids can (and will) benefit from it.

2) Second, if you homeschool, you must know this to homeschool, somethings will have to be sacrificed. Likely, that second income. But not necessarily. Dual income families do homeschool. They find creative solutions. They work their schedule so someone is always home with the child. A grand parent does the schooling. We know one family that the mother owns her own business and the kids would go to work with her and do their schooling in the back. If you want it to happen, it will.

For, us, it was my wife's income. If she had worked, would we have had a bigger house, nicer more frequent vacations, and newer cars? Sure. But nothing is worth more than my kids. Also sacrificed for us the definition of clean. It's a joke in our house, but a constant state of mess and dust is normal. Oh well.

You have to decide what will go.

3) The educational freedom is a blessing. My oldest hated science and math. If she had been in public school, she would have been that girl who struggled to make a "C" in both and would have fallen through the cracks. As it was, my wife could slow down in math and teach my daughter at her pace so that she could grasp and learn the subject well. In science, we could tailor her classes to her. She has always been fascinated by the stars, so she took astronomy in high school. I think her physics class involved Legos. Chemistry was a curriculum called "Friendly Chemistry," and my 6th grade son did it with her because he loved science. And math. But he hated writing papers. So my wife tailored his classes to him. My youngest loves rocks and geodes. So she will get those kinds of classes later on.

And the freedom is helped by a myriad of options. Co-ops. Online. Look at how MasonB teaches his son. www.youtube.com/c/OkieSchoolofAdventure. (He posts on the Outdoor Board.) Find what suits you best.

4) Family time is great. Like others, we take vacations when we want. We've been to Galveston, Branson, Hot Springs, Great Wolf Lodge, and Disney World during the off-season. Usually in May before schools let out. The prices are lower and the crowds are smaller. Disney World was a February 2015 trip. It was great. We even go to the movie on a Friday morning when no one is there.

Also, my kids have always gotten plenty of sleep. Back in March, my youngest had a track meet (which, a junior high track meet is one of the biggest Charlie Foxtrots I've ever been to), and we didn't get home to eat supper until 10:30. She got in bed at 11. Because of homeschooling, she was able to sleep until about 9:30/10 the next morning and then started school. I know there were public school kids at the meet who didn't get home until 11/11:30 on the bus, likely in bed by midnight, and out of the bed at 6:30 the next morning. That's a killer on kids. Even starting school at 10, she was done by 2.

5) Socialization is a myth. And what do you mean by socialization? Do you mean cutting in line, bullying, pushing and shoving the little kids, disrespect of teachers and friends? No. My kid cannot do that and is not socialized. Do you mean raising a hand and waiting for his turn, opening the door for the person behind him, and saying please and thank you while carrying on a conversation with an adult? Yes. My kid can do that and is socialized.

A friend, when asked about socialization, says, "You're right. I'm worried about my kids' socialization. Between choir, dance, orchestra, soccer practice, swim practice, art lessons, scouts, youth group and volunteering at the church food pantry, I think my kids get too much socialization. We barely have time to teach." Can homeschoolers be weird? Yes. Can all other kids, too? Yes. I think some homeschoolers are more comfortable in their weirdness. (But I cringe when I see the homeschoolinators. Ten kids, stair-stepped in age from 14 down to new born, with all the boys in blue dress pants and white short-sleeved button-down shirts and black orthopedic shoes, and the girls in denim jumpers. Gah that kills me.)

Which think about this weird kids are bullied in a traditional school setting. But so are tall skinny kids (that was me), and short fat kids, and poor kids, and smart kids, and on and on. Homeschooling offers some protection from that. A kid can be himself at home.

"What about sports?" What about it? My son and oldest daughter are both black belts in karate. My son played basketball and football on homeschool teams. My youngest runs track and will likely do cross country or basketball, too, next year. Depending on where you live, there are homeschool teams especially in bigger cities. In Texas, public schools can allow homeschoolers to participate in every UIL sponsored activities. Other states have similar options.

"What about prom?" Really? Thirteen years of public indoctrination for that one night? Plus, I've know homeschool kids who have been to 3 proms in one year.

6) I've known a public school administrator, a public school principal, a science teacher, a band director, and an ag teacher who all homeschool their kids. That says something to me.

I'm sorry I've gone on for so long, and congratulations if you made it this far. I'm obviously passionate about this. But investigate it more. It could be a good thing for your kids. If you want even more input, shoot me an email. jeffgage91 at gmail dot com.
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JDUB08AG said:

I grew up in public schools. Never once thought about homeschooling my kids. My wife and I have seriously been discussing it lately. She is a teacher and has so many stories that absolutely terrify me as a parent and it only seems to get worse each year.

We very likely will make this leap next year. Anyone else going through this? I want my kids to face the realities of life, but at the same time, it's just too much and I don't see public education getting better.
Others have already added useful information, but I'll also add this: your instincts are absolutely correct. The system is failing, and many great teachers are fed up. There is no discipline, the parents of many students are abusive, rude, and vile to school staff, and in many schools it's physically unsafe. Here's an example from the Teacher Retirement System website



This message is partially accurate - it's almost impossible to get someone on the phone. But they are misleading to suggest "pandemic-related staffing shortage" - the TRS staff is overworked because there's so many retirements. Many young teachers are taking other jobs, and those that are eligible for retirement are done.
NoahAg
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I always laugh at the "but how will they SoCiAlIzE?!" comments about homeschoolers.

1. Public school: Sit down and be quiet for 7 hours.
2. Frankly, there are too many kids that I don't want my kids socializing with.
3. We have so many opportunities for positive socialization.
4. As for carrying on conversations and public speaking, I would put my kids up against any of their public school peers.
Let's go, Brandon!
Jason_Roofer
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Several years ago, I lost my job in oil and gas. We made a drastic decision to pull the kids out of private school, sell the farm, move to the ranch and start our own business. We are 100% self employed. We own a business and im obviously an independent contractor. Because of that, homeschooling made the most sense. It's been amazing. The wife handles the school and our business and I pickup the business overflow and my contracting. The kids are well ahead of their peers academically and socially and it allows us a flexibility that was impossible before. We can get school knocked out before noon and have the rest of the day for ranch work and horse shows which the kids are heavily involved in. If we need to take off Wednesday to Friday for whatever, we do it. Today is a good example. My work load was light and finished by 11am, kids are done with school, and we have the rest of the day to do whatever the hell we want.

There is so much time wasted in school it's unbelievable. I was all public school and never even realized how much time was wasted. The kids can have targeted curricula, we can teach at their pace. We don't have to wait for the average student to catch up. We don't worry about my kids dealing with LGBTQ stuff in the girls locker rooms. We don't deal with fights. We don't deal with bullies. We surround ourselves with like minded people that do what we like to do, such as local rodeos, and you don't end up with a lot of jerks cutting you down. It's a lot more like real life than public school. The kids are involved with day to day business, they know our finances, they know our struggles, they know when we succeed, they see life without being separated from it at school 8 hours a day.

Remember, no one has an interest in your kids like you do.

Homeschooling is not always an option for everyone, but if it at all can be done, you should.

It's not all peaches and cream though. The kids fight it sometimes, but the difference is public school kids know the teacher can't do jack about bad behavior. My kids teacher will break her foot off in their ass and they know it and all appeals to me will fall upon deaf ears.
fixer
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I could have written that myself word for word except for rodeos and I'm still in O&G.
TxAgPreacher
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Public school was a joke for me. Too easy. I wasn't challenged so I felt like it was a waste of my time, and I didn't try. Big mistake obviously. I'm hoping to challenge my kids more. Also If enough pull out they will loose funding. It will get their attention, and maybe they'll improve.

We just decided we are going to homeschool starting next year. We would do private if we could afford it.
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JDUB08AG said:

I grew up in public schools. Never once thought about homeschooling my kids. My wife and I have seriously been discussing it lately. She is a teacher and has so many stories that absolutely terrify me as a parent and it only seems to get worse each year.

We very likely will make this leap next year. Anyone else going through this? I want my kids to face the realities of life, but at the same time, it's just too much and I don't see public education getting better.


Seems you're one of those people who would laugh at us who have home schooled our kids from day one because even though we were ahead of the curve in identifying the cultural rot gut in the public system, in your opinion our kids would "be weird" and "not know the real world" and wouldn't "adjust socially". However, now that you're considering it, it doesn't seem so crazy. Ok.
JDUB08AG
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Womackster said:

JDUB08AG said:

I grew up in public schools. Never once thought about homeschooling my kids. My wife and I have seriously been discussing it lately. She is a teacher and has so many stories that absolutely terrify me as a parent and it only seems to get worse each year.

We very likely will make this leap next year. Anyone else going through this? I want my kids to face the realities of life, but at the same time, it's just too much and I don't see public education getting better.


Seems you're one of those people who would laugh at us who have home schooled our kids from day one because even though we were ahead of the curve in identifying the cultural rot gut in the public system, in your opinion our kids would "be weird" and "not know the real world" and wouldn't "adjust socially". However, now that you're considering it, it doesn't seem so crazy. Ok.


What?
Texasclipper
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We homeschooled our kid all the way through. Had he been in public school, i sure they would have labeled him because he didn't learn to read until the 3rd grade. Then all of the sudden, he got it! He just wasn't ready in 1st grade. Today, he's a senior at UTSA and already has a full time job line up.

There are many options for learning, especially in the upper grades. My kid did a lot of dual credit, but there are many classes you can take in person 1-2 days a week and complete the work at home. There are lots of sports opportunities. My son played competitive basketball for 10 years and had lots of friends. We had great flexibility as a family for vacations and family time. You can tailor the classes to your child's interests.

Are their weird homeschoolers? Yes. But there are also weird public schoolers too. Is homeschooling perfect and the solution to everything? Nope, but we avoided a LOT of BS by homeschooling.

Try it. You have nothing to lose.
MasonB
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I'm a dad that home/road schools my son.

Looks like you have received a lot of good feedback here.

I'll just add:

I interact with a lot of museum docents and educational staffers. Everywhere I go they say the same thing. They love homeschool group visits because the kids are eager learners and generally know how to interact with adults and have good behavior.

They say when a regular school group comes they are lucky to have 10-20% interested in learning and even then those don't get much out of it because everyone is just trying to keep things from getting torn up or stolen.

Last week we were at the Pilgrim Plantation in Plymouth and saw it all first hand. There was a school group and there were Kids stealing and breaking displays, tormenting the goats and being rude to the characters.

My son's experience there was totally different - winnowed corn, read the Geneva Bible, sawed wood, helped build fence, watered the garden, talked with every character in a meaningful way - and damn sure didn't torment the goats or steal anything.

It was probably the one "field trip" for them for the year.

We do 3-10 field trips a week.

Tanya 93
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And everyone should check out Mason's channel on the homeschooling road trip adventures!

JDUB08AG
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The insights on this thread have been awesome, so thank you for everyone who contributed. It's helped with my thought process. And for those who have preconceived notions of where I stood before, I never thought home school kids were "weird." When you grow up public school, that is your norm and what you are comfortable with. I see the realities in front of me and really want what is best for my kids and family. Part of that process is challenging what I "know."
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neutron said:

Guess it depends on your school district and where you live. My wife's also a teacher and we have a great school district, but we live in a small town also. Our Super was up for for superintendent of the year one time. He purposely threw the final interview by telling the panel how they still enforce corporal punishment and discipline is the only way to make things better.
I'm currently a school board trustee and I would hire this guy in a second.
If the pay's right, and it's legal, I'll do it...Well, if the pay's right, I'll do it.
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ActualTalkingThermos said:

From what I can gather around here, it depends why you do it. If you do it because of Covid it will make them fall behind and become crazy and depressed and drug addicted and basically ruin them for life. If you do it because they might have a nonbinary teacher with blue hair it will give them the armor of god and they will be unstoppable.
If you cant tell the difference between home schooling and "virtual school", and the year is 2022, you might be a completely ****ing ******ed idiot. Here's your sign.

-Jeff Foxworthy. Probably. Or anyone with a brain.
TheMasterplan
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Dumb response and not how we win.

There's been a lot of great posts and points about homeschooling. Homeschooling in groups as well sounds like a great idea.
Stasco
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My wife and I were 100% on the same train of thought as the OP a few years back. We've evolved a lot since then.

A lot of people here have already made good points, but I have a couple thoughts to add.

One HUGE elephant in the room I haven't seen mentioned is the advent of near universal smartphone usage. The vast majority of parents give their kids smartphones, with most of them justifying it with some form of the "everyone else is doing it" hand wave. Smartphones are poison for children. Hell, they're poison for adults. The average age that an American kid sees hardcore porn - not a playboy spread, mind you, but full blown violent gang bang filth - is 8 years old. Okay, so you don't give your kid a smartphone. You just send them to a public school classroom where every other kid has one. Think that'll solve the problem? I know we can't shelter our kids forever, but I don't think it's too much to keep them away from hardcore porn before they've had their first zit.

Smartphones are a complete gamechanger. Just for that issue alone you should either homeschool or find a private and/or charter school that strictly forbids all internet connected devices.

My second thought is just to echo what a lot of others here have already said about socialization. My wife and I were full blown public school normies when we got married. Homeschoolers were weirdos. We started coming around on homeschool gradually starting several years ago based on others we knew. Also, we moved to a traditional Catholic parish a couple years ago. We fully expected to encounter a ton of really awkward trad weirdos, but our experience has been 180 degrees apart from that. There are lots of big families, but the vast majority are sociable, witty, funny, friendly, outgoing… And most of them homeschool. And they support each other. And their kids are awesome.

My point is, find a good community. Ideally a faith community. If you're searching for one, may I gently suggest the one holy catholic and apostolic church? Just an idea. But seriously, don't go it alone.

You're on the right track, OP. Keep it up.
Iraq2xVeteran
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My education got off to a rough start. Both my twin brother and I went to Kindergarten at a public school, but repeated Kindergarten at a private school during the 1993-1994 school year. I stayed at that private school through 8th grade, the last grade at that school. Then, I went to a public school and graduated high school at 19 years old in 2006.

There were some deviations in my brothers' education path. He was the same school I was through 2nd grade. Then, he went to a special needs private school in 3rd and 4th grade before my mom homeschooled him from 5th to 8th grade. We both went to the same public high school and graduated high school at 19 years old.

My parents made numerous sacrifices to help my brother get through school. In December 2012, he graduated from San Jose State with a bachelors in applied mathematics and a minor in computer science.

Best of luck to taking the leap of faith to homeschooling your kids.
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ActualTalkingThermos said:

From what I can gather around here, it depends why you do it. If you do it because of Covid it will make them fall behind and become crazy and depressed and drug addicted and basically ruin them for life. If you do it because they might have a nonbinary teacher with blue hair it will give them the armor of god and they will be unstoppable.


Username definitely checks out.
Houstonag
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Moving to a good school district some place in Texas is the cheapest and likely a good decision. Do your homework. The urban school districts are a lost cause. If you can afford it private is also a good choice. Especially a catholic elementary school. Home schooling is tough but I have seen success. Education of young people is so important and a well thought out plan for K thru 12 must be designed.
eric76
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So much of the focus of public schools is on crowd control and fad teaching theories. A solid home schooling practice should be able to counter both of those.

Keep in mind that some kids don't react well to home schooling and do better with their peers. What works for some kids won't work for all.

My cousin home schooled those of his kids who did well with home schooling. I think that one did go to public schools and did better there than in home schooling.

One thing that you might want to keep in mind is that if you are weak in mathematics, you may want to find someone who is excellent in mathematics to help. My cousin and his wife did a decent job of home schooling their kids, but my impression is that they are very weak in math.

If there are any really solid private schools around you, then you might try those instead.
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