Seems like Putin is trying to de-escalate in Ukraine and cut losses, odds he'd actually referees course at this point? A sane Putin wouldn't, but I guess we will see…

Nightmare scenario.

Pick up a book, Finland.

Helsinki is the model for resolution. Ukraine should be a non-NATO, EU country, just like Finland. At a bare minimum. If Finland joins NATO, the hinges come off in Eastern Europe.

Pride means nothing if you poke an insane bear with 3,000 nuclear warheads.

Why do I get the feeling our numb nuts cornpop admin prodded this & that we'll soon be sending middle class tax dollars to Finland ?

Just great. Another NATO country that won't be pulling their own weight.

Just give them our spot.

ChemEAg08 said:

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Seems like Putin is trying to de-escalate in Ukraine and cut losses, odds he'd actually referees course at this point? A sane Putin wouldn't, but I guess we will see…

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Hopefully, Zelensky finally throws the red flag on the field and stops this game. Mariupol is about to fall. That way the replay official can have time to sift through the propaganda and determine once and for all whether Putin's invasion is justified. The referees myopia up to this point has been horrifying.

I promise you that Russia's apatite for conquest will not be satiated. Their history is decently linear.

Why shouldn't Finland try to protect itself?

Just not Greenland. We're buying that one in 2025.

its another boarder that Russia has to respect. that enables Finland to punch above their "useful" weight

In this thread, people who know jack about Finlands history (See Russo-Finnish War) decide to make their opinion known.

Bring on WW3!

I just want to see some Finnish snipers in action.

Turkey says "not so fast"?

BREAKING: Turkey's President Erdogan says his country does not favor Sweden and Finland becoming NATO members

— The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) May 13, 2022

RebelE Infantry said:

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Turkey says "not so fast"?

BREAKING: Turkey's President Erdogan says his country does not favor Sweden and Finland becoming NATO members

— The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) May 13, 2022

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They only 2/3 approval from existing members correct? Turkey seems to be unpredictable with their motives.

ChemEAg08 said:

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Seems like Putin is trying to de-escalate in Ukraine and cut losses, odds he'd actually referees course at this point? A sane Putin wouldn't, but I guess we will see…

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Bombing cities and still invading another country seems like a really weird way to de-escalte.

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Just great. Another NATO country that won't be pulling their own weight.

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Whether this join-up is smart or not, the Finns have proven themselves to be an upright, brave people. If there are conditions & commitments to their membership, I think you can expect Finland will honor them.

RebelE Infantry said:

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Turkey says "not so fast"?

BREAKING: Turkey's President Erdogan says his country does not favor Sweden and Finland becoming NATO members

— The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) May 13, 2022

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Who ever imagined Erdogan would be the grown up in the room.

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RebelE Infantry said:

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Turkey says "not so fast"?

BREAKING: Turkey's President Erdogan says his country does not favor Sweden and Finland becoming NATO members

— The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) May 13, 2022

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They only 2/3 approval from existing members correct? Turkey seems to be unpredictable with their motives.

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For some reason I thought it had to be unanimous, but now I'm not so sure. Perhaps you're correct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO#Criteria_and_process

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The North Atlantic Treaty is the basis of the organization, and, as such, any changes including new membership requires ratification by all current signers of the treaty. The treaty's Article 10 describes how non-member states may join NATO:

The Parties may, by unanimous agreement, invite any other European State in a position to further the principles of this Treaty and to contribute to the security of the North Atlantic area to accede to this Treaty.

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Just give them our spot.

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Sweden is the big "get". Almost the population of Norway and Finland combined. They also have an actual arms industry. Considering their history of continuing to supply arms to warring powers under their flag of neutrality, it would be nice to have them in the alliance to put the brakes on that. Russia is their top export market. If they aren't in NATO when this is all over, they are absolutely going to get paid to fix the Russian mess.

Finland and Sweden should be a package deal.

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RebelE Infantry said:

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Turkey says "not so fast"?

BREAKING: Turkey's President Erdogan says his country does not favor Sweden and Finland becoming NATO members

— The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) May 13, 2022

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Who ever imagined Erdogan would be the grown up in the room.

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Yeah, he's the grown up.

I have spent time in Oulu and Helsinki as an employee of Nokia about 20 years ago during Nokia's heyday. This is a bold move by Finland. Russia is headed down. I only hope that Russia isn't so desperate to launch nukes.

Putin and Russian leadership are irrational. What did he expect would happen when he invaded Ukraine? NATO never has and never will be an offensive pact, despite Putin's claims. His actions have only provided reason for Finland and Sweden to join and proven the continued need for NATO.

Great. Add a few more euro or near east countries and then the USA can exit.

Makes sense; so near to Russia Finland, Finland, Finland.

RebelE Infantry said:

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rathAG05 said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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Turkey says "not so fast"?

BREAKING: Turkey's President Erdogan says his country does not favor Sweden and Finland becoming NATO members

— The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) May 13, 2022

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They only 2/3 approval from existing members correct? Turkey seems to be unpredictable with their motives.

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For some reason I thought it had to be unanimous, but now I'm not so sure. Perhaps you're correct.

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That's what we thought regarding SEC expansion.

Is this the same Finland that our congressional representatives for religious freedom had to call out for persecution against Christians?

"In 2019, Dr. Rsnen, a practicing Lutheran, tweeted in response to her denomination's support for an LGBT pride event. Her tweet asked how a church could affirm homosexuality and still be consistent with the Bible, including a link to Romans 1:24-27. In 2004, Dr. Rsnen authored a pamphlet making the case for a traditional definition of marriage that was published by Lutheran bishop Reverend Dr. Juhana Pohjola. Finland's Prosecutor General, after repeatedly interrogating Dr. Rsnen, formally charged her with three charges of incitement against ethnic groups in April 2021."

Yeah, no thanks

Oof

We might as well go ahead and send them a few billion bucks. Hell we send everyone else money

Nuclear war threats are coming more frequently from Russia. This one is a "...full-fledged nuclear war" threat.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1609976/russia-nuclear-war-nato-putin-finland-dmitry-medvedev

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Russia threatens 'full-scale nuclear war' as Putin furious with NATO
A TOP Russian official has warned that NATO has sparked outrage by helping Ukraine, which could trigger a "full-fledged nuclear war".
By JACOB PAUL 15:51, Fri, May 13, 2022 | UPDATED: 15:52, Fri, May 13, 2022

NATO has stood firm in its support for Ukraine ever since Russia launched its brutal invasion back in mid-February. Members of the military alliance have shipped thousands of weapons to help the Ukrainian army in battle. And in April, NATO agreed to supply new types of advanced weaponry to the country to prepare for the siege Russian offensive in eastern Ukraine.

Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of Russia Dmitry Medvedev said this NATO support will make a direct conflict between the alliance and Moscow more likely.

He also warned that this could even result in a full-blown nuclear war.

Mr Medvedev said: "First, the pumping of Ukraine by NATO countries with weapons, the training of its troops to use Western equipment, the dispatch of mercenaries, and the conduct of exercises by the countries of the Alliance near our borders increase the likelihood of a direct and open conflict between NATO and Russia instead of their 'war by proxy'.

"Second, such a conflict always has the risk of turning into a full-fledged nuclear war....

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Ernest Tucker said:

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Is this the same Finland that our congressional representatives for religious freedom had to call out for persecution against Christians?

"In 2019, Dr. Rsnen, a practicing Lutheran, tweeted in response to her denomination's support for an LGBT pride event. Her tweet asked how a church could affirm homosexuality and still be consistent with the Bible, including a link to Romans 1:24-27. In 2004, Dr. Rsnen authored a pamphlet making the case for a traditional definition of marriage that was published by Lutheran bishop Reverend Dr. Juhana Pohjola. Finland's Prosecutor General, after repeatedly interrogating Dr. Rsnen, formally charged her with three charges of incitement against ethnic groups in April 2021."

Yeah, no thanks

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All charges dropped

https://www.foxnews.com/world/case-dismissed-finnish-mp-bishop-in-free-speech-religious-liberty-trial

WolfCall said:

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Nuclear war threats are coming more frequently from Russia. This one is a "...full-fledged nuclear war" threat.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1609976/russia-nuclear-war-nato-putin-finland-dmitry-medvedev

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Russia threatens 'full-scale nuclear war' as Putin furious with NATO
A TOP Russian official has warned that NATO has sparked outrage by helping Ukraine, which could trigger a "full-fledged nuclear war".
By JACOB PAUL 15:51, Fri, May 13, 2022 | UPDATED: 15:52, Fri, May 13, 2022

NATO has stood firm in its support for Ukraine ever since Russia launched its brutal invasion back in mid-February. Members of the military alliance have shipped thousands of weapons to help the Ukrainian army in battle. And in April, NATO agreed to supply new types of advanced weaponry to the country to prepare for the siege Russian offensive in eastern Ukraine.

Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of Russia Dmitry Medvedev said this NATO support will make a direct conflict between the alliance and Moscow more likely.

He also warned that this could even result in a full-blown nuclear war.

Mr Medvedev said: "First, the pumping of Ukraine by NATO countries with weapons, the training of its troops to use Western equipment, the dispatch of mercenaries, and the conduct of exercises by the countries of the Alliance near our borders increase the likelihood of a direct and open conflict between NATO and Russia instead of their 'war by proxy'.

"Second, such a conflict always has the risk of turning into a full-fledged nuclear war....

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RogerEnright said:

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I promise you that Russia's apatite for conquest will not be satiated. Their history is decently linear.

Why shouldn't Finland try to protect itself?

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This isn't 1950. Russia is a freaking disaster in every conceivable way that is imploding. In no way, shape, or form can they project power beyond countries that border them and that's questionable and very limited. They simply don't have the money, manpower, or equipment and that isn't going to change for the next 30-50 years. If you don't understand that you simply don't know much about Russia. Hell they couldn't even send a line of tanks into Ukraine on a flat road that wasn't being attacked by the air, they just ran out of gas and stopped. Their planes that are being shot down have GPS taped to them because the tech inside doesn't work.

Our only real threat from Russia is nuclear and the only way they go nuclear is if we make them feel as though we are seeking regime change and/or they feel like we are going to attack and they can't win conventionally (which they now know for certain they can't). So just walk away and watch them die on the vine.