spend a little now or spend alot later it's only going to get worse. Putin is not going to stop until someone stops him.

Another covid related lesson Republicans should have learned but of course didn't.

pluto29 said:

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spend a little now or spend alot later it's only going to get worse. Putin is not going to stop until someone stops him.

Another covid related lesson Republicans should have learned but of course didn't.

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I fully disagree that there are any connections to partisanship or "COVID lessons" at play with regard to this issue. I can't see even the most remote degree of validity to that assertion.

You clearly only see rainbows and butterflies with the "liberation of the free and innocent people of Ukraine".


I see the opportunity for a corrupt administration to steal billions initially via NGOs. USAID, and campaign donations from military contractors.

Then as we get into a real shooting war, I see the ability for the same corrupt administration to institute martial law throughout the country because the "enemies of the people" (aka evil Russians and Chinese) are conducting economic warfare operations in our markets and covert military actions inside the country. Thus giving them the ability to limit free speech via the "dis-information board", arrest dissenters of the uni-party line, limit travel, ration food, limit gun ownership, print money to infinity, raise taxes, limit elections, draft fighting age men and women, etc. (in other words install a tyrannical government without the majority of the people catching on). Of course all in the name of 'fighting for freedom".

They stole an election to install a brain dead puppet who mandated experimental vaccines for millions, and locked down a country for a cough. Do you really think they won't push the limits once we are in a declared war?

Good Poster said:

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Why have we sent a single penny to Ukraine (one of the most corrupt govt's there is)?

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Because you dont let Putin go unchecked and dont give him what he wants. Chamberlain tried that around 1940...how did it work out again?

Also, Zelinsky has worked and made progress on stemming the corruption that previous admins in Ukraine were famous for. I dont think he is remotely close to the status quo there.

MuchosPollos said:

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You clearly only see rainbows and butterflies with the "liberation of the free and innocent people of Ukraine".


I see the opportunity for a corrupt administration to steal billions initially via NGOs. USAID, and campaign donations from military contractors.

Then as we get into a real shooting war, I see the ability for the same corrupt administration to institute martial law throughout the country because the "enemies of the people" (aka evil Russians and Chinese) are conducting economic warfare operations in our markets and covert military actions inside the country. Thus giving them the ability to limit free speech via the "dis-information board", arrest dissenters of the uni-party line, limit travel, ration food, limit gun ownership, print money to infinity, raise taxes, limit elections, draft fighting age men and women, etc. (in other words install a tyrannical government without the majority of the people catching on). Of course all in the name of 'fighting for freedom".

They stole an election to install a brain dead puppet and locked down a country for a cough. Do you really think they won't push the limits once we are in a declared war?

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A lot of moving parts and assumptions there that can't realistically occur before conservatives take back the house/senate thereby eliminating the administration's ability to accomplish any of it and providing scrutinizing oversight for the remainder of Brandon's singular term.

Confronting Putin is right call. Even if it means giving a "corrupt" govt money. Not confronting him the last 20 years has not only strengthened Russia but also the U.S. adversaries in the Middle East and Asia. The geopolitical stakes are too massive just to allow Russia to steam roll through Eastern European ally. Not only that, but the atrocities the Russian army are committing alone are worth fighting against.

But I do agree 100% that it is BS (and treasonous) that we ignore our own borders on a daily basis and te feds refuse to secure them

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I hate the isolationist argument because it's just not that simple with any conflict... The, "not our problem"... line is kind of stupid.

What if you care about good vs evil because it's pretty clear that Russia has been pretty evil in the past couple months? I hope they get their butts whipped by the Ukrainians and I hope the money isn't being stolen.

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History is not the side of hope.

Corrupt foreign government plus countless taxpayer dollars has always equaled theft, bribery, kickbacks, and embezzlement

Ags4DaWin said:

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FriscoKid said:

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I hate the isolationist argument because it's just not that simple with any conflict... The, "not our problem"... line is kind of stupid.

What if you care about good vs evil because it's pretty clear that Russia has been pretty evil in the past couple months? I hope they get their butts whipped by the Ukrainians and I hope the money isn't being stolen.

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History is not the side of hope.

Corrupt foreign government plus countless taxpayer dollars has always equaled theft, bribery, kickbacks, and embezzlement

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Neither is history on the side of appeasement. Weigh the costs, the risks, and pick your poison I suppose.

Rossticus said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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FriscoKid said:

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I hate the isolationist argument because it's just not that simple with any conflict... The, "not our problem"... line is kind of stupid.

What if you care about good vs evil because it's pretty clear that Russia has been pretty evil in the past couple months? I hope they get their butts whipped by the Ukrainians and I hope the money isn't being stolen.

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History is not the side of hope.

Corrupt foreign government plus countless taxpayer dollars has always equaled theft, bribery, kickbacks, and embezzlement

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Neither is history on the side of appeasement. Weigh the costs, the risks, and pick your poison I suppose.

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I mean…corruption is bad…so let's let a dictator determine the rules of the global order that have benefited the US for the last eighty years.

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Democrats are wanting a war with Russia, never let a crisis go to waste.

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Nobody "wants a war with Russia", least of all democrats. War with Russia means pissing off hordes of far left wing-nut communists, "anti-imperialists", "anti-fascists" that despite being vocally opposed to imperialist fascism, support Russian imperialism because its anti-American. Going to war with Russia means forfeiting the votes of all those ding-dongs which would further neuter the Libs in the midterms.

Supporting Ukraine's ability to defend itself and throw a wrench in Russia's special military land grab operation of conquest is, however, demonstrably supported by a majority of US lawmakers, as evidenced by votes in both the house and senate on Ukrainian assistance. Heavy bi-partisan support. Not driven by Dem majority.

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Why have we sent a single penny to Ukraine (one of the most corrupt govt's there is)?

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The Big Guy has to eat

Rick Flex said:

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Confronting Putin is right call. Even if it means giving a "corrupt" govt money. Not confronting him the last 20 years has not only strengthened Russia but also the U.S. adversaries in the Middle East and Asia. The geopolitical stakes are too massive just to allow Russia to steam roll through Eastern European ally. Not only that, but the atrocities the Russian army are committing alone are worth fighting against.

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Ukraine is not our ally. It is our money laundering machine.

Marcus Brutus said:

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https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-biden-europe-congress-6ac9e6bfcb99fd7cbc02cad1445d36c2


Congressional Democrats are preparing a plan that would boost President Joe Biden's requested $33 billion Ukraine aid package to nearly $40 billion, and a House vote is possible as soon as Tuesday, two people familiar with lawmakers' thinking said.

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Another Putin supporter chiming in

The Debt said:

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Rick Flex said:

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Confronting Putin is right call. Even if it means giving a "corrupt" govt money. Not confronting him the last 20 years has not only strengthened Russia but also the U.S. adversaries in the Middle East and Asia. The geopolitical stakes are too massive just to allow Russia to steam roll through Eastern European ally. Not only that, but the atrocities the Russian army are committing alone are worth fighting against.

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Ukraine is not our ally. It is our money laundering machine.

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The US and UK launder more money for Russia and China than Ukraine has ever imagined much less touched. Not to mention what the cartels launder through the US. Get better material. Logical material if you can manage it. "Ukraine bad. Ukraine launder money". Lol, lmfao.

I guess all the men who fought in WW2 must've been democrats cause I've never seen a bigger bunch of ******* than I have of the far righties lately.

Everything's a scam! Everything's a scam!

aggie93 said:

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I have no problem supporting Ukraine and even putting in some money towards it. That said how about we let the Europeans buy the weapons and supplies they need from us and then they can distribute it. So tired of bailing out 1st World Countries that can't be bothered to pay for dealing with threats on their doorstep. They want our help they need to pay the piper.

I do think it is in our interests to keep Russia bottled up in Ukraine and for Ukraine to win if they can. That said all our risks are because we have agreements to protect countries that border Russia and we have little to benefit from. We have our own problems, if you want our help you can write the check or give us whatever we want.

Of course we have a corrupt dementia patient for a President with who knows running the show behind him so it's all pissing into the wind.

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Our per capita contribution is pretty far down the list. Maybe you don't know what you're complaining about?

tk for tu juan said:

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Could build 150,000 EV charging stations for $40 billion.

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Sweet! What about the generation capacity & infrastructure to make them work?

My Name Is Judge said:

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Ummm the money was never going to Ukraine….

This is just another way for the establishment to wash the money they steal from the tax payer

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This! Most of the funds we send as foreign aid have clauses that require that most of it be spent on American goods and services allowing ample opportunity for our politicians to exert their influence to make sure those funds get routed to preferred contractors or vendors.

Putin > Biden pre invasion

Hydrocele_aggie said:

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Putin > Biden pre invasion

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Thank you comrade!

Hydrocele_aggie said:

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Putin > Biden pre invasion

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Yeah, but he's still a little *****.

I love that this is the only thread the Biden voters chime in on bc they think they're spiking the football….


Biden washing tax payer money in war torn Ukraine is the closest thing to a win for the libs throughout this entire illegitimate presidency


It's actually pretty impressive how sad it is when you take the time to think about it….

Good Poster said:

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Why have we sent a single penny to Ukraine (one of the most corrupt govt's there is)?

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Second in line to ours.

Anyone using the situation in Ukraine as some sort of exemplar of Biden's ability is deluded. Biden is a ****, and an inept one at that. Any success on the part of Ukraine will be in spite of Biden's leadership and not due to it. Even the lowest functioning of CICs could have bumbled their way through to the extent that he has.

Don't confuse support for a particular strategic path re Russia as support for Biden. He's screwed the pooch aplenty in his handling of this matter since last year and the two stances are far from being necessarily congruent.

My Name Is Judge said:

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I love that this is the only thread the Biden voters chime in on bc they think they're spiking the football….


Biden washing tax payer money in war torn Ukraine is the closest thing to a win for the libs throughout this entire illegitimate presidency


It's actually pretty impressive how sad it is when you take the time to think about it….

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Where do you see a Biden voter at in here? Just curious…

If you're talking about my post calling out far righties, that doesn't make me a Biden voter. In fact, I voted for Trump. But, I still stand by what I've been saying….it will be the far left coupled with the far right and the ineptitude of finding any common ground between them that will ultimately destroy this country.

Those of us that can see there's going to have to be some give and take are gunna be left to basically waste 5.56 when both of these inept parties start a civil war. That 5.56 will not be wasted fighting for either side but rather a "get off my lawn" statement for both sides.

The vile **** y'all spew at each other makes Americans look like the worst of the worst and honestly at this point I've got more will power to root for Ukraine right now than I do my own country. You think we're not a corrupt country as well? Give me a break. The fact that y'all swallow the chode of so many politicians, whatever side they may be on and actually think they care about anyone of us is a utter joke.

Oh but Trumps not a politician!!! Yea uh he was president, that makes him a politician.

blacksox is a huge lib.

Good Poster said:

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Why have we sent a single penny to Ukraine (one of the most corrupt govt's there is)?

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You answered your own question

Rossticus said:

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Anyone using the situation in Ukraine as some sort of exemplar of Biden's ability is deluded. Biden is a ****, and an inept one at that. Any success on the part of Ukraine will be in spite of Biden's leadership and not due to it. Even the lowest functioning of CICs could have bumbled their way through to the extent that he has.

Don't confuse support for a particular strategic path re Russia as support for Biden. He's screwed the pooch aplenty in his handling of this matter since last year and the two stances are far from being necessarily congruent.

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You really have no idea what you are talking about do you?

Pluto 29, black sox, & mesocosm

I've never noticed you before, but neat rant?

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Rossticus said:

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Anyone using the situation in Ukraine as some sort of exemplar of Biden's ability is deluded. Biden is a ****, and an inept one at that. Any success on the part of Ukraine will be in spite of Biden's leadership and not due to it. Even the lowest functioning of CICs could have bumbled their way through to the extent that he has.

Don't confuse support for a particular strategic path re Russia as support for Biden. He's screwed the pooch aplenty in his handling of this matter since last year and the two stances are far from being necessarily congruent.

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You really have no idea what you are talking about do you?

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If Biden wasn't an incompetent boob who irresponsibly and incompetently pulled out of Afghanistan and said that small incursions into Ukraine would be tolerated millions more would be alive today. Millions more would not be going hungry tonight because they are running from war torn countries and their are massive supply chain disruptions . Tens of millions of more people would be free, 50% of Afghanistan wouldn't be wearing full Burkas

In an interconnected world one man can bring this much dedstruction.

Don't forget he is just getting started.

thanks to the people who voted and enabled this idiocracy, you have wrought destruction on the world. /sarc I hope you feel good/sarc off

My theory? Zelensky has Biden by the ****ing balls about something with him and hunter's ass. He's being blackmailed like a mofo on this.

My Name Is Judge said:

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Pluto 29, black sox, & mesocosm

I've never noticed you before, but neat rant?

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It felt good to say it out loud, I'll go back to lurking here now and posting on outdoor board. Carry on.