https://thehill.com/news/state-watch/3479750-florida-tilts-toward-trump-amid-population-growth/

This is for all of you worry warts and gloom and doom pessimists who insist that migration from blue states means that liberals are taking over states like TX, FL, etc.

California (a liberal state in every sense of the word, had over 6 million people vote for Trump. You don't think that a large chunk of the people fleeing blue states are dissatisfied conservative/independent voters as opposed to the heavily liberally minded voters?

It's a mix of both to be sure but, especially after the pandemic, the amount of Republicans moving from blue states to red has shot up. That should help offset the amount of young "progressives" moving into tech-friendly cities like Austin and Atlanta.

Florida is the best example we could point to for this and for the number of Hispanics who are switching from voting Dem to voting GOP. Clinton won the Miami-Dade Hispanic vote by 30 points... Biden won by 7. In 2018 (a Dem wave midterm) the state did not fall to the Dems in the Senate/Gov. races.

The conservative vote will not be diluted to as great a degree in places like New York and Cali if conservatives continue to make their way to redder states and the demographic "issue" for republicans will no longer be as great if the GOP can capitalize on the fact that Hispanic groups tend to align more with the party's stances on social issues and promoting a good workforce and healthy economy.

Federalism in action. Let's hope this rings true for Texas.

YouBet said:

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Federalism in action. Let's hope this rings true for Texas.

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Exactly! We just need to get the liberals to leave us a handful of states where normal people can live without worrying about our children being groomed and our pockets being picked by the government.

Well, as a counter point, have you seen Austin recently?

dunlay said:

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Well, as a counter point, have you seen Austin recently?

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There are parts of Florida that are still very liberal as well. When you are talking about states of 20 million and 30 million you will have enclaves like that.

FWIW we will see how things continue to develop in Austin. A lot of the liberals are finding they can't enjoy Downtown or the things they loved about the city due to their lunatic City Council and Mayor and more and more are waking up. They still LOVE getting taxed into oblivion and spending money on really stupid things though.

Need some dem state republicans to flee to MI, WI, PA, and AZ

The issue is the milquetoast Republicans that hold statewide offices. If they were more like DeSantis, Texas would be more solid red.

When conservatives actually campaign on what they believe in (and do so in a more ameniable manner) and aren't swamp, they win in most states. I.e. DeSantis. They can also win national elections. Independents don't want to elect a "mean" person by and large.

Florida has better leadership across the board than Texas, pure and simple. I wish it wasn't the case, but it is. Texas Republicans care more about 'appearing' like they're doing something, to get the campaign $ and votes, than they do about actually creating policies that make sense and taking true leadership. DeSantis is running circles around Abbott, Patrick, and the legislature.

I'm not as confident right now that Texas is heading the direction of the Florida. I want it to be the case, but we can't get out of our own way.

Competition creates better outcomes. Republicans wrestled enough control in Texas that the party became king makers and future president makers rather than conservatives looking to serve Texans. Just is the way it is.

I'm happy to see states solidify the right leaning status...but the way they get there counts for me.

If it's through migration of like minded people to a state, then really that just further solidifies the state they left is irredeemably blue.

You have to hope that federalism remains a bulwark.

We have people coming in from Mexico and South America. They have people coming in from Cuba.

DeSantis is proving when you take a moral stance and lead on an issue, you have the opportunity to to bring people over to your side. The RNC strategy has been exactly the opposite. Check the poll numbers, run on being moderate, and abandon convictions.

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https://thehill.com/news/state-watch/3479750-florida-tilts-toward-trump-amid-population-growth/

This is for all of you worry warts and gloom and doom pessimists who insist that migration from blue states means that liberals are taking over states like TX, FL, etc.

California (a liberal state in every sense of the word, had over 6 million people vote for Trump. You don't think that a large chunk of the people fleeing blue states are dissatisfied conservative/independent voters as opposed to the heavily liberally minded voters?

It's a mix of both to be sure but, especially after the pandemic, the amount of Republicans moving from blue states to red has shot up. That should help offset the amount of young "progressives" moving into tech-friendly cities like Austin and Atlanta.

Florida is the best example we could point to for this and for the number of Hispanics who are switching from voting Dem to voting GOP. Clinton won the Miami-Dade Hispanic vote by 30 points... Biden won by 7. In 2018 (a Dem wave midterm) the state did not fall to the Dems in the Senate/Gov. races.

The conservative vote will not be diluted to as great a degree in places like New York and Cali if conservatives continue to make their way to redder states and the demographic "issue" for republicans will no longer be as great if the GOP can capitalize on the fact that Hispanic groups tend to align more with the party's stances on social issues and promoting a good workforce and healthy economy.

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also, the SECOND generation of those born in the red states would be more likely to be republicans than their parents.

you have conservative schools and conservative teachers and friends and peer pressure and some politicians choose whichever the easier path is to get elected.

so it is self-perpetuating.

Florida is the future of the country- especially if we can get more latino stars like Miami Mayor Suarez.

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Federalism in action.

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Absodamnlutely! I hope all the leftys pack up and move to beautiful baby killing California. TYA. This abortion issue turning to a states issue is how things are supposed to work. I want Texas to make it criminal act and I want it to be a civil case winner for the dad to be. I want Cali to do Cali. No Federal law for or against. Force the enemy of this nation to all live in one place.

If the immigration issue was solved....Hispanics would vote red 70-30.

Cobra39

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Florida has better leadership across the board than Texas, pure and simple. I wish it wasn't the case, but it is. Texas Republicans care more about 'appearing' like they're doing something, to get the campaign $ and votes, than they do about actually creating policies that make sense and taking true leadership. DeSantis is running circles around Abbott, Patrick, and the legislature.

I'm not as confident right now that Texas is heading the direction of the Florida. I want it to be the case, but we can't get out of our own way.

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You make a good point. The Florida GOP spent the last two decades in a dog fight for every statewide race. Result? Strong candidates with broad appeal.

The Texas GOP has spent the last two decades getting fat and happy, knowing that anyone with an R by their name was a lock to win statewide.

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Well, as a counter point, have you seen Austin recently?

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There are parts of Florida that are still very liberal as well. When you are talking about states of 20 million and 30 million you will have enclaves like that.

FWIW we will see how things continue to develop in Austin. A lot of the liberals are finding they can't enjoy Downtown or the things they loved about the city due to their lunatic City Council and Mayor and more and more are waking up. They still LOVE getting taxed into oblivion and spending money on really stupid things though.

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Austin was a truly awesome town from the 80's to the early 2000's but it is entirely unrecognizable now and will never go back to what it was. We went there summer of 2019 for a little mini-vacay from Houston and it has just completely lost it's luster. I do not at all understand the craze. The people were just awful too. And the Mogadishu vibes of E 6th had crept up to W 6th. The traffic was horrendous as well. Liberals ruin every geographically beautiful place like hordes of locusts on a long enough timeline.

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Gigem314 said:

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Florida has better leadership across the board than Texas, pure and simple. I wish it wasn't the case, but it is. Texas Republicans care more about 'appearing' like they're doing something, to get the campaign $ and votes, than they do about actually creating policies that make sense and taking true leadership. DeSantis is running circles around Abbott, Patrick, and the legislature.

I'm not as confident right now that Texas is heading the direction of the Florida. I want it to be the case, but we can't get out of our own way.

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You make a good point. The Florida GOP spent the last two decades in a dog fight for every statewide race. Result? Strong candidates with broad appeal.

The Texas GOP has spent the last two decades getting fat and happy, knowing that anyone with an R by their name was a lock to win statewide.

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Exactly, many Texas Republicans are fat and happy, just trying to stay elected or chase the Governor's office. They rely on platitudes more than conservative policy that actually makes sense for voters. And the Democrats have made it even easier for them by moving to the fringe-left nationally and running nuts like Davis/Beto at the state-level.

Eventually, it's going to cost them. Maybe not for several years thanks to the horrible job Biden is doing, but eventually the short-sighted decisions they've been free to make will backfire.

Comparing Texas and Florida is a fool's errand. They aren't that similar when you dig into it. I would argue that Texas will never be as conservative as Florida and here are some reasons why:

• Texas is more "sophisticated" and appealing to the leftist class with our larger, more cosmopolitan cities. Florida's largest city is Jacksonville which is almost the same exact size as Ft. Worth - our 5th largest city - with right at 1M people. Think about the brand name of Dallas, Austin, and Houston....and then Florida has....Jacksonville? The left isn't going to move to Jacksonville.

• Florida has one city that could be considered cosmopolitan and that is Miami. We have 5 if you generously include Ft. Worth.

• Liberals are naturally attracted to large cities due to cultural amenities and the natural evolution of the creative class that happens in such an environment.

• Texas is right in the middle of the country so our central location and geographic proximity to every other state lends itself to attracting big company HQ's which then lends itself to attracting Democrats because that's where the jobs are. And we all know how tied to the hip corporations are these days to the DNC agenda. F500 and the Democrat party are a symbiotic relationship at this point.

So, while we all lament we don't have our own Ron Desantis (including me) we most likely never will because Abbott has a different constituency than Desantis does.

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Austin was a truly awesome town from the 80's to the early 2000's but it is entirely unrecognizable now and will never go back to what it was. We went there summer of 2019 for a little mini-vacay from Houston and it has just completely lost it's luster. I do not at all understand the craze. The people were just awful too. And the Mogadishu vibes of E 6th had crept up to W 6th. The traffic was horrendous as well. Liberals ruin every geographically beautiful place like hordes of locusts on a long enough timeline.

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Case and point: Portland, OR

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Keegan99 said:

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Gigem314 said:

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Florida has better leadership across the board than Texas, pure and simple. I wish it wasn't the case, but it is. Texas Republicans care more about 'appearing' like they're doing something, to get the campaign $ and votes, than they do about actually creating policies that make sense and taking true leadership. DeSantis is running circles around Abbott, Patrick, and the legislature.

I'm not as confident right now that Texas is heading the direction of the Florida. I want it to be the case, but we can't get out of our own way.

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You make a good point. The Florida GOP spent the last two decades in a dog fight for every statewide race. Result? Strong candidates with broad appeal.

The Texas GOP has spent the last two decades getting fat and happy, knowing that anyone with an R by their name was a lock to win statewide.

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Exactly, many Texas Republicans are fat and happy, just trying to stay elected or chase the Governor's office. They rely on platitudes more than conservative policy that actually makes sense for voters. And the Democrats have made it even easier for them by moving to the fringe-left nationally and running nuts like Davis/Beto at the state-level.

Eventually, it's going to cost them. Maybe not for several years thanks to the horrible job Biden is doing, but eventually the short-sighted decisions they've been free to make will backfire.

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Hopefully, it won't take a Dem winning a state race to wake them up from their reverie.

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Well, as a counter point, have you seen Austin recently?

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was in Austin last week. Anecdotally, I saw one beta sign on a street that used to have 90% + beta signs last time he ran for something. There's way less enthusiasm, so dems won't turn out to vote this Nov, like they did in 2020.

Florida should be a model for Rs....DeSantis has killed it.

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FWIW we will see how things continue to develop in Austin. A lot of the liberals are finding they can't enjoy Downtown or the things they loved about the city

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Not sure I agree with this observation

numetalbizkitaggie said:

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The issue is the milquetoast Republicans that hold statewide offices. If they were more like DeSantis, Texas would be more solid red.

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Time to take notes Texas Republicans!

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aggie93 said:

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FWIW we will see how things continue to develop in Austin. A lot of the liberals are finding they can't enjoy Downtown or the things they loved about the city

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Not sure I agree with this observation

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I have no illusions that Austin is going to become a conservative stronghold. I'm just saying it may decide to pull itself from the abyss. Maybe not but as I said we will see.

For me I am getting the hell out in 3 years when my youngest graduates from HS, tired of this town.

jamieboy2014 said:

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https://thehill.com/news/state-watch/3479750-florida-tilts-toward-trump-amid-population-growth/

This is for all of you worry warts and gloom and doom pessimists who insist that migration from blue states means that liberals are taking over states like TX, FL, etc.

California (a liberal state in every sense of the word, had over 6 million people vote for Trump. You don't think that a large chunk of the people fleeing blue states are dissatisfied conservative/independent voters as opposed to the heavily liberally minded voters?

It's a mix of both to be sure but, especially after the pandemic, the amount of Republicans moving from blue states to red has shot up. That should help offset the amount of young "progressives" moving into tech-friendly cities like Austin and Atlanta.

Florida is the best example we could point to for this and for the number of Hispanics who are switching from voting Dem to voting GOP. Clinton won the Miami-Dade Hispanic vote by 30 points... Biden won by 7. In 2018 (a Dem wave midterm) the state did not fall to the Dems in the Senate/Gov. races.

The conservative vote will not be diluted to as great a degree in places like New York and Cali if conservatives continue to make their way to redder states and the demographic "issue" for republicans will no longer be as great if the GOP can capitalize on the fact that Hispanic groups tend to align more with the party's stances on social issues and promoting a good workforce and healthy economy.

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I'm not going to say the bolded part doesn't have ANYTHING to do with it (it most certainly does), but Florida is getting more and more red because Florida is enacting more and more conservative policies. This runs counter to the idea held by many so-called conservatives that we need to moderate our views, even if on certain things. The idiotic idea that can't force some issues, or that we can't support others for fear of losing so-called independent voters. The truth is, we can capture more conservative voters who haven't voted in anywhere between a decade and 30 years just by being reliably conservative and Florida is proving that.