April 28, 1945 was characterized "A fitting end to a wretched life,"

Subject of a Friends joke:

RIP Il Duce

RebelE Infantry said:

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RIP Il Duce

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Thank you soccer ball head.

RebelE Infantry said:

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RIP Il Duce

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Good riddance to rotten refuse. Gone down the path of those similarly deserving.

https://amp.theguardian.com/education/2001/jun/25/artsandhumanities.highereducation

RebelE Infantry said:

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RIP Il Duce

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"Democratic regimes may be defined as those in which, every now and then, the people are given the illusion of being sovereign, while the true sovereignty in actual fact resides in other forces which are sometimes irresponsible and secret."

Nailed it.

At least he wasn't "Literally Hitler"… That guy would die 2 days later…

RebelE Infantry said:

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RIP Il Duce
https://f5s-img.s3.amazonaws.com/000/2f/9c/2f9c531c9ebf537e28ee04395134e2aec22da026_84513_u135172.jpg

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"The Fascist accepts life and loves it, knowing nothing of and despising suicide; he rather conceives of life as duty and struggle and conquest, life which should be high and full, lived for oneself, but above all for others those who are at hand and those who are far distant, contemporaries, and those who will come after."

Pretty noble sentiment from a wild guy. May he rest in peace.

Holy S. what is happening on this thread?. Are there really Mussolini apologists here?

TresPuertas said:

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Holy S. what is happening on this thread?. Are there really Mussolini apologists here?

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Yes

Pretty sure posting a pic of a giant **** will get you a ban.

TresPuertas said:

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Holy S. what is happening on this thread?. Are there really Mussolini apologists here?

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Oh Mussolini was completely crazy but that doesn't mean he wasn't a great man too. Like Alexander the Great or Lawrence of Arabia. Not morally excellent, but still remarkable.

no. just ****ing no

Rossticus said:

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Pretty sure posting a pic of a giant **** will get you a ban.

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This isn't old Twitter.

TresPuertas said:

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no. just ****ing no

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Lol like admiring certain qualities in Mussolini is substantially different than Alexander the Great or Julius Caesar. You have no good reason to be fine with one and horrified by the other.

ViceroyEschaton said:

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TresPuertas said:

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no. just ****ing no

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Lol like admiring certain qualities in Mussolini is substantially different than Alexander the Great or Julius Caesar. You have no good reason to be fine with one and horrified by the other.

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Some people are able to analytically observe traits that led to certain results without finding themselves in admiration. To each their own.

So me saying that Mussolini was a superb orator is true but...? Bad to say?

No. I didn't say it was bad to say that someone is good at something. I said that some people can recognize that someone is good at something without specifically admiring that person for it. That's all.

Rossticus said:

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No. I didn't say it was bad to say that someone is good at something. I said that some people can recognize that someone is good at something without specifically admiring that person for it. That's all.

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Yeah, so Mussolini had some good ideas and some really excellent abilities. He was successful for a reason. Not sure why there's any fuss about that.

ViceroyEschaton said:

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Rossticus said:

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No. I didn't say it was bad to say that someone is good at something. I said that some people can recognize that someone is good at something without specifically admiring that person for it. That's all.

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Yeah, so Mussolini had some good ideas and some really excellent abilities. He was successful for a reason. Not sure why there's any fuss about that.

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Methodology and execution. And depending on which of his ideas you're considering, you might encounter disagreement as to whether or not they were really good.

And I'd also counter that if your methods result in deconstruction of your accomplishments and personal execution, your degree of success is debatable since everything fell apart rather quickly. If you want to break things down into individual successes within discrete units of time then that's different.

Just alternate angles of view, I suppose.

" The fate of nations is intimately bound up with their powers of reproduction. All nations and all empires first felt decadence gnawing at them when their birth rate fell off."

-Mussolini

ViceroyEschaton said:

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So me saying that Mussolini was a superb orator is true but...? Bad to say?

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Not only that, but he spoke fluent English, French, and German as well. But yeah, **** that guy.

An L of an Ag said:

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ViceroyEschaton said:

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So me saying that Mussolini was a superb orator is true but...? Bad to say?

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Not only that, but he spoke fluent English, French, and German as well. But yeah, **** that guy.

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Most euros speak several languages. He wasn't exceptional in that regard. Just… average.

ViceroyEschaton said:

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TresPuertas said:

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no. just ****ing no

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Lol like admiring certain qualities in Mussolini is substantially different than Alexander the Great or Julius Caesar. You have no good reason to be fine with one and horrified by the other.

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This. Could throw in Ghenghis Khan as well. He was a genocidal warlord but still had some impressive qualities and was a fascinating individual and cool to read about.