While I recognize there is a thread about the ukr/rus war, this is an interesting topic that shouldn't get shuffled in the hundreds of pages.

I have already stated that polish folk hold just as much, if not more, animosity toward Ukrainians as they do Russians. That being said the Ukrainians in the western provinces deify Stepan Bandera, nazi collaborator and ethnic cleanser of poles. Poland may use this invasion as a premise to recapture Lviv which was founded by the Proto-poles and taken by the USSR and apportioned to Ukraine during the collapse.

Lviv is the 6th largest city of modern Ukraine and would be a return to its rightful owner....especially if the rightful owner shows up with its military.

Many ukr supporters cant fathom this because "what is Ukraine's must always be Ukraine's forever and ever amen" but poland would simply back channel russia saying its moving into lviv within a week of the peace deal that will split ukr in two. Poland would then back channel NATO into acknowledging that Lviv would be strategically better under polish control. And who could argue against that? Ukr wouldnt have the military up to the strength of poland and it gives the west a reasonable foothold into the geography ahead of ukr admission into NATO...however if the russian deal gets ukr to promise neutrality, a Polish Lviv might be the only option for NATO to move east.

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While I recognize there is a thread about the ukr/rus war, this is an interesting topic that shouldn't get shuffled in the hundreds of pages.

I have already stated that polish folk hold just as much, if not more, animosity toward Ukrainians as they do Russians. That being said the Ukrainians in the western provinces deify Stepan Bandera, nazi collaborator and ethnic cleanser of poles. Poland may use this invasion as a premise to recapture Lviv which was founded by the Proto-poles and taken by the USSR and apportioned to Ukraine during the collapse.

Lviv is the 6th largest city of modern Ukraine and would be a return to its rightful owner....especially if the rightful owner shows up with its military.

Many ukr supporters cant fathom this because "what is Ukraine's must always be Ukraine's forever and ever amen" but poland would simply back channel russia saying its moving into lviv within a week of the peace deal that will split ukr in two. Poland would then back channel NATO into acknowledging that Lviv would be strategically better under polish control. And who could argue against that? Ukr wouldnt have the military up to the strength of poland and it gives the west a reasonable foothold into the geography ahead of ukr admission into NATO...however if the russian deal gets ukr to promise neutrality, a Polish Lviv might be the only option for NATO to move east.

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You sound like Biden. Wasn't he the one that proposed the 3 State solution for Iraq?!

Your solution is to carve Ukraine into multiple pieces and hand them out in the name of peace?!

You never have to check in with the Russian MOD or any of the GRU's influence operations on various internet forums to know what the active measures folks have going on for the day. You can come here to old Texags and The Debt will deliver the Russian propaganda straight from the horse's mouth in its original English translation.

Not happening

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While I recognize there is a thread about the ukr/rus war, this is an interesting topic that shouldn't get shuffled in the hundreds of pages.

I have already stated that polish folk hold just as much, if not more, animosity toward Ukrainians as they do Russians. That being said the Ukrainians in the western provinces deify Stepan Bandera, nazi collaborator and ethnic cleanser of poles. Poland may use this invasion as a premise to recapture Lviv which was founded by the Proto-poles and taken by the USSR and apportioned to Ukraine during the collapse.

Lviv is the 6th largest city of modern Ukraine and would be a return to its rightful owner....especially if the rightful owner shows up with its military.

Many ukr supporters cant fathom this because "what is Ukraine's must always be Ukraine's forever and ever amen" but poland would simply back channel russia saying its moving into lviv within a week of the peace deal that will split ukr in two. Poland would then back channel NATO into acknowledging that Lviv would be strategically better under polish control. And who could argue against that? Ukr wouldnt have the military up to the strength of poland and it gives the west a reasonable foothold into the geography ahead of ukr admission into NATO...however if the russian deal gets ukr to promise neutrality, a Polish Lviv might be the only option for NATO to move east.

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How do you get your talking points?

It's his solution because that's literally what Kremlin propaganda has started proposing recently on Russian TV. I posted it on the other thread. Too hilarious that Debtski Pekerov would start a thread trying to pump it.

Russia will get nothing and like it.

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It's his solution because that's literally what Kremlin propaganda has started proposing recently on Russian TV. I posted it on the other thread. Too hilarious that Debtski Pekerov would start a thread trying to pump it.

Russia will get nothing and like it.

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Love your Debtski.

He literally follows and reposts talking points from Russian TV. I don't know if he gets them directly from there or if they're filtered through some asinine forum or Twitter feed first but he's always right on schedule.

This is Russian propaganda to prevent Ukraine inviting Polish troops to join in their defense.

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Rossticus said:

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It's his solution because that's literally what Kremlin propaganda has started proposing recently on Russian TV. I posted it on the other thread. Too hilarious that Debtski Pekerov would start a thread trying to pump it.

Russia will get nothing and like it.

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Love your Debtski.

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NATO doesn't need to move east.

Hope that helps, comrade.

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The Debt said:

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While I recognize there is a thread about the ukr/rus war, this is an interesting topic that shouldn't get shuffled in the hundreds of pages.

I have already stated that polish folk hold just as much, if not more, animosity toward Ukrainians as they do Russians. That being said the Ukrainians in the western provinces deify Stepan Bandera, nazi collaborator and ethnic cleanser of poles. Poland may use this invasion as a premise to recapture Lviv which was founded by the Proto-poles and taken by the USSR and apportioned to Ukraine during the collapse.

Lviv is the 6th largest city of modern Ukraine and would be a return to its rightful owner....especially if the rightful owner shows up with its military.

Many ukr supporters cant fathom this because "what is Ukraine's must always be Ukraine's forever and ever amen" but poland would simply back channel russia saying its moving into lviv within a week of the peace deal that will split ukr in two. Poland would then back channel NATO into acknowledging that Lviv would be strategically better under polish control. And who could argue against that? Ukr wouldnt have the military up to the strength of poland and it gives the west a reasonable foothold into the geography ahead of ukr admission into NATO...however if the russian deal gets ukr to promise neutrality, a Polish Lviv might be the only option for NATO to move east.

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You sound like Biden. Wasn't he the one that proposed the 3 State solution for Iraq?!

Your solution is to carve Ukraine into multiple pieces and hand them out in the name of peace?!

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Making three independent nations out of one is much different than what is effectively partitioning Ukraine to two countries (as in the op) and leaving a rump state.

"All I want is peace!"

"A little piece of Poland, a little piece of Russia …"

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You sound like Biden. Wasn't he the one that proposed the 3 State solution for Iraq?!

Your solution is to carve Ukraine into multiple pieces and hand them out in the name of peace?!

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It's not my solution, it is a likely scenario given what Russia is doing. Supposedly russia has started hitting western Ukraine's train junctions and bridges removing the connections to eastern ukraine. Russia isnt going to cede back lands to Ukraine. Ukraine will not be whole again. Accept it. Move on. The question is what will Ukraine look like in 2023.

Rand Paul held blinkens feet to the fire this week when blinken all but admitted the WH may have to accept a neutral Ukraine, which was an option back in December.

If things shape up with a neutral (NATO-free) Ukraine, Lviv not being ukrainian would work around this.

I know many of you are allergic to the thought of Ukraine losing, but its gonna happen no matter how hard you change your FB profile.

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He literally follows and reposts talking points from Russian TV. I don't know if he gets them directly from there or if they're filtered through some asinine forum or Twitter feed first but he's always right on schedule.

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If only we had your addiction to twitter ms maddow.

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I know many of you are allergic to the thought of Ukraine losing, but its gonna happen no matter how hard you change your FB profile.

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Bookmarked.

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Rossticus said:

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He literally follows and reposts talking points from Russian TV. I don't know if he gets them directly from there or if they're filtered through some asinine forum or Twitter feed first but he's always right on schedule.

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If only we had your addiction to twitter ms maddow.

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Hell, Maddow has more hair on her(?) chest than most of what's left of Russia's army. I'm anxious to see what 100,000 fighting 15 year olds with two months of training look like in the field. We'll find out soon enough Debtzki. Soon enough.

It is just a feint

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How do you get your talking points?

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Identify anything in the OP that is a "talking point" rather than a hypothetical discussion.

Ffs many of the posters on this board were convinced Russia's oil and supply lines were so bad they wouldnt last past the 2nd Sunday...many of you were convinced that Ukraine was retaking cities despite Russians redeploying forces for phase 2...many of you are convinced that Ukraine will force russia back....these are talking points.

I'm having a discussion. But the majority on this board arent interested in discussion because discussion is wrong. There is only one acceptable outcome possible....and its Ukraine winning and Putin's head on a proverbial spike. (Neither of which will come to fruition.)

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How do you get your talking points?

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Identify anything in the OP that is a "talking point" rather than a hypothetical discussion.

Ffs many of the posters on this board were convinced Russia's oil and supply lines were so bad they wouldnt last past the 2nd Sunday...many of you were convinced that Ukraine was retaking cities despite Russians redeploying forces for phase 2...many of you are convinced that Ukraine will force russia back....these are talking points.

I'm having a discussion. But the majority on this board arent interested in discussion because discussion is wrong. There is only one acceptable outcome possible....and its Ukraine winning and Putin's head on a proverbial spike. (Neither of which will come to fruition.)

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No. It's just because your points of discussion are, coincidentally, the the ones released by Russian state media. I'm not saying that to clown on you. I'm saying it because it's factual. Maybe you just independently think a lot like the Russian government. It's possible. I'm not accusing you of anything. I'm just asking questions.

I learned of Bandera from Polish nationals here in the US. I have followed Ukraine since my 20s because one of my college neighbors was Russian ukrainian. He wears the same ring that many of you do. That being said, the monolithic thought on this board is tiresome.

America can assassinate and coup and invade whatever she likes, kill a quarter million people in the name of the GWOT, yet has the audacity to be indignant over any country that does a fraction of the misery. And the american public perpetuate this indignation with a "how dare they"

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I learned of Bandera from Polish nationals here in the US. I have followed Ukraine since my 20s because one of my college neighbors was Russian ukrainian. He wears the same ring that many of you do. That being said, the monolithic thought on this board is tiresome.

America can assassinate and coup and invade whatever she likes, kill a quarter million people in the name of the GWOT, yet has the audacity to be indignant over any country that does a fraction of the misery. And the american public perpetuate this indignation with a "how dare they"

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Seems like a personal problem.

Any Russian victory will be Pyrrhic …hitler was right about them he was just 80 years too early

Tell me you are a Russian active measure without telling me you're a Russian active measure.

Before this I thought the Debt was a contrarian or maybe some hardcore isolationist. Well not anymore!

Complete hogwash.

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I learned of Bandera from Polish nationals here in the US. I have followed Ukraine since my 20s because one of my college neighbors was Russian ukrainian. He wears the same ring that many of you do. That being said, the monolithic thought on this board is tiresome.

America can assassinate and coup and invade whatever she likes, kill a quarter million people in the name of the GWOT, yet has the audacity to be indignant over any country that does a fraction of the misery. And the american public perpetuate this indignation with a "how dare they"

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Yeah, don't start a land war in Europe. Not going to work out well.

Ha ha. Facebook profile smack. That's deep.

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I learned of Bandera from Polish nationals here in the US. I have followed Ukraine since my 20s because one of my college neighbors was Russian ukrainian. He wears the same ring that many of you do. That being said, the monolithic thought on this board is tiresome.

America can assassinate and coup and invade whatever she likes, kill a quarter million people in the name of the GWOT, yet has the audacity to be indignant over any country that does a fraction of the misery. And the american public perpetuate this indignation with a "how dare they"

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Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

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NATO doesn't need to move east.

Hope that helps, comrade.

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Well, they may not but Russia sure has a way of motivating

These alt-right Russia fanbois are almost as stupid as the far-left socialists. And they're rapidly gaining on them.

I think they're too stupid to realize the damage they're doing to their "movement" by getting in bed with Russian propagandists.

I am surprised enough people don't have this shill unblocked to actually create a thread.

Sometimes I don't have time to go find out what Russia is thinking. I can always rely on my pal Debtzki Pekerov to let me know.

I might be tempted to support this. But only if Russia would agree to return Kaliningrad (aka Koenigsburg) and the rest of East Prussia (or at least those parts currently controlled by Russia and Belarus) to Germany.

I don't think there are many, if any, ethnic Poles living in Lviv or any of the other areas that were eastern Poland before WWII. Stalin wouldn't have wanted ethnic Poles living in those areas any more than the Poles wanted ethnic Germans in Silesia and Pomerania.

People forget (or never learned) how much of what we now call ethnic cleansing went on in Europe after WWII. It gets, at best, glossed over in most history books because most of it involved removal of ethnic Germans into the new, smaller Germany. But ethnic minorities all over the continent were driven out and the countries that emerged were much more ethnically homogenous than before.

(For more in depth reading, I recommend Savage Continent by Keith Lowe. Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin by Timothy Snyder is also very good.)

Oh hey look it's Neville Chamberlain back from the dead.