Carlo4 said:

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BlueTaze said:

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Bill shorted Tesla on basis that 18-wheelers would never be electric. Musk took that personal.

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I just love the fact that Bill claims to want to save the planet but let's short a company providing electric vehicles.

What a miserable POS. No wonder he's friends with Epstein.

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Bill knows that electric vehicles are not going to save the planet.

BuddysBud said:

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Carlo4 said:

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BlueTaze said:

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Bill shorted Tesla on basis that 18-wheelers would never be electric. Musk took that personal.

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I just love the fact that Bill claims to want to save the planet but let's short a company providing electric vehicles.

What a miserable POS. No wonder he's friends with Epstein.

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Bill knows that electric vehicles are not going to save the planet.

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He knows the planet doesn't need saving in the first place. Just like Obama with his two ocean-front mansions.

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So if Gates has a half billion short position, couldn't Elon drive the price up to make him lose money?

Or would that only be if Gates had to sell?

I would assume Gates is sitting on a half billion at under current price and waiting to dump it when it hits that price?

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I thought short positions had time time limits.

richardag said:

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aggiez03 said:

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So if Gates has a half billion short position, couldn't Elon drive the price up to make him lose money?

Or would that only be if Gates had to sell?

I would assume Gates is sitting on a half billion at under current price and waiting to dump it when it hits that price?

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I thought short positions had time time limits.

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No. You are charged interest to keep them open. At some point it becomes cost prohibitive to keep them open. Remember as a short seller, you are borrowing the stock first.

aggiebrad94 said:

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richardag said:

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aggiez03 said:

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So if Gates has a half billion short position, couldn't Elon drive the price up to make him lose money?

Or would that only be if Gates had to sell?

I would assume Gates is sitting on a half billion at under current price and waiting to dump it when it hits that price?

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I thought short positions had time time limits.

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No. You are charged interest to keep them open. At some point it becomes cost prohibitive to keep them open. Remember as a short seller, you are borrowing the stock first.

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Thanks for the response and information.

Gates has that groomer physiognomy

Carlo4 said:

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BlueTaze said:

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Bill shorted Tesla on basis that 18-wheelers would never be electric. Musk took that personal.

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I just love the fact that Bill claims to want to save the planet but let's short a company providing electric vehicles.

What a miserable POS. No wonder he's friends with Epstein.

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Batteries are bad for the planet compared to gasoline. So at least he's accidental consistent.

You very rarely hear about short positions before they play out. It's usually a genius or disastrous trade story after a big directional move.

Bill has 3 options, all make him look bad:
1) cover now for presumably a loss and save face on his climate change virtue signaling
2) be forced to cover later at bigger loss making him look like an idiot
3) hold out for profitable exit and look like a greedy billionaire hypocrit

BlueTaze said:

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You very rarely hear about short positions before they play out. It's usually a genius or disastrous trade story after a big directional move.

Bill has 3 options, all make him look bad:
1) cover now for presumably a loss and save face on his climate change virtue signaling
2) be forced to cover later at bigger loss making him look like an idiot
3) hold out for profitable exit and look like a greedy billionaire hypocrit

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I wonder if Reddit's r/wallstreetbets has any interest in buying up shares of $TSLA.
Sounds like something they would do, if only to stick it to Bill Gates.

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in case u need to lose a boner fast pic.twitter.com/fcHiaXKCJi

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 23, 2022

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Gates is getting the Trump "look" down pat. I bet he could get an old lady like Melania, if he cared about that sort of thing.

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Epstein evidently had a pretty good idea of his preferences. Melinda Gates could likely confirm. If only Epstein's buyers would be prosecuted.

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normaleagle05 said:

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I don't know if Elon Musk is the Bruce Wayne we wanted/needed/deserved/whatever. He's the one we got and I'm totally fine with it.

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He is amusing. Little disappointed he's bought into the climate change crap but think we knew that.

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His stance on climate change is far from lefty. Not a denier by any stretch, but he has said multiple times he thinks these panic-inducing timelines are just not accurate.

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Good.

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I don't know if Elon Musk is the Bruce Wayne we wanted/needed/deserved/whatever. He's the one we got and I'm totally fine with it.

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Carlo4 said:

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BlueTaze said:

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Bill shorted Tesla on basis that 18-wheelers would never be electric. Musk took that personal.

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I just love the fact that Bill claims to want to save the planet but let's short a company providing electric vehicles.

What a miserable POS. No wonder he's friends with Epstein.

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Maybe he knows that literal TONS of rare earth materials go into producing just a single EV battery? That electric cars are anything but green. That pristine environments around the globe are literally being destroyed to mine for these materials.

Doubt it, like almost everyone, he probably truly thinks EV cars are green.

To manufacture each EV car battery, you must process:

Yeah, billionaires don't like stuff like that.
Ask Cube.

richardag said:

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aggiebrad94 said:

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richardag said:

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aggiez03 said:

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So if Gates has a half billion short position, couldn't Elon drive the price up to make him lose money?

Or would that only be if Gates had to sell?

I would assume Gates is sitting on a half billion at under current price and waiting to dump it when it hits that price?

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I thought short positions had time time limits.

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No. You are charged interest to keep them open. At some point it becomes cost prohibitive to keep them open. Remember as a short seller, you are borrowing the stock first.

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Thanks for the response and information.

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Probably not the smartest way, but I think of it like it's insurance. It's the premium you pay at regular intervals to protect you in case something goes wrong. Except you win much bigger if you are right.

Question about shorting: If you're the stock owner who lent the shares to someone else to short, is there no recourse or mechanism to say "you've borrowed my shares long enough, close out and return them?"

Originally I was completely behind Elon on this one but have come around to Bill's POV as well. Who cares if it is an ESG company, does that make it off limits to short if he considers it overvalued? Getting tired of the special status ESG is getting and some of the blowback it creates.

Bill's problem is that he is shorting a company that implicitly provides the philanthropy funds he is asking for so of course that creates a conflict.

I'd bet Gates has a lot of short positions. I'm not even sure how involved he would be in them. My guess is he may hand pick a few investments to help support some cause, but the vast bulk of his wealth is managed by professionals who aren't making decisions based in their personal view of Tesla…all about the numbers.

Boo Weekley said:

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Carlo4 said:

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BlueTaze said:

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Bill shorted Tesla on basis that 18-wheelers would never be electric. Musk took that personal.

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I just love the fact that Bill claims to want to save the planet but let's short a company providing electric vehicles.

What a miserable POS. No wonder he's friends with Epstein.

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Maybe he knows that literal TONS of rare earth materials go into producing just a single EV battery? That electric cars are anything but green. That pristine environments around the globe are literally being destroyed to mine for these materials.

Doubt it, like almost everyone, he probably truly thinks EV cars are green.

To manufacture each EV car battery, you must process:

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Got a source for those numbers? That's seems ridiculous, and I have a hard time believing someone (not you) that can't spell "digging."

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Question about shorting: If you're the stock owner who lent the shares to someone else to short, is there no recourse or mechanism to say "you've borrowed my shares long enough, close out and return them?"

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I don't think there are actual shares that are lent when shorting. In fact, more shares can be lent than actually exist. So it is a theoretical "lend". People are just speculating. It's when you find there are more shares lent than actually exist that you can do damage, because then the stock price goes up because people know these shorters are eventually going to have to buy them back. I think that is what happened with GME, but people with more knowledge should correct me because I'm not overly familiar with it.

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in case u need to lose a boner fast pic.twitter.com/fcHiaXKCJi

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 23, 2022

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The balls on this guy.. Man Crush

annie88 said:

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normaleagle05 said:

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I don't know if Elon Musk is the Bruce Wayne we wanted/needed/deserved/whatever. He's the one we got and I'm totally fine with it.

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He is amusing. Little disappointed he's bought into the climate change crap but think we knew that.

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Climate change is pushing ev cars
That makes him money

Gates is a Chinese communist lover. Did Gates sleep with Hillary, the reason for his condition??

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annie88 said:

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normaleagle05 said:

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I don't know if Elon Musk is the Bruce Wayne we wanted/needed/deserved/whatever. He's the one we got and I'm totally fine with it.

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He is amusing. Little disappointed he's bought into the climate change crap but think we knew that.

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Climate change is pushing ev cars
That makes him money

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FIFY:

A delusional belief in man made climate change is pushing ev cars which aren't actually very good for the environment
That makes him money