The Debt said:

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Do you deny that Kiev was building up troops to roll into Luhansk and Donetsk?

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How does one "roll into" a city that is your own city? Does the fact that Washington DC "rolls" tanks into Fort Hood give Mexico the right to invade the US? Hell no.

And us invading Iraq was not unprovoked. The British invading Germany in 1945 is NOT the same as Germany invading Poland.

It should not be that hard of a concept for people to understand.

aTmAg said:

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The Debt said:

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BusterAg said:

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The Ukrainian citizens and army are fighting like lions for their freedom.

Honestly, IDGAF about the overall global Who is getting richer than Who part of the discussion.

I honestly don't think that the people of Ukraine, the ones fighting this war, should be mentioned in the same sentence as Hunter Biden.

Ukraine citizens are not any less responsible for the corruption of their government than you are for the bull**** that is the Biden administration.

Standing up for America is not standing up for the cesspool that is Washington DC.

You keep trying to tie this conflict back to Ukraine corruption, but the war and the corruption are not the same.

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See there is the critical theory in play. Because you see them as oppressed their war efforts no matter how despicable are justified. My polish friend hates Ukrainians and says they are worse than Russians. When you ask him about holodomor he quickly reminds you that Stalin, other than being godless commie and legit psychopath, was a Georgian, not a Russian.

Ukrainians are renown for backstabbing politically and not to mention nazi-adjacent. I mentioned Stepan Banderas name and it's like I mentioned some rapist that assaulted his daughter.

My point is that if NATO didnt have invested interest in Ukraine (biden crime family et al) would we really have the same moral outrage? Probably not. Eastern and southern europe are just cesspools of murderers and poverty.

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This is nonsense. 99.99999% of Americans (and people throughout the world) have no invested interest in Ukraine. Yet the vast majority of Americans are on Ukraine's side. That is because Russia INVADED Ukraine, and we recognize the obvious fact that such aggression is evil. The same is true with Kuwait. Hell we were on Saddam's side prior to that. But when you invade somebody for no good reason, then good people tend to hate you (and rightfully so).

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It makes one wonder how may of the Americans who aren't in Ukraine's side were either chanting "Putin! Putin! Putin!" at the other version of CPAC a couple of months ago, or were supportive of those who did.

How any American can side with Putin with his invasion into Ukraine, or at least not be against what he's doing, is beyond me.

No Spin Ag said:

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aTmAg said:

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The Debt said:

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BusterAg said:

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The Ukrainian citizens and army are fighting like lions for their freedom.

Honestly, IDGAF about the overall global Who is getting richer than Who part of the discussion.

I honestly don't think that the people of Ukraine, the ones fighting this war, should be mentioned in the same sentence as Hunter Biden.

Ukraine citizens are not any less responsible for the corruption of their government than you are for the bull**** that is the Biden administration.

Standing up for America is not standing up for the cesspool that is Washington DC.

You keep trying to tie this conflict back to Ukraine corruption, but the war and the corruption are not the same.

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See there is the critical theory in play. Because you see them as oppressed their war efforts no matter how despicable are justified. My polish friend hates Ukrainians and says they are worse than Russians. When you ask him about holodomor he quickly reminds you that Stalin, other than being godless commie and legit psychopath, was a Georgian, not a Russian.

Ukrainians are renown for backstabbing politically and not to mention nazi-adjacent. I mentioned Stepan Banderas name and it's like I mentioned some rapist that assaulted his daughter.

My point is that if NATO didnt have invested interest in Ukraine (biden crime family et al) would we really have the same moral outrage? Probably not. Eastern and southern europe are just cesspools of murderers and poverty.

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This is nonsense. 99.99999% of Americans (and people throughout the world) have no invested interest in Ukraine. Yet the vast majority of Americans are on Ukraine's side. That is because Russia INVADED Ukraine, and we recognize the obvious fact that such aggression is evil. The same is true with Kuwait. Hell we were on Saddam's side prior to that. But when you invade somebody for no good reason, then good people tend to hate you (and rightfully so).

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It makes one wonder how may of the Americans who aren't in Ukraine's side were either chanting "Putin! Putin! Putin!" at the other version of CPAC a couple of months ago, or were supportive of those who did.

How any American can side with Putin with his invasion into Ukraine, or at least not be against what he's doing, is beyond me.

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That is a total embarrassment for CPAC and conservatives everywhere. That's is literally like people chanting Hitler, AFTER HE INVADED POLAND. How can anybody be that stupid?

aTmAg said:

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The Debt said:

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Do you deny that Kiev was building up troops to roll into Luhansk and Donetsk?

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How does one "roll into" a city that is your own city? Does the fact that Washington DC "rolls" tanks into Fort Hood give Mexico the right to invade the US? Hell no.

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The proper equivalent would be if the Mexican government started training and arming cartel insurgents to commit terrorism in Texas while funding separatist political parties of Mexican heritage and the US federalized the National Guard and "rolled in" to Texas to stop it.

ETA And "historical" borders be damned, the border now is the ****ing border. End of story. If you're the one trying to move it and the land wasn't forcibly taken in your lifetime, you're the ***hole.

That is a better analogy.

The Debt said:

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BusterAg said:

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The Ukrainian citizens and army are fighting like lions for their freedom.

Honestly, IDGAF about the overall global Who is getting richer than Who part of the discussion.

I honestly don't think that the people of Ukraine, the ones fighting this war, should be mentioned in the same sentence as Hunter Biden.

Ukraine citizens are not any less responsible for the corruption of their government than you are for the bull**** that is the Biden administration.

Standing up for America is not standing up for the cesspool that is Washington DC.

You keep trying to tie this conflict back to Ukraine corruption, but the war and the corruption are not the same.

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See there is the critical theory in play. 1) Because you see them as oppressed their war efforts no matter how despicable are justified. My polish friend hates Ukrainians and says they are worse than Russians. 2) When you ask him about holodomor he quickly reminds you that Stalin, other than being godless commie and legit psychopath, was a Georgian, not a Russian.

3) Ukrainians are renown for backstabbing politically and not to mention nazi-adjacent. I mentioned Stepan Banderas name and it's like I mentioned some rapist that assaulted his daughter.

4) My point is that if NATO didnt have invested interest in Ukraine (biden crime family et al) would we really have the same moral outrage? Probably not. Eastern and southern europe are just cesspools of murderers and poverty.

And rereading your post I would like to comment on your last line. If you recall, Putin made his case to the Ukrainian people (and soldiers) that he intends them no harm or ill will but these action are for "political change." 5) So he intended to inact political regime change, civilian infrastructure and groceries continued to flow. Mayors that found RUS battalions at their gates would allow Russians to search for weapons and then return the town and policing back to the mayors.

They are not garrisoning troops as occupiers...that doesnt achieve the political ends.

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I see we are finally getting to the truth of the matter / bias.

1) Nope. If they were raping young girls or invaders, I would be appalled.

2) Hitler was part Jewish. Does that matter at all?

3) Name calling again. I'm glad Russia is coming in to De-nazify Ukraine. You too? Didn't Poland have some Nazi sympathizers?

4) The cynical truth is, Ukraine has very important natural resources that are needed by NATO countries, including food and oil. The other issue is that Russia is invading another country. It's not like Kuwait had a golden humanitarian record. But, they had oil. There hasn't been a large-scale country-wide occupation of another country attempted since Sadaam got his ass kicked.

5) It is obvious as hell that the Ukrainian people did not want this. If they did, Putin's first plan would have worked. It didn't. Putin came face to face with a country that was not going to back down. Without almost unanimous support to fight the war against Russia, Ukraine would have fallen a month ago.

If they wanted to cut them off then should have done so during the winter when energy demand peaks. If they cut it off now the general populace just throws a few logs on a fireplace. During the summer, just open a few windows. I realize gas is used for more than just household heat but it will be much more feasible to supplement during the summer.

The Debt said:

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BusterAg said:

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The Ukrainian citizens and army are fighting like lions for their freedom.

Honestly, IDGAF about the overall global Who is getting richer than Who part of the discussion.

I honestly don't think that the people of Ukraine, the ones fighting this war, should be mentioned in the same sentence as Hunter Biden.

Ukraine citizens are not any less responsible for the corruption of their government than you are for the bull**** that is the Biden administration.

Standing up for America is not standing up for the cesspool that is Washington DC.

You keep trying to tie this conflict back to Ukraine corruption, but the war and the corruption are not the same.

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See there is the critical theory in play. Because you see them as oppressed their war efforts no matter how despicable are justified. My polish friend hates Ukrainians and says they are worse than Russians. When you ask him about holodomor he quickly reminds you that Stalin, other than being godless commie and legit psychopath, was a Georgian, not a Russian.

Ukrainians are renown for backstabbing politically and not to mention nazi-adjacent. I mentioned Stepan Banderas name and it's like I mentioned some rapist that assaulted his daughter.

My point is that if NATO didnt have invested interest in Ukraine (biden crime family et al) would we really have the same moral outrage? Probably not. Eastern and southern europe are just cesspools of murderers and poverty.

And rereading your post I would like to comment on your last line. If you recall, Putin made his case to the Ukrainian people (and soldiers) that he intends them no harm or ill will but these action are for "political change." So he intended to inact political regime change, civilian infrastructure and groceries continued to flow. Mayors that found RUS battalions at their gates would allow Russians to search for weapons and then return the town and policing back to the mayors.

They are not garrisoning troops as occupiers...that doesnt achieve the political ends.

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Of course everyone sees them as "oppressed," Russia is invading their country. It's absolutely incredible someone can be this stupid.

Also, Putin may want to go easy on the raping and murdering of civilians if he "intends them no harm or ill will."